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Perhaps you should turn his own argument back on him.

Maybe he's a paid heckler, funded by the iCorporation in iCupertino, or the MSCorporation in MSRedmond, to cast fear, uncertainty and doubt about any platform, gadget, or operating system that potentially threatens the monopoly he's working for... ;)

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He tried posting a security section on the iPhone page but got shot down there as well for being out-of-date.

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As long as his coding ability is at least as inconsistent and syntactically incorrect as his English writing style, we won't have to worry about him authoring any of the potential virus or security hacks on the NIT, in any case.

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Meanwhile/Umptious is absolutely the most difficult sort of editor/conversant IMO. He relies heavily on logical fallacies while completely failing to recognize he is doing so-- and simultaneously implying or even overtly claiming that others are doing so.

I'm not saying this to be mean to meanwhile... if he is completely sincere in his efforts, then I suspect he may truly be unaware of his recent disingenuity and that's unfortunate. The reason I am butting in with this is to get people to realize that their expectations of productive dialog with him at this point may be in all probability unreasonable. He either will not or cannot see his fatal errors in logic. Trying to convince him of his being at odds with reason is an exercise in futility at best. He is dug in and determined to defend his position.

Regrettably, pointing his actions out to editors and/or admins may be the only recourse it appears. Regardless, no one should be able to use Wikipedia as a platform for hatemongering, ad hominem attacks, misrepresentation of facts or spread of FUD. Period. That's not what it's for.

EDIT: I realized I was being ironically condescending and removed/changed some verbiage. I apologize to anyone offended, especially meanwhile. I don't really hold any ill will toward the guy, and really wish he'd step back a bit and realize he's going a bit overboard. He certainly seems intelligent and passionate enough... just a bit misguided.

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All I can do is keep plugging away. Maybe admins will intervene eventually.

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Yes, but reasoned dialog, even if it doesn't actually help, is an important part of the process, and skipping out on it before the requested cavalry arrive makes one look churlish and/or easily discouraged not possessed of infinite patience.

Spectating can be fun, though; watch the incredible resilience of someone who can be *****x-slapped with logic and sense indefinitely, and still...

The bite-covered wiki troll rises from the dead.

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I agree Benson, I'm just suggesting that the reasonable effort be made up to a point and then shifted to an alternative when it's patently obvious the instigator has no interest in listening. Of course, I'm guilty of violating my own advice on a regular basis so just ignore me. :p

Quick Edit: and maybe it's best to take a more objective approach and not even respond to the instigator-- but rather, to his work.

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It is only true if the patient is holding his finger on the Red Button or preparing to jump off the roof. The first is unlikely, and the second seems almost desirable in this case, so there is no point in continuing to treat him as a reasonable human being.

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As you can see I'm clearly laying out what I am going to do and why in the talk pages. If he can't source his assertions I will continue to remove them. Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for un-sourced allegations.

If he follows his usual pattern he will show back up in a week and crap all over the pages again.

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Agreed. You're doing well.

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Didn't the Romulans use an early- (or isn't it actually later- !!)development version of what (decades later [or, earlier]) became (or always was) the maemo development platform to plan and nearly carry out an infiltration of the Federation? How come there's no mention of this anywhere on wikipedia?? Are all wikipedians actually Romulans or Romulan sympathesizers?

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You will be assimilated. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.

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I though that was Google's line?

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Bah, a floating cube of bot-thing? Wusses. Couldn't even assimilate a butterfly if they tried. But... Ever tried to wrestle a freakin' tribble? ;)

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Any people wish to expand on the QT section?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#QT

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Thanks! Expanded it a little bit, but if somebody maybe wants to clarify the implications a little (it's a touch heavy) and maybe expand on the S60 bit it'd be good.

Any deadlines on the rest of the nonsense-sections? :D

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Slow and steady, I would rather leave them in another day with the templates than be accused of being hasty. Under that same issue, can you source a developer or the S60 code sharing comment?

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Actually, in both the maemo.org announcement citation a sentence before and Quim's blog a sentence after. :D

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Looks like InternetMeme did us the favor of splitting the articles (InternetMeme, do you haunt here?), so we now have maemo (thanks, also, to InternetMeme the faceless IP for that cool {{lowercase}} trick) which covers the maemo project and SDK, and Internet Tablet OS, which covers just ITOS.

It also looks like someone besides Brontide stepped in to remove the nonsense "Possible Use of Internet Tablet OS on Phones" section. Many thanks! Security still needs some love, though.

As it stands, the maemo articles is in need of the most care. We still need somebody to step in and clean up and expand the SDK section. If you need to go technical, go technical. The rest of us can distill it down later if need be. We could also really use a history section on the maemo page, but I haven't been able to dig up any good references to work from.

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Anybody willing to confirm this:
3rd party media players can access GStreamer directly or via "osso-media-server".[citation needed]?

I'm sure it's true but I'm not so sure on the osso-media-server part.

Meanwhile (no pun intended),
I've added Internet Tablet OS to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircrack-ng page. I didn't just want to say N800 because it's too specific and runs on 770, N8*0.

I'd appriciate (spelling) it if someone adds http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/ as a reference.

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Thanks, InternetMeme, wherever you are! I was ascared to try the split myself, and the lowercase trick is indeed quite spiffy.

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I generally do it like this:

But I'm not sure if that's entirely "correct", and whether it'd be worthwhile for somebody to go through and use the citation template instead.

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Hey, that sounds like my sort of thing. If you'd like, keep making your references the quick way, and I'll follow along behind and convert them as I have time.

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OK, started merging the software sections into the main article. Still a little messy right now. I'm gonna leave the 770 and N800 articles as they are for the time being, at least until the main article gets up to speed.

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Don't think that was him; or else he forgot to log in.

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Ah, right you are. Faceless IP. Well then, thanks to Mr. Anonymous IP!

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Little more improvement. I changed all the relevant links to maemo over to Internet Tablet OS (and cleaned up a lot of stuff around those links :\), so everything should point to the right place now. Still could use a History section for the maemo article.

Digging around the Special:WhatLinksHere/Maemo page I noticed some of maemo-related articles are in particular need of attention. Articles like Canola, FBReader, Scratchbox, Hildon, etc. So I was thinking, since the forums and the talk pages over on wikipedia pretty much suck for any sort of real coordination. So I started pondering on what we might use that would be better. Initially I was thinking maybe a WikiProject, but that is obviously much larger in scope than what we're after. Reading up, I found out about Task Forces, which would be exactly the right fit.

So it looks like a "maemo" task force under the Linux WikiProject would be appropriate. Question is, do we have enough interested people to get something going (5-10 is a good number)?

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Added an Internet Tablet to make linking to the devices easier "Nokia [[Internet Tablets]]" instead of "[[Nokia 770]], [[Nokia N800|N800]], and [[Nokia N810|N810]] Internet Tablets". It also provides a nice overview of everything (well, will, once it starts to not suck).

For now, it's very light on everything, but it's there and anybody's help fleshing it out, citing stuff and fixing it up is (as always! :)) much appreciated. Anyway, I'm going to bed. ;)

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More updates, the Internet Tablet OS section has been cleaned up quite a bit. Thumperward stepped in as a neutral party to clean up the Security section and things are currently looking up. Many thanks to everyone involved!

Despite the impressive improvements to the Internet Tablet OS article, the maemo article is still suffering after the split. Please, please, [i]please[i] could we get someone with good knowledge of the architecture and setup of maemo in there to expand the SDK section of the article? We could also use a bit of history and background for the maemo project, too.

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Thanks GA, I would be willing to be part of the Task Force, but I'm not sure how much time I would be able to contribute. I was the one that started to go through some of the sub pages and tagged canola as out-of-date.

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I'd be willing, but I know so little about wikipedia editing...

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As they say there is no deadline. I'm not worried about a big time investment from anybody. Even if you only have the free time to fix a misplaced comma or two once a week, it's still useful to have an extra pair of eyes and another few pounds of gray matter occasionally looking over things.

Yes, thank you. Getting everything tagged and the problem areas marked is a particularly helpful first step towards improvement.

Well, the good news is that it's fairly easy to pick up as you go along. ;) You can get a good overview here and links to more good articles here. Edits will, of course, be eyeballed by a number of editors who can correct any mistakes, and wikipedia is very tolerant of newbie mistakes.

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OK, held off on the update spam for a while, but I figure it's been long enough. ;)

Still more expansion and improvement on the Internet Tablet OS article, it's actually starting to look pretty decent now!

Few minor edits and improvements elsewhere, but nothing major. I put in a request for information for a maemo task force in the WikiProject Linux page—we'll see if it actually goes anywhere, things seem a bit dead.

Started work on a release history chart, but lack of date information on releases and incomplete version information on OS2005 releases in particular is making things hard. I was hoping to get something out of thoughtfix's timeline, but he didn't get that detailed.

If anybody knows all the dates and wants to fix the version numbers on OS2005 (and the OS2006 beta), it'd be much appreciated. Also need to fix and expand the release notes.

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OK, the release history chart is up, thanks to a lot of help from Jaffa and milhouse.

On another front the move to the new mediawiki is ongoing on maemo.org, and dneary, X-Fade, Jaffa, Navi, myself and others have been working on getting things rolling. To that end, I started what I'm preliminarily calling the 'Maemowiki Action Group' (if you've got a better name, I'm all ears ;)), so join up and help out! I'm hoping to make it into a central organization point for all maemowiki improvement.

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I'd say "Maemowiki Action Generating Group Or Team". That's what you get for seeking input. :p

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Well, just got done updating most of the Maemo articles on wikipedia to comply with the new branding (thanks, brontide, for fixing my block!). Should mostly be in good shape, though I may have missed some things, so I'd appreciate it if some interested folks could go give it a once-over.

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While reading the articel on Wikipedia, I've added a reference to What is maemo. This gives a great overview of the plattform.