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Hey, when reasonable requests fail to generate interest, you know a bit of drama always will. :D

So, at the start I primarily intended this to be focused on the maemo page (with a bit of work on the tablet pages), but as we seem to have managed to get the maemo page more or less up to snuff, I believe it may be worthwhile to focus a little effort on some of other articles for things related to the platform. In particular, I'd hope for some expansion on the Hildon, Matchbox, OMAP, and (possibly, although I'm not sure it makes sense) a new article for Xomap.

We could probably use an article on Modest, too.

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OK, here's my abortion of an article on Modest. As it turns out, my knowledge of Modest is essentially non-existent. History section in particular needs some TLC, as it's just embarrassing at the moment. :D

Tinymail article is also in the works.

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A link to this should probably be created in the Diablo section of the maemo page. I tried, but I'm somehow not understanding how to set it up right.

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Internal links on wikipedia are done like so:

For Modest:

Added another abortion, Tinymail. The references should provide an interested party with all the information they need to flesh out the article if they wanted to try, I'll probably get around to making it useful later this week if not. In particular, though, I'd like somebody to confirm that my IPA pronunciation isn't completely bogus.

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Thanks. I somehow misread Wikipedia's documentation and thought I should be using a colon, not a pipe, as the separator.

I'm new to this, but I'll catch on eventually. I hope.

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I'm not exactly a veteran myself. ;)

You catch on as you go along. Their documentation is fairly straightforward, but looking at existing articles for examples is a good method for learning.

Out of interest, who is the unregistered personage who is contributing all those wonderful grammar and spelling fixes? :cool:

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Well, that would be me, learning. I hope you're not too upset with what I've done! *hides*

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I added a few bits and pieces to the maemo page, the n800 and a tiny bit ot the n810. As I think of more things I will put them in. Worth raiding sections of ITT's wiki to go on?

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Excellent! Seriously helpful stuff. You should consider registering, though. ;)

I noticed, and thanks! The little stuff is particularly easy to miss. :<

Probably not. Pretty much all of the information we need is available from more official and static sources, but if you see something you want to add, feel free. It can always be modified later if needed.

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*sigh*

meanwhile's back up on his soapbox. :\

Apparently we're all professional PR plants from Nokia trying to undermine his valiant attempts to protector users and developers by exposing maemo's horrible security. :rolleyes:

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I fixed some spelling in the Maemo artcle. I'm registered, but I don't sign in for minor correx I find.

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I thought he had said something to the effect that the inept way we were hacking the article proved we weren't PR pros?

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I dunno, maybe he changed his mind. :D I can't really bring myself to read his nonsense closely. :\

i. It doesn't quite say that, and given the obvious effort to put in spin into the article discussed above (often showing a very professional level of PR writing...) this requires disambiguation.

Man, he is quick with the vandalism charge. None of what has gone on has constituted vandalism. Using editors to push your viewpoint is certainly an impressive tactic.

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Not only has he completely re-added his nonsense, he has totally reworded the discussion page.

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Which, actually, reading the wikipedia:vandalism page, technically constitutes vandalism. :rolleyes:

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Yes, his comments on PR were contradictory, I noticed that too. He claims you have a stake because of money or emotion, but his comments show that he has a big emotional stake -- they are filled with typos and sometimes completely don't make sense. This indicates that he is writing quickly and not rereading, or simply doesn't know English well.

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I reverted the damage only to have him tag me as a Vandal too despite clearly stating my reasons for removing and reverting the text. I have given up and added the original research tag since this is nothing more than a rant against native code and/or cell phone attached compting and since NONE of the NIT's even have phone hardware I'm having a hard time understanding how this relates to maemo.

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I believe johnx had the right idea. Let him play out his power trip for a week or two and fix it once he's gotten it out of his system.

Does this mean we get to go sack Rome? :D

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That Umptious/meanwhile is one piece of work apparently...

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Unfortunately one of the problems with a user contributed encyclopedia is always going to be that someone with an axe to grind, or a problem understanding really simple logic is going to add things as they feel they have something to add.
I doubt he would get bored of it, as noone else believes him anywhere, so I guess he needs a soapbox for his ramblings.
I was going to add a change or a request for citation to his 'most mobile platforms' bit to point out that most mobile platforms don't have any restrictions so maybe it would be nice to know what the 'most platforms' means but I don't know if it is worth arguing with the hard of thinking.

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Hahaha.. Don't do that! Really, dont'.

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WP:TE, anyone?

No, I didn't just write.it as a portrait, but it couldn't fit better if I had.

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I've never actually seen an attribution on this one, but I originally heard it from the president of Ambrosia Software, Andrew Welch. They're words to live by. ;)

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Goodness, that is a disturbingly good fit. It's almost as if they wrote that just for this situation.

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It's comforting to know that soon there will be "loss of life" because of Maemo.

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Anybody else catch the sneak attack? Haha

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The "Nokia IS a phone company" bit amuses me. The Nokia IP2255 doesn't seem to have a SIM slot, it lacks decent PIM software, and its battery life is terrible.

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I think we've gone well past the domain of OR and non-NPOV and entered . . . The Twilight Zone.

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To anybody that wishes to comment or contribute, please register and login if you can.

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GM makes jet engines and railroad cars... obviously we need to discuss the issues of trains going at 300 mph!

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You can:

1) continue reversing his edits (and, optionally, complain about it in this topic), ad infinitum, or

2) report his repeated (mis-)behavior to the wikipedia admins, and get him banned.

also available: #2, followed by #1

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I requested editor help this afternoon... might take a while before they get around to the page.

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Umm... Why register? Never saw the point, for casual editing.

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Because they prefer that you do. :p Comments on the talk pages tend to have a little more weight when they're not from an IP.

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Added a little bit that I thought was important (at least for geeks exploring the page ;)). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Alternate_Desktops

Edit: Cited everything.

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I'm hoping they get there soon, we've definitely got a 3RR on our hands here if nothing else. :\

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Trolls love this sort of PR. :D

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I am really at a loss as to what else to do. This person believe we all work for Nokia; Really, if that is the case, I'm wondering where my paycheck is!

2. Nokia have a department aimed at influencing developers to act as evangelists for them. They hand out free hardware and special access to future OS developments (potentially very financially significant if the platform succeeds - and GA has made posts boasting of such information) and jobs to evangelists who please them. Even if none of these people work for Nokia, I'm not sure that they are sufficiently disinterested so that they should be editing the wikipedia article - they all have a potential financial interest and Nokia is trying to actively use them as PR tools.

I guess nobody can ever comment on the SONY page then... their products are in everything!

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Wow.

Just... wow.

I must be screwing up somewhere-- I'm not getting paid for ANY of my evangelism! In fact, too much of it and I risk my current job.

Wow.

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His pretense at reasonableness seems to be falling apart.

This does NOT mean "If you and your friends who have all invested time and money in a platform and have received gifts and services from Nokia gang up to edit wikipedia, then your will shall prevail". It's talking about about the overall view of informed majority sources trumping that of eg a group of Debian hacker wannabe fanboys.

Then you don't understand what NPOV is. You appear to think it means "Saying things I, GA, don't like". It doesn't. It means using biasing adjectives, spin, or concealing facts.

. . . and apparently anybody that disagrees with meanwhile is a vandal. :rolleyes:

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Actually there is a much larger issue with reasonableness. On April 18th the Admins referred him to mediation which requires all parties to agree to be mediated.

He chose to ignore that advice and revert the page after several more days worth of edits.