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Vapourstreak 2008-04-06 23:36

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
better screen anyone? 16mil colours?

also heard many complaints about the lag in the OS2008 UI. i think ill wait for the OS2009 with the new tablet. im in the process of creating a mockup of what i really want it to be, including hte internals. ill be considering the cost of manufacturing too, os it wont exceed $500 - $550.

any other ideas?

Vapourstreak 2008-04-07 00:35

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
screw it. to hard. any other predictions?

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-07 00:41

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapourstreak (Post 165980)
also heard many complaints about the lag in the OS2008 UI.

Overblown.

The N800 at $200 is a crazy-good deal. Personally, I'd get the N800 now rather than wait out the N900 (there's no way they're gonna go over $500).

mikedep333 2008-04-07 01:38

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
Keep in mind, they may deliver two products like they have the with the 800 series now. I wouldn't be surprised if they released a 900 for $300-$350 without GPS and a keyboard, and a 910 with those for $400-$500

TTgowings 2008-04-07 02:07

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Would it seriously be that out of the box that the next NIT should have 802.11 N capabilites, it would seem a broader audience and a much larger playin field with N since they've now all agreed on the N format ? At this point Ii'd rather have N compliancy the WIMAX.

I'mjust really hoping for some sort of major hardware and usabiiliy much better, like putting the D-pad and "other" buttons (back) on the front facia an not hidden away when the keyboard is away.

jzencovich 2008-04-07 02:16

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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is where does the next device in the series fit in Nokia's master plan?

Step 3 of 5 was the 810. WiMax can be assumed to have been step 4 of 5, but Nokia has been mum on this (from what I recall).

So will the next device be step 4 of 5 (meaning n810 WiMax flavour is insignificant).

OR

The next device will be step 5 of 5. That means that the next device will be quite significant. I would go as far as saying the most important tablet in the family, as it is Nokia's vision realized (or as close to it as possible). It will be a great device to say the least. I'll leave detail speculation to my fellow iTT colleagues.

Ok nothing exactly new up until now. But what about the future? What happens after step 5 of 5?

- Will Nokia cut it's loses and declare the iT an interesting project and close it down?
- Will Nokia declare the iT project an outstanding success and push it into the mainstream?
- Will Nokia continue to keep us in the dark?
- Will Nokia completely open up the platform (hard/soft/both) and really use/allow the community to push the iT forward?
- Will Nokia close the iT project, call it a success, and merge it with an existing product? (think N96+iT in one. N100: 500$)
- Move on to step 6 out of 10?

Some interesting open-ended questions that come to mind.

Vapourstreak 2008-04-07 02:45

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 165987)
Overblown.

The N800 at $200 is a crazy-good deal. Personally, I'd get the N800 now rather than wait out the N900 (there's no way they're gonna go over $500).



i dont want a N800 because it seems so cheap. i need a more high-end device because it will have to last and be supported for a long time.

brontide 2008-04-07 02:56

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
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Originally Posted by Vapourstreak (Post 166026)
i dont want a N800 because it seems so cheap. i need a more high-end device because it will have to last and be supported for a long time.

You want a device that doesn't exist. Get over it. The utility of the n800 does not change based on it's price.

jzencovich 2008-04-07 03:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapourstreak (Post 166026)
i dont want a N800 because it seems so cheap. i need a more high-end device because it will have to last and be supported for a long time.

Perhaps, but consider this. I've had my N800 for a good year. It's served me well, and will continue to serve me for the next year to come. The n810 has few advantages worth it to upgrade. GPS? Don't really need it. Hardware keyboard? I type fast with stylus (nearly as fast as keyboard). light up keys? right...

Less than a week ago I finally upgraded to OS2008, and my N800 is like a new device (gmail is fast again!). Nokia really nailed it with the N800, so I see the need to upgrade to a "better" or "high-end" device. The fact that you can grab an 800 for 200 is really marvelous, I would go for it. You won't be disappointed. When OS2009 comes out, you will probably be able to upgrade to it and your n800 will continue to be "worth-it". But to each his own. If the n810 rolls you well, go for it. I might grab the future tablet, so if your patient and willing to wait, go for it.

Essentially I'm waiting for the next tablet, though I won't necessarily upgrade due to the N800's sheer head on the nail from Nokia.

Jon

Edit: Brontide, thanks for summarizing my entire post in one line. Before I posted :p

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-07 03:15

Re: 2009 Tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is where does the next device in the series fit in Nokia's master plan?

Step 1 is the 770
Step 2 is the N800
Step 3 is the N810
Step 4 is the N810W
Step 5 is the N900(?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
The next device will be step 5 of 5.

This is correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
That means that the next device will be quite significant. I would go as far as saying the most important tablet in the family, as it is Nokia's vision realized (or as close to it as possible).

I think the media-handling capabilities of the OMAP3 will go a really long way towards validating the N-series designation. Users wont have to think about what they can put on the device—they just take the media they have and use it. No hassle, no fuss.

The improvements in horsepower will really bring the whole mobile internet (especially with the proliferation of AJAX/Web 2.0 nonsense :p) that's not actually 'mobile' full circle. Really being about to chug through those heavy sites like you can on your desktop or laptop—but in your pocket!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
- Will Nokia cut it's loses and declare the iT an interesting project and close it down?

I do not see this happening.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
- Will Nokia declare the iT project an outstanding success and push it into the mainstream?

I guess it really depends on how step 5 goes, but it'll be interesting to see if the resources and development get ramped up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
- Will Nokia continue to keep us in the dark?

Yes. They're a consumer-oriented company—that's how consumer-oriented companies operate (something makes me think you're not an Apple user :p).

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzencovich (Post 166016)
- Will Nokia completely open up the platform (hard/soft/both) and really use/allow the community to push the iT forward?

Hardware, no, talk to TI and the rest about that. ;) TI does seem to be heading more in the open direction these days, but changes like that take time. In the short term, there's simply no viable completely-open substitute for OMAP for Nokia right now.

Now, software-side (particularly platform stuff) we are getting some traction getting stuff opened up (largely thanks to Ubuntu Mobile), and Quim has requested some requests from the community for what we'd like to see them focus on opening up (I've yet to see a real response to this request, though). While platform stuff I'm mostly optimistic about, the user-space stuff I wouldn't recommend holding any hope out for, but I'm not as concerned about this stuff as it tends not to impact developers as much.

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Originally Posted by TTgowings (Post 166013)
Would it seriously be that out of the box that the next NIT should have 802.11 N capabilites, it would seem a broader audience and a much larger playin field with N since they've now all agreed on the N format ?

Honestly, I think you're way overestimating the importance of N. We're not even getting close to maxing out G bandwidth-wise, so the real benefit might be in range (well, assuming they don't have some miraculous bus improvement), but I really haven't been all that impressed with the range improvements of the N devices that I've worked with so far and the NITs are the most sensitive (non-specialty) G devices I've ever used.

It's likely that the N900 will be N, though.


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