Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I've been getting some very useful tips from the internet tablet school but thought I'd come here and ask if anyone knows of any Image Editing software for the N800.

I bought mine new yesterday and it seems a really superb bit of kit.
However one of the things I'd like to do is to transfer a few selected photos when I'm away from home, using my Digital Camera. I can fetch them off the SD card but it seems the only thing the N800 will do is View them or set one as Background wallpaper.
Isn't there a cut-down version of Paintshop Pro or something that you can Crop, or better Re-size a photo for sending in email? An example would be a 1mg jpg resizing down to 75k and then attaching the result to an email.

I've searched for hours last night on the web trying to find a small (not memory hungry) image manipulator but to no avail.
I know images are memory hungry but the N800 seems to handle videos well, so it has a reasonably usable swap file.

I'd be very pleased if anyone can point me to some software. It doesn't have to be freebie, I'll pay for it.
Thanks
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Mirage might be your best bet. Go to http://maemo.org/ and look in the downloads area, either searching by name or looking under graphics... But first, have you updated to OS2008? I think the image editor that comes with it is much better than the 2007 one.

To upgrade to 2008 see
http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/200...verything.html

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Thank you very much for that. In fact your information is very advanced almost psychic, because I was just going to post that I've turned out to be a total dunce in that I found the Image Rotate Crop Resize functions in the normal Image Viewing window. (Yes I got the 2008 firmware downloaded within the first half day of using it)


Previously I hadn't investigated the icons at the bottom of the screen as they appeared to be greyed-out but they are just watery contrast and they are all the editing functions I require.
What a twerp I am ! I'll go and look at your advised software though as you never know what might come in handy to do some more advanced stuff than the basics.

My only gripe just now with it, is I can't get it to find any downloadable Extras it just sticks on 1kb and says there isn't any. I've got full connectivity through my home WiFi access Point. But none of the advertised things like Camera show up in the list of downladables. But that's another issue and I'm not hi-jacking this question to get more.

Thanks again very much for your help.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Re. downloading, just go to maemo.org in your N800's web browser, find the app you want, and click on the download arrow on its page, then click "open" rather than "save" when you're offered the choice.

The 800 feels halfway between a developer toy and a real consumer product to me - I found more than once that there are several ways of doing something, with one being better/easier than another.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I'm working on image editing software atm.

Not close to release yet, but who knows what the future holds.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Thanks everyone for this. I've placed a further question on the forum in another section because I can't make the N800 download/run the Skype installer. In fact I can't make it download anything since I updated to the 2008 firmware.

I can fetch the install file. I run it from the SD card or from Documents in the Appl Manager and it gets stuck Downloading 1kB and stays there until I cancel and it says the list wasnt updated. I tried fetching it on my PC instead, to see if that worked and I ported it over with the USB cable. Firstly a copy into SD mem card, and then tried one copy into Documents and it was a very small file less than a mb just a few k.
Again it won't run, it says in Appl Manager downloading 1kB and again gets stuck.
Right now I cant even find my way back to where the Version of the Software is listed so I'm in a hell of a mess. Can anyone tell me what to do about this please?
I've posted a question on the Skype pages since all their FAQ and support assumes you're having trouble with the Skype running. I can't even get it to install !
Help what's gone wrong here? :-((

Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Plado - have you tried going to Maemo.org and following my instructions with a coupe of simple apps?

Re. Skype, it isn't something I use but you might want to look at:

http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/200...l-and-use.html

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Yes my N800 is currently searching away on the web through my WiFi access in the same room as the PC I'm typing on.
It doesn't list the mirage in the 2008 firmware category, but I searched for mirage and it found it. But when I click the ICON to download mirage the Connecting window says Connecting and a blue progress bar dashes left and right and it clearly can't lock on to the file. I can download other software if I wanted to, as it goes to other bits of kit on that site and fetches other stuff. Is it just my luck that the ones I want, stall at the starting gate? I don't get this at all.
I'll just paste the URL again and it goes straight to Mirage Image Viewer and a green downward arrow shows Click to Install. Just done that again and it goes to the same state. Endless blue waggling rectangle doing a dance in the bottom right window. So far the online experience is only just above watching paint dry !!
Any suggestions?
Cheers
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I just installed Mirage with no speed problems whatsoever.

Perhaps your source of Wifi is the problem.

Edit: Actually, when I tried to get Mirage from the Maemo site I did have a problem; this was AFTER I had already downloaded and installed Mirage in what I consider the "normal way", which is to look in the installable apps in Application Manager.

Have you been to www.gronmayer.com/it/ yet? If you go there with your tablet, you can find programs to install without relying on the sometimes erratic Maemo site. Any repositories you install there will be reflected in your Application Manager Installable Programs list and will normally work fine.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I got mirage down via my Windows XP. Sent it to the N800 with USB. Tried to run it from Application Manager and it says
UNABLE TO INSTALL MIRAGE Incompatible application package. What?
I think it's an Application Manager Fault. I just went back to the Update firmware routine, having found the Version in Control Panel [About] it says, OS2008 version 2.2007.51-3
I tried to download it again and update it all. Procedure went normally but after Restore from SD Card to bring back all the settings, date, time documents and so on it said that the Application Manager needs updating.
So I asked it to do that. And here we go again the Update Process gets stuck on Downloading 1kB. How many days do you have to leave it to update its own Applications?
The situation is clearly quite crazy.

It's working in all other modes. But before I put it away for the day to prevent myself flushing the thing down the loo! I've tried to install the Skype again. Connecting ..........dancing blue line, whizzing for eternity. No go.
I give up unless someone has a brain-wave on this.
Thanks for all your time btw
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Thanks GENEVEN well I can't see how the connection is a problem since it's really fast loading web pages, fetching and sending email and the signal strength from my Linksys Wireless G is really strong. I'm only about 3 ft away from it.

There's no current issue with slowness of web or connection problems at my server. I'm using Broadband ADSL with Tiscali (Freedom2Surf) and it's just this Application manager that has the major problems and refuses to REFRESH itself.

I would normally expect a refresh to at least show the progress so you know when it will complete. But just stuck on 1kb is not right. Also I am suspicious of installation programs that are under 1kb in size, they must be links to an online installation and that is surely subject to the risk of interruption.
I don't like that way of installing at all. It's not the way Windows does it.
What do you think?

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I don't think it's an Application Manager problem. I think it's a problem with the version of Mirage you got from the Maemo site. I had a similar problem a few minutes ago, but I had no problem using the repository from the Gronmayer site I mention.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I think we're clutching at straws here.
The version I picked was for N800 with 2008 firmware and that's what it downloaded.

Just tried Gronmeyer site as you suggested. Nothing there that I want. But just to see if it would download anything I asked for a Nokia Catalogue update installation program. It tried to run and did the same old same old, opened Application manager and got stuck on 1kB.
I don't think you're right about the reasons for this problem. Have you ever known the Application manager refuse to update and get stuck with every input of downloading operations?

I think the 2008 firmware is a mess or I've got a faulty unit.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

I've been using the Application Manager for more than a year now and so have many people. I've been using the 2008 firmware since the day it was released. Do you have any idea why it would malfunction for you and work fine for everyone else? And do you have any idea why I downloaded Mirage about an hour ago with no problems, using the 2008 software and Application Manager which to you are "a mess"?

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Yes I do as a matter of fact. While I was waiting for my Nokia Tablet to arrive in the post, I looked up forums with discussions on troubleshooting and I found a number of sites where people said they had desperate need for help when Software won't run/download/install and even some saying the system locked up after Upgrading of firmware.

I also know that when I buy something I'm very much prone to having trouble with things that nobody else seems to. I seem to get the lemon every time. It's not accident prone it's just jinxed.
I've also seen discussions that say think very hard before downloading upgraded firmware on lots of digital devices including Hard Drive DVD recorders because there are "issues" that have been unresolved with the makers after upgrade.

Another problem I had with Nokia was using the PC Suite to try to connect my PC to my Sony Ericsson phone. It still won't recognise the connected usb hardware and it's not my PC as I've failed to get it to connect on three different PCs
So do you see the jinx there? WHen I made strong criticisms of Nokia about this on a forum they banned me for "having a go" at Nokia. Well I'm not going to make that mistake here but I think it's significant that nobody seems to know why this problem exists. I've co operated and tried all the suggestions received here and none of them has solved it. As the Americans say, "Go Figure "!

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

You could use ImageMagick, if you like that sorta thing. (I do, because I'm often doing batch or otherwise simple operations that run smoother that way; YMMV.)

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Well, just realized what you said there. Policy on itT is to only ban spammers; no-one else ever gets the boot. You still might not want to make terrible rants, as people get irritated here as much as anywhere, but the worst you have to fear is initiating a flamewar and/or losing all credibility.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Plado -

Have you tried what I suggested? Go to Maemo.org in your Nokia's browser, click on the big arrow, select "open" when asked. Try this with a couple of simple apps, making sure that they are 2008 compatible (update the OS to 2008 first, btw). I think there are good reasons why what you are doing now won't work the way you're doing it: the browser method is simple.

Try loading, oh, Free42, and tell me what happens. You should be fine.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Unintentional humour greatly appreciated. ;) Thanks!

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Just going back to your orinal question regarding image editing, they ar a little slow but you can find some quite handy online tools using flash: -
http://pixer.us great to crop and basic effects

there are some more here have not tried them:-

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/04...ting-overview/

http://pixenate.com

http://www.phixr.com/

http://fotoflexer.com/

there are others but depends what you want to do.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

This is very kind of you to offer some more suggestions and not try to blame me for what is going wrong! The way some others have done on this thread! I was pained by that as I'd been cooperative and polite all along. Anyhow water under the bridge. We'll return to the problem constructively I hope....

I have just persevered with your idea and gone to maemo from the Nokia 800 and fetched the Downloads page. It pulls down about 14 items and the only two I could try that would give me the big Arrow were Homememfree and Pidgin.
So I tried OPEN for the homememfree and it tried to install and then BOING it threw up a window that said Some Application packages for the installation are missing. So it expected me to Abort to get the box to close so I did.

OK so let's go one more and try Pidgin. Neither were applications I wanted but we don't mind deleting them later if they've done the job of proving something. "Pidgin.install" I tried the OPEN button again, and this time it opened the Application Manager (that infernal thing!) Download stuck again at 1Kb. It's still there now staring at me with option to cancel.

When I leave anything in that state it comes up with a message after about ten minutes saying something like Could not complete download so REFRESH of APPLICATION MANAGER was incomplete. It then offers to close and you return to the App Manager and it still shows nothing got added at all. Still the two old applications in there one of which won't uninstall.

I'm sure it's not something I'm doing wrong.
After all I've been installing software since the DOS days of early 1990s before even Windows 3.1 came along so I don't make silly errors if I can avoid them.

But I will be intrigued if anyone here works out what the trouble is.
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Just a bit more info that you might find useful
The Error message on the last one PIDGIN
says
Application List partially refreshed Some catalogues unavailable Check catalogue details
Continue installing?

OK and then it says Unable to download pidgin
"Application package not found."
What the devil is going on there?
And what is a catalogue, I thought it was a program installer?
I wish they'd use the right terminology.
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Hi Plado,

I read through this thread, and while I would be far from expert in anything linux, I did encounter a similar problem several months ago when I first purchased my N800. What solved the problem for me was to basically start from scratch. That is, I reloaded the firmware. Everything was fine after that. One of the earlier posts mentioned that the N800 is in a sense always in development - as all things linux are. It is not unusual to find problems such as this periodically. I would regard this as a nominal issue with a device that out performs all my other various tech tools (motorola cell phone, mac mini, etc) in so many ways.

Also, problem solving via forums, for any device, does present one constant issue; very often well intended and helpful folks (geeks?) will provide solutions that are beyond the understanding or skill of most other people. I imagine this happens because, like many skilled artisans, those adept at IT forget how rare it is that most people become truly good at anything and rather generously assume most of us are closer to their level than we really are. So, it may not always be a good idea to implement the solutions put up on a forum right away as there are usually things left out that the poster figures you already know.

Finally, thank you for your patient and thorough posts. They provide a good example of keeping things in the mode of positive inquiry. I hope you get your N800 up to speed soon.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Unless any of the software installation you've done since whenever involved dependency-handling repository-based package management systems, that experience doesn't substantially decrease the probability that you are, in fact, doing something wrong.

As soon as you categorically rule out some class of problem by arbitrary declaration, your chance of being able to solve it goes down, because it might still be in the category you refuse to consider, so do keep an open mind.

And did you check details?

Catalog is Finglish for a repository; and don't blame them for not using the right terminology when it's a new system you don't understand yet. Give yourself a while to get up to speed with Debian package management, then you'll realize that their terminology is not problematic.

A .install file is a description of one or more repositories, and a package to retrieve once the repositories are set up. Your trouble is that the repositories' package lists cannot be fetched, I think, and so of course it can't get the package from the repository. You need to find out how it's failing.

Oh, one more thing: What OS are you running? In the Control Panel, choose About Product. If you are, in fact, running ITOS 2007, then you probably have a single bad repository entry, which prevents updating any repositories. In ITOS2008, that issue is fixed, and a bad entry or unavailable repository only prevents updating the package list for that repository.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Well thank you bghnow for a highly reasoned and encouraging response. I have renewed hope from what you say.
Benson on the other hand offers me the opposite. I don't understand 80% + of what you're saying.
I didn't check the catalogue details as I don't know what they are nor where you find them.
I understand nothing about Linux and I probably never will as I bought this Nokia hoping it would protect me from having to do rocket science study before using the damn thing. It seems to be advertised like it's as straight forward as using an Apple Mac compared to windows. But it isn't straight forward and I have no idea how to solve what seems to have caused it to get itself in knots when I only wanted to download a single little bit of software. The situation is absolutely ludicrous.
User Friendly it aint.

Operating system - now why would I be wanting to be downloading stuff into an old Firmware? In fact I've upgraded it three times and that still hasn't solved it.
The About section shows it as OS2008 2.2007.51-3 and that's the one the Nokia Software Update wizard advised was the latest. In fact the wizard first of all said it already had the latest in the 2007 but I second guessed it was wrong. That's why I upgraded to 2008 and it appeared to install properly.
And back on the subject of nomenclature, Nokia should realise it's not software it's Firmware.
I'll sign off before I go to bed, as it's getting late here in the UK and say I can't work out what Repositories and Packages and Catalogues are all about since the Nokia N800 has nothing in the menus to show what Repositories it wants, or has got, or are corrupt, nor does it tell you what catalogues it is trying to download. I'm not into programming and all that geeky stuff and I shouldn't have to be. The last programming I did was in BASIC in 1993 - Oh what a long way we've come since then - or have we?
This afternoon I parked my car outside a Public WiFi spot and the Nokia tried to connect to it. It wasn't locked. But it refused entry even though the signal was strong.
No connectivity. Brilliant. I tried another one a mile away that was Free and that wouldn't connect either. Reset it to connect to ANY AVAILABLE and it didn't. Came back home and it connected to my home network. I don't need it to do that.

I'm not impressed. My Psion Organiser worked better using a iR dial up modem. Surprise surprise!
Plado.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Go to this page

http://maemo.org/downloads/search/ap...8&fetch=Search

and press the arrow. Tell me what happens. This is an app I've download and know should work.

If you're not seeing arrows next to virtually all apps, then you've probably either gone to the wrong part of the site (which isn't brilliantly designed) or you haven't got "show all images" turned on under "view" in your web browser.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Why, thanks for the compliment. But, as bghnow was only able to offer one suggestion, and you had already tried that, I hope to be the opposite in terms of helpfulness, too, at least, even if I'm neither well-reasoned nor encouraging.
Unfortunately, due to some advanced tweaking gone awry ;), I broke my application manager. I haven't got around to reflashing yet, so I can't get to that screen. But I thought there was a button on that dialog for displaying details; perhaps I'm wrong. But even if there's not, you can try Tools > Log... in the menu.
If it's that bad, and you wanted an Apple-like system anyway, may I suggest you sell it and buy an iPod Touch? But if you do want to try to stick it out, learn something and fix the troubles you're having, I'm willing to try to help, your attitude not withstanding.
Don't know why, but it's important to explore possibilities, and you had not yet stated that it was running OS 2008.
And getting back on the subject of nomenclature, you still are the one who needs to get it right. Or do you call Windows XP firmware, too? The firmware is in fact included in an OS upgrade, but it's only a small part. On the bright side, it doesn't care what you call it, so we know that Nokia's choice of terminology for a combination firmware / OS update isn't the problem.
I understand you lie somewhere between not caring if you ever program again and being proud not to know how to program, but no one is discussing programming. We're talking simple diagnostics here. I think I already pointed out that the term Catalog is used by Nokia to refer to what Debian (and I) refer to as a repository. With that knowledge, you could have clicked Tools > Application catalog..., and whaddaya know, there's a list of repositories (AKA catalogs). As I already mentioned, you can look in Tools > Log... to see any errors encountered. Maybe you couldn't find any of that in the menus, but it is there.
It failed to connect to 2 APs (out of 2); did you check that those APs were reachable with some other device? In my experience, the N800's very sensitive receiver can often see APs my laptop cannot; but still can't connect because the AP isn't sensitive enough at that range. It's dangerous to conclude that the equipment is wanting without comparing it against some other equipment. If you know someone with a lightweight laptop, an iPod Touch, or whatever, you might get together for a war-walking session, so you get an honest idea of how it compares to other devices.
Now you're just being silly. I'm sure your Psion Organiser could connect to your home WiFi with an infrared dialup modem, but it might not have gotten the other two, either. :p
Get a good night's sleep, and if you wanna come back at it in the morning, try dumping the log and uploading it here. The list of repos catalogs, too. We'll see if we can find what's wrong.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Well now.
Application list paritally refreshed. Some catalogues unavailable. Check catalogue details. Continue Installing? OK Details Cancel So I chose DETAILS as I thought that would be my best bet to help you know what's going on.
Nokia Catalogue
Nokia Catalogue (3rd Party Software)
http then masses of stuff among it was could not connect to Nokia catalogue tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0) and two of those one after the other
[note from me: Looks like a connection to Abacast player to watch niagara falls !] Then
Gizmo Catalogue
Nokia System-update
mg
End of install process came up with
Downloading free42 failed..... CLOSE

So it's here where I have to say over to you.
You needn't read the rest of this but I would like to point out a couple of things.

Firstly to "Meanwhile"'s proposal for the simplest bit of diagnostic analysis that I can cope with initially today.
I'll respond to the others in a follow up later because it seems we have a few rather useful Psycho-Analysts on this forum who are doing their best to get to the bottom of why I might be souring up the search for a solution! I don't want to get in the way of logical analysis and so I can only say you're probably all correct and I am not helping it by losing my rag. I've slept on it and I'm calmer about it today. So please accept my apologies for being a disillusioned monster stamping my feet when I was tired and fed up with it.

BTW the URL you quoted to go to, in order to fetch the Free HP Calculator, was too short as shown on the Forum posting. The actual download url was much longer. Not sure why the forum shortened it with ... in the middle. It went to an error page when typed in as posted. But the actual line was huge (I'll paste it here) and you'll see what I mean.
So instead of going here....
http://maemo.org/downloads/search/ap...8&fetch=Search LINES AND LINES OF IT to the end of the URL

Instead I was forced to go to the first little part of it as far as downloads/ and did a search for the Free HP Calculator by name and came up with a page that fetches the same one as the long url does when fetching it on the Windows PC.

There I found the software and a Green Arrow and Ran the Install from there. It went into my Appl Manager and got beyond 1kb after about a minute wait. Then I had a blue progress line that went gradually over a few minutes to fully over to the right. It took as long as it has taken to write this posting to get to the end of the process but locked for a long time apparentl stuck showing DOWNLOADING 738kB
I have a good strong signal of 80% and the battery is fully charged.

I suspect guessing what might happen is it will say the list was not completely refreshed and the download will have been incomplete. The Free HP Calculator probably won't appear in the list of the Application manager.
YES that's what happened and when I tried to continue downloading after that error message about the Catalogue it has gone back into Downloading 412kB and I expect it will just keep looping that cycle all day unless I stop it.

In the meantime I'll check out the other suggestions here to see if I can find these menus that show the file structure. But you have to remember I'm used to Folderrs Files Executables File Extensions, File compressions, Software Running and all things that I got my hands dirty with Windows on, so Repositories and re-named things are at this stage a problem of interpretation of what we are talking about. But I'll get there.

I'll do my best as I greatly appreciate your help - and I don't want to waste the help I'm getting from all contributors as they all give me something to try. I only get badly frustrated when my illusions about a product are shattered when something really silly goes wrong and I can't fathom out what.

I do a lot of helping old people in their 70s and 80s with Computer problems over connection and the management of files problems, and they're all really grateful and I feel the same way about the folks here.

I'll be back when I've tried a few more things to see if I can find what's gone awol. Still stuck downloading a mere 412k
Cheers
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Benson you're a clever guy.
Your memory of what shows in the N800 menu list is remarkable.
I did just now, (after posting my latest info this morning), go to the menu to look at the log.

It wouldn't let me COPY paste it so I saved it to documents, sent it to my email address. Fetched it on the PC and copied it to clipboard. I am just going to paste it here. It does show what a nightmare of errors I've been throwing up in the last few days. I hope you can gather something useful from this.

I suspect it will discover that I have to do some re-installing of something a bit complicated but I'll be guided by you. Already I see it advises I run Ap-get to help solve the problems. But I don't yet know what/where/how is Ap Get? I've never seen it offered so again I need help on this. Many thanks and here's the log
PASTE
hildon-application-manager 2.0.2
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chin ook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_non-certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_chinook_free_bin ary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org chinook/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_chinook_non-free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.gizmoproject.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.gizmoproject.com_chinook_dists_chinook_us er_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_updates_chinook_._Pa ckages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mg.pov.lt chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mg.pov.lt_770_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mg.pov.lt chinook/other Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mg.pov.lt_770_dists_chinook_other_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_chinook_free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://repository.maemo.org chinook/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_chinook_non-free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mango.dia.unisa.it chinook/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mango.dia.unisa.it_maemo_dists_chinook_free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mango.dia.unisa.it chinook/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mango.dia.unisa.it_maemo_dists_chinook_non-free_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com...ok/Release.gpg Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com...ok/Release.gpg Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://packages.gizmoproject.com/chi...ok/Release.gpg Could not connect to packages.gizmoproject.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com..././Release.gpg Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/chinook/Release.gpg Could not connect to mg.pov.lt:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://packages.gizmoproject.com/chi...el/Packages.gz Could not connect to packages.gizmoproject.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/chinook/u...el/Packages.gz Could not connect to mg.pov.lt:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/chinook/o...el/Packages.gz Could not connect to mg.pov.lt:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com...el/Packages.gz Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com...el/Packages.gz Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com..././Packages.gz Could not connect to catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chin ook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_non-certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chin ook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_non-certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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Installing free42 1.4.40-hildon1
Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d...on1_armel.deb: Could not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chin ook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_non-certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://packages.gizmoproject.com chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/packages.gizmoproject.com_chinook_dists_chinook_us er_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_updates_chinook_._Pa ckages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mg.pov.lt chinook/user Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mg.pov.lt_770_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mg.pov.lt chinook/other Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mg.pov.lt_770_dists_chinook_other_binary-armel_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

OK, apt-get is the program behind Application Manager; when you click to install package 'foo', App Mgr runs 'apt-get install foo'; 'apt-get update' is equivalent to Check for Updates.

BTW, wrap this sort of log in code tags, or post as an attachment; vB mangles it when you paste it as text.
That's where it's timing out... I think the (1.0.0.0) may represent the IP address it's using, which implies a name resolution problem. Try launching an xterm and running:If all goes well, it'll dump line after line of output; after 8 or so, stop it with Ctrl C. And if anyone can confirm that that dotted quad is the server IP, or tell us what it is instead, that'd be great.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Thanks for doing that simplest-thing test, Plado. I've downloaded the same app recently and it took only a few seconds.

My thoughts (but I'm new to the 800 myself):

- It can't be a *simple* user error at this stage!

- However you might have mangled some option somewhere in Settings, *maybe*. See what experienced users say.

- Could be a wi fi interaction problem??? You can investigate this by seeing if you can download app sized data files over the Internet. See if you can download on someone else's wi fi.

- Consider wiping the machine and re-installing the OS as a last step. Get advice on this, but it is a traditional brute force solution in the Windows world. But don't do this if you are having any problems with linking to the machine with USB!

- If you bought the machine new in the UK, make the shop replace it or refund if this can't be resolved. You have this right for about 5 years after a major purchase - ask your CAB or do a google search, or bother me if you need more details. Otherwise, consider sending the beast to a Nokia service centre anyway - you might be able to charm free help out of them, or it might be cheap.

I don't blame you at all for being very, very frustrated! My N800 isn't perfect (I have some "user experience" niggles about the UI, volume control, etc) but it is very, very good.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Oh dear I think you've got ahead of me there. I want to do everything piece-meal here to try to remedy this but I had best tell you what I don't understand.

When you say:-
>>apt-get is the program behind Application Manager; when >you click to install package 'foo', App Mgr runs 'apt-get >install foo'; 'apt-get update' is equivalent to Check for >Updates.
Where is this apt-get to be found in order to "run" it. I've not seen it buried anywhere on my N800. Is it run from some website? Also what is "foo"
Sorry about the unwrapped text instead of code. I don't want to annoy you but I have no idea how you wrap it in html code.
I've never written a web page. I haven't even seen where you attach a file in a Posted reply. I think I need more tuition to be honest.

Now your next comment is even more baffling to me.
QUOTE
That's where it's timing out... I think the (1.0.0.0) may >represent the IP address it's using, which implies a name >resolution problem. Try launching an xterm and running:
>Code:
>ping catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com
What IP address is my N800 trying to use that is wrong?
How can I change the IP address it's using? Won't that stop it communicating with my Wireless access point in my home?

What is launching an Xterm is that in terminal ?
I'll try that as I guess that's what you mean.
I'll type it in like it's a DOS or FTP command and see if it registers anything and then come back here. That's all I can do right now until I get some more detailed directive.
Sorry about that but I've not had time since owning the Tablet just a few days to find out where things are buried nor to learn whether I dare touch them or should be going headlong into it.

I err on the cautious side when it comes to playing around with bits I don't know what I'm doing. Experts always advise if you don't know what you're doing you should leave it alone and let an expert do it. I think that's wise.
But I can be directed if I know what people mean with their instructions.
Thanks
I'll come back if I get any sign from Terminal doing the ping

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Oh dear I think you've got ahead of me there. I want to do everything piece-meal here to try to remedy this but I had best tell you what I don't understand.

When you say:-
>>apt-get is the program behind Application Manager; when >you click to install package 'foo', App Mgr runs 'apt-get >install foo'; 'apt-get update' is equivalent to Check for >Updates.
Where is this apt-get to be found in order to "run" it. I've not seen it buried anywhere on my N800. Is it run from some website? Also what is "foo"
Sorry about the unwrapped text instead of code. I don't want to annoy you but I have no idea how you wrap it in html code.
I've never written a web page. I haven't even seen where you attach a file in a Posted reply. I think I need more tuition to be honest.

Now your next comment is even more baffling to me.
QUOTE
That's where it's timing out... I think the (1.0.0.0) may >represent the IP address it's using, which implies a name >resolution problem. Try launching an xterm and running:
>Code:
>ping catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com
What IP address is my N800 trying to use that is wrong?
How can I change the IP address it's using? Won't that stop it communicating with my Wireless access point in my home?

What is launching an Xterm is that in terminal ?
I'll try that as I guess that's what you mean.
I'll type it in like it's a DOS or FTP command and see if it registers anything and then come back here. That's all I can do right now until I get some more detailed directive.
Sorry about that but I've not had time since owning the Tablet just a few days to find out where things are buried nor to learn whether I dare touch them or should be going headlong into it.

I err on the cautious side when it comes to playing around with bits I don't know what I'm doing. Experts always advise if you don't know what you're doing you should leave it alone and let an expert do it. I think that's wise.
But I can be directed if I know what people mean with their instructions.
Thanks
I'll come back if I get any sign from Terminal doing the ping

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Sorry my postings are getting a bit messy. I find it hard to find my way around this site if I have to step back to look something up, I lose my replied text so this time I put it in clipboard and so here is the result of my PING

Sorry to say all did not go well.
ping catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com
gave me
(195.59.44.17): 56 data bytes
ping: permission denied. (are you root?)
- $

Well I'm none the wiser. How about you?
I'm just going to compile a reply to "meanwhile" now.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Again Meanwhile, thanks for your up to speed help along with the others.
- It can't be a *simple* user error at this stage!

I'm mighty pleased to hear you say that!

- However you might have mangled some option somewhere in Settings, *maybe*. See what experienced users say.

>- Could be a wi fi interaction problem??? You can >investigate this by seeing if you can download app >sized data files over the Internet. See if you can >download on someone else's wi fi.

Yes it could as I've still failed to connect to any other person's open network. It goes to connect to an unlocked WLAN connection and after half a minute max, it says Connection Failure try again ?
That always says to me it can't talk to it. But why does it talk perfectly to mine at home? Crazy

- Consider wiping the machine and re-installing the OS as a last step. Get advice on this, but it is a

Ah now I wondered about this. Is there a Reset Cold Reboot button on it or is it a data wipe command in Control Panel Menu Restore Original Settings Clear Device where it says All settings and device content will be deleted. ALso 2GB internal memory will be gone. All applications will close and the device will restart? Is that the one?
When I've done it will my SD cards plugged in work at bringing back my latest backup restore?

>problems with linking to the machine with USB!
Non got no problems there.

- If you bought the machine new in the UK, make the shop replace it or refund if this can't be
I got it from Xpansys in the UK so I could send it back to them.
However I'd rather not send it back if I can limp along with it. But if it won't connect to any other wifi spot than my own Linksys WAP in the house it's not a bit of good to me. In the house is not where I need it and Bluetooth GPRS on my mobile costs a fortune to download web pages.

>Otherwise, consider sending the beast to a Nokia >service centre anyway - you might be able to >charm free help out of them, or it might be cheap.
Well again I'm reluctant to do that but I won't go into why here in public. I have no confidence unless I was forcing a replacement. They're not going to repair it to my satisfaction I can be sure of that. But if it transpires it's not fit for purpose then it goes back.

Thanks again for your suggestions they're all taken on board by me and I may well do what I am reluctant to agree to at first. I need to be pushed into these things.

Meanwhile I'll see what more I can squeeze out of helpers here and see if a cold reboot solves it.

Cheers and Beers
Plado

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

OK, I'm gonna do a couple or so replies.
Regarding the forum stuff:

To wrap something in code tags:
They're not HTML, but vBcode, and you do something like
[code]This is code, and won't be mangled by the forum[/code]
Or you can (from the advanced post editor) select the text you want coded, and click the # button.

I'd recommend always opening "Go Advanced" in a new window to post; that way you can navigate around in the original window, and get all the convenience of the advanced editor
.
The advanced editor also has a panel for posting attachments, about a page below the editing area.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Ok - at this point, STOP. (Other than trying whatever non-drastic measures take your interest: don't think of blanking and re-installing!)

Your N800 isn't connecting to public networks - unless you've messed up your wireless settings badly, there's a problem. One of the things about my N800 that has impressed me is the ease and power of its wifi - it's detecting wireless around me that none of the other devices I've tried in the same spot have. Doing stuff to it may let a retailer try to shift blame to you.

Read this

http://technovia.typepad.com/technov...o_do_when.html

and don't take any of the bs that Expansys (I had to return a NOS Netbook to them a few months ago) will try to give you. This is THEIR problem - not yours, not even Nokia's. Ignore anything about the terms and conditions on their website - they can't override UK law. If necessary contact Trading Standards, and then CC all mail between you and Expansys to them. Regrettably, Expansys's poor attitude gives you less leeway in dealing with this than if you bought off a more responsible retailer.

It is worth getting another N800 - they're wonderful machines. However like all complex machines (except perhaps Casio GShocks) you do get the odd lemon. Stop driving yourself crazy and get one that works. Even if you tweak this one into working, you'll always have to wonder what was wrong - is there a hardware problem that required a lot of software tinkering to compensate for, which will reduce the machine's reliability, range of networking, etc? Get it replaced!

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

It's on your tablet; it's run from xterm (see below)
Just the canonical stand-in, here representing an arbitrary package name. So installing free42 runs apt-get install free42, and so on.
Yeah, I was a little unclear, even misleading, there. I think that it's trying to reach catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com at IP address 1.0.0.0, which is plainly wrong. But I'm no expert in apt-get error messages, so that 1.0.0.0 could be something other than the remote IP address it's trying to access.
Yes, it's called "X Terminal" in the menu; it's not horribly accurate to say so, but it's kinda like cmd.exe in Windows.
You got it! (And now I'll reply to the last post.)

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

Well, not bad actually. I forgot that the N800 requires root access to ping anything. (root is the unix equivalent to administrator, more or less)

But, it did look up catalogue tableteer.nokia.com to find the IP address before it failed, and came back with 195.59.44.17. (i.e. NOT 1.0.0.0)

Next thing, let's try going to http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ in the browser on the N800.
If that works, drill down through certified, dists, chinook, and then download contents-armel.gz
If all that works, just open the App Mgr again, and try to:

• Clear the log (There should be a clear button when you're viewing the log.) update.)
• Update the catalog
• Post back with the log, and a description of what it did.

Re: Image Editing Software any for the N800?
 

To Benson and Meanwhile. Again my strongest thanks to you both for your intensive staying power with me on this.
I'll now confess that an hour ago I did a complete System Data wipe and made sure I'd backed up all settings onto the card. Then let it clear it all.
Next I booted up and it went through a full fresh setup just like when it came out of the box at first, except it seems to have retained the date and time.

I thought it might be advisable to see if it would connect first to my Bluetooth phone and PAIR with it. Then my Wifi network before RESTORING any data from my card. That way it would at least go online and try a dummy run for downloading software.

On the desktop was a Nokia Software Applet and a Stream Tuner plus the usual Search box. I went to the Nokia site and tried to download FM Radio and it went straight back to the Application Manager stuck download of about 56k and never finished the job. In the end after 30 minutes wait I aborted and cursed the stupid thing.

I'm going to phone Expansys in the morning and find out if they'll replace it. If they won't then I'll threaten them with Solicitors. I've once in the past instigated Legal Proceedings against a TV Aerial Rigger who made a stupid mistake in putting up a wrong group Antenna on my roof. I found out the group using binoculars and proved them wrong. They settled out of court and had to pay my claims fees which served them right.

I know what you're saying about the Nokia being a super little machine. It finds all kinds of networks while I drive along in my car. Then I find an unlocked open one and I pull over where there's a strong signal and again it tries to connect but never makes it. The device is faulty for sure.

I can't go down the road of this technically involved sending programming language into it. After all what would some poor young person who knows nothing about computers do if they were given an N800 for a Birthday Present and found it was not doing what it says on the box? They'd throw it back at the retailer or at Nokia. I'm tempted to do this very soon.
I've got the box.
I'll ring the Expansys and see how they react.
It's under warranty after all.
I don't mind paying postage to send it back to them or to Nokia but I won't have them argue it's perfectly functioning as they are not in a position to judge - I have the device in my posession now. So let's see whose jacksie it will be stuffed up in the next few days.

Thanks again to all of you for your hard work trying to solve this for me and for being patient trying to instruct me on how to DIY fix it.
I'll return here and post the outcome tagged on the end of this thread when I find out what happens.
Regards
Plado
whispertread@gmail.com