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cybic 2008-04-13 06:10

Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Hello,


just need an advice.

My problems are:

1. When typing on the onscreen keyboart it sometimes press a completely false button... For example, i tap "x" and get "p". It happens not often, but it is annoing.

2. I cant calibrate my screen, in the upper parts after holding the stylos for a long time tapped, the ring which appears is not with my stylos in the middle... Difficult to explain.

So should i visit the nokia support or is it normal ?

GeraldKo 2008-04-13 06:15

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Not sure what you're saying on the calibration, but you just do a quick tap, lightly, in each of the 4 "targets: -- it sounds like you're holding the stylus against the target for a length of time.

cybic 2008-04-13 07:06

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
I know HOW to calibrate the touchscreen. One of the problems is, that this calibration doesnīt help me :(

If you open your browser, switch to a full screen modus and tap and hold your stylus near the upper left corner - the you see if your stylus is exactly in the middle of the ring.

I just want to know - is it normal, that the stylus is always not in the middle of the ring?

And the second question was about tapping on the onscreen keyboard - anybody the same problem, like tapping an "x" and getting "p" instead? Not often, just sometimes... Seams like the digitizer is not correctly responding...

vvaz 2008-04-13 07:24

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
No, thats not normal but some touchscreens are defective. Sometimes flash helps (but not me).

chrisak 2008-04-13 07:26

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybic (Post 169104)
And the second question was about tapping on the onscreen keyboard - anybody the same problem, like tapping an "x" and getting "p" instead? Not often, just sometimes... Seams like the digitizer is not correctly responding...

Yes.

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cybic 2008-04-13 08:11

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisak (Post 169111)
Yes.

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So itīs NOT normal, I should bring it to the NOKIA store?:confused:

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-13 08:46

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybic (Post 169116)
So itīs NOT normal, I should bring it to the NOKIA store?:confused:

Generally speaking, these issues are driver/software related and mostly new with OS2008 and mostly (apparently, anyway) fixed with Diablo.

So, no, it's not usually a hardware issue.

chrisak 2008-04-13 08:49

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Yes, meaning my screen sometimes behaves exactly as you describe. In fact, it just now happened (heh, and again) when tapping the last period (and then the 'n' in happened)

So is this normall? I don't know. But crap like that double (last 'u' didd it) L back there, and again wiith that D annd "I" and N" geez, tthis can go on forever -- this happens enough to be annoying.

Anyway, perhaps this will be fixed in a future software update.

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-13 08:57

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisak (Post 169122)
So is this normall? I don't know. But crap like that double (last 'u' didd it) L back there, and again wiith that D annd "I" and N" geez, tthis can go on forever -- this happens enough to be annoying.

People have variously reported success with one of two calibrations methods. The first, calibrating with very light touches of the stylus. The second, calibrating with very hard* touches of the stylus.

Light seems to be more successful for more people, but, as this issue seems to stem a lot from the excessive variability in touchscreen sensitivity between tablets, your mileage may vary.

*Please try not to break your tablet's screen.

cybic 2008-04-13 10:01

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Ok, the strange tapping problem is clear now... But whatīs about the circle?

When I tap and hold my stylos in the full screen mode in my browser in the middle of the screen, the stylos is just right in the middle of the appearing circle! But in the right upper corner itīs under the middle, in the left upper corner its higher then the middle, and so on...

So, sometimes i have some problems to tap a link in a page!

Is this normal?

cybic 2008-04-13 10:22

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Ok, got a solution:

When I want to calibrate my screen in a correct way, then i have to put my stylus a little bit higher and a bit to the right side from the middle of the second cross in the calibration utility...

Hmm...

I donīt think itīs realy ok, so what would you do? Is it important to calibrate in a correct way? Will it get even worse someday?

tabletrat 2008-04-13 11:45

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169121)
Generally speaking, these issues are driver/software related and mostly new with OS2008 and mostly (apparently, anyway) fixed with Diablo.

So, no, it's not usually a hardware issue.

That is worrying as someone who is getting a 810 soon. You are saying that the default OS on the 810 doesn't work properly with the screen? So they have broken what worked on the previous 800 and 770 (and every previous touchsceen device)?
And also that it can't be fixed without upgrading to a currently non-available operating system?

I wish I knew this before I ordered my 810, as I wouldn't have got it.

tabletrat 2008-04-13 11:46

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybic (Post 169135)
Ok, got a solution:

When I want to calibrate my screen in a correct way, then i have to put my stylus a little bit higher and a bit to the right side from the middle of the second cross in the calibration utility...

Hmm...

I donīt think itīs realy ok, so what would you do? Is it important to calibrate in a correct way? Will it get even worse someday?

No, that is not acceptable. I would return something that did that as not fit for purpose. I wouldn't accept that defect on an expensive device (well, I wouldn't accept it on a cheap device either).

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-13 11:55

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169145)
That is worrying as someone who is getting a 810 soon. You are saying that the default OS on the 810 doesn't work properly with the screen?

It's nowhere near as bad as you seem to think it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169145)
And also that it can't be fixed without upgrading to a currently non-available operating system?

Diablo is maybe a month or two away, so I don't really see the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169145)
I wish I knew this before I ordered my 810, as I wouldn't have got it.

It's not nearly as bad as you seem to think and Diablo is only a month or two away.

No point in losing your head over a minor bug. :)

tabletrat 2008-04-13 17:36

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169149)
It's nowhere near as bad as you seem to think it is.

If as you suggested, the software prevents the touch screen from functioning (ie, making it hard to select something on the screen), how is that not bad?


Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169149)
Diablo is maybe a month or two away, so I don't really see the issue.

Maybe, but Diablo being a month or two away is not a release schedule, it is a guess on your part.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169149)
It's not nearly as bad as you seem to think and Diablo is only a month or two away.

Yes, got that the first time thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169149)
No point in losing your head over a minor bug. :)

you didn't describe it as a minor bug. It is registering a position on the screen, not rocket science.

Underscore 2008-04-13 17:46

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Tabletrat, really it's not a big deal. There's been maybe three times in total where I've pressed a button on the keyboard and another key was selected. The wrong key wasn't even entered, it was more of a "mouseover" event. I thought I was the only one with this problem but apparently not. But hey, life still goes on. In the three or four times that this has happened in the past month I've had my n800, I wouldn't call it a critical bug. It seems the original poster is having more than software issues though. It's probably a hardware bug if it happens that often.

GeneralAntilles 2008-04-14 00:52

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169228)
If as you suggested, the software prevents the touch screen from functioning (ie, making it hard to select something on the screen), how is that not bad?

But that's just it, it doesn't make it difficult to select stuff on screen. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169228)
Maybe, but Diablo being a month or two away is not a release schedule, it is a guess on your part.

No, that's the release schedule . . . "Q2 2008"

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabletrat (Post 169228)
you didn't describe it as a minor bug. It is registering a position on the screen, not rocket science.

Have you ever programmed a touchscreen driver? ;)

tabletrat 2008-04-14 17:16

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169380)
But that's just it, it doesn't make it difficult to select stuff on screen. :)

ok, I got the impression that it did from the post. If not, fair enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169380)
No, that's the release schedule . . . "Q2 2008"

Ah yes. The release schedule. They are never wrong! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 169380)
Have you ever programmed a touchscreen driver? ;)

Yes, several times going back quite a long way. I have always had an interest in touchscreens, and drivers are not always available, or at least were less common until this century.

kstromjensen 2008-04-16 00:26

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
Sometimes when I turn my n810 on, the touch screen is spot on, and sometimes it's very unresponsive (basically unusable) and doing a calibration only gives me ~30 seconds of use before it's off again.

I'm willing to wait for a software fix, but I'm worried it might be better to exchange it for a new one while I still can. Are these screen problems really common or just on some units with troublesome screens?

Thanks

Makurosu 2008-04-17 00:05

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
I'm having this problem on my 770. I've had it for over a year, and it just started doing it today. It only happens in the lower-right quadrant of the screen though. When I run the screen calibration tool in control panel, I'm able to tap targets 1 and 2, but on 3 it tells me to tap closer to the center of the target even though I'm dead on.

I tried removing the battery for 30 seconds and replacing it. Then I flashed the device with the most recent OS2006, but the problem persists. Any ideas?

ace 2008-04-18 21:31

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
My n800 with OS2008 has this problem :(

It makes it hard to hit links and leads to typos with the onscreen keyboard. Intentionally miscalibrating the screen has helped, but it's still not quite correct.

geneven 2008-04-18 22:04

Re: Trouble with touchscreen, need advice
 
So the upshot is that if you add the hypothetical problems to the problems with different hardware and the problems that might exist when a device that has been ordered gets here, it could be really serious!


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