discontinued?
 

Is Nokia truly discontinuing the N800??

Unless they can quickly drop the N810 to the same price point, I think it's a big mistake....

Re: discontinued?
 

Yes (to both questions).

Re: discontinued?
 

Looks like it is on the way out
http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=168513


Same for Expansys UK

Re: discontinued?
 

There's no absolute proof it's been completely discontinued.

Re: discontinued?
 

It seems to be disappearing from most on-line vendors and distributors here in the US. Nokia's web site also says 'not available in your location'. A Nokia rep I got on the phone wouldn't outright say it was discontinued, but they didn't think they'd be getting any more in and offered me a deal on the N810 instead.

I'd like to think the N800 will be sticking around at a low price point, but all evidence seems to be pointing to the contrary.

Re: discontinued?
 

It's going, going, gone. Nokia hasn't officially said it's discontinued, but if it looks like a duck...

Re: discontinued?
 

My point is directly to those claiming absolutely that it has been discontinued, ie, speaking on the company's behalf. I don't take issue with the speculation, and don't disagree with the logic-- just the specific unofficial "spokespersons". ;)

Re: discontinued?
 

I did not claim absolutely. What I said was “looks like it is on the way out”!

Expansys says “Availability: Discontinued
This product has been discontinued, the information below is for reference purposes only”
The Expansys statement applies to both USA and UK. As a major specialist retailer shouldn’t they should be in a position to know? What makes you think that you know more than Expansys? I get it, even if you did you couldn’t tell us, right? Why am I so sick of hearing that, I wonder.

Furthermore it is not currently available to be purchased direct from Nokia in a number of territories including USA and Ireland.

Anyway, when did Nokia formally announce that it had discontinued the N770? I missed that declaration, where’s the absolute proof that it's been completely discontinued ?

Yes, discontinued.
 

What game are you exactly playing, Texrat? Do you consider it your duty to tell everyone that the N800 has not been discontinued? Earlier this year, when the stocks were already running low in Europe but the US still had inventory, you were posturing that the N800 had not been discontinued and that Nokia would keep the 2 devices in parallel, to have 2 tablets at different price points. Just a few weeks after that, the N800 was out of stock at all European Nokia stores. Now it is out of stock at most US stores.

To put everything in context, you also claim to have contacts at Nokia and to have some direct information, but usually under some form of NDA.

I regret to have to say this, but considering that the N800 is now out of stock about everywhere on the planet, it looks like you are not telling us the truth.


The interested reader can check the whole story by using the search function of the forum on your i.d. The interested reader can also check whether or not the N800 is still available in European Nokia stores.

Re: discontinued?
 

Mouse in your pocket, Rebski? I didn't name you, and wasn't referring to any of your comments that I've seen. If you didn't commit the offense, then no need to jump, right? And I'm not gonmna address your rank sarcasm and antagonism, sorry... that's beyond old. :rolleyes:

Take a chill pill yourself, Jerome.

I'm under no obligation either way on this topic. I'm simply trying to point out specifics. You don't speak for the company, yet you acted as if you did when you replied to the OP that the N800 is certainly being discontinued. This implies you have direct knowledge. If you do so, fine: then I call your bluff. Where does it come from? And I don't mean the trail of evidence cited-- absolute statements require hard proof, not just a preponderance of evidence.

Others, like Rebski (who got a bit carried away in his reply above), are simply using deductive reasoning to hazard a guess. That's cool. But a big difference between that and your post.

As for my credentials, they're readily available in scattered posts here, and I don't feel an overwhelming urge to prove who I am or what I know at the moment, sorry. :p Suffice to say my involvement with the internet tablets goes beyond "contacts" and "NDAs". ;)

Re: discontinued?
 

Official position from Nokia:

Dear Bunanson,

Thank you for e-mailing the Nokia Care Contact Center.

We apologize for the delay in responding to your e-mail message and greatly appreciate your patience.

We understand that you would like to know if the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet is discontinued.

Bunanson, the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet is not discontinued. You can purchase this tablet by calling Nokia's Sales Department at 1-888-665-4228 or by visiting our web site, www.nokiausa.com.

We hope this information is helpful to you.

If you have any additional questions, please contact us. To ensure proper handling, please continue to use the current subject line.

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-----Original Message-----

From: bunanson(nospam.com)@yahoo.com
Sent: 12/3/2007 01:38:35 PM
To: nokiausa.customercare@nokia.com
Subject: Other
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Can not get any more official than this.


bun

Re: discontinued?
 

pure conjecture here...but is you wife by chance an employee

Re: discontinued?
 

I think its to obviously boost sales of N810. N800 has same hardware, runs same OS. I don't really care if it's discontinued (note, I have only N800 and only N800) as long as software updates are still available for as long as the N810 gets them.

Nokia UK still stock 770 which has different hardware.

Re: discontinued?
 

Isn't that from 12/07? Nokia's US site certainly doesn't have the N800 available today, and they have not had them as far as I know for weeks. The sales department steered me to a N810. Though they did not come right out and say the N800 was discontinued - but she strongly suggested it could be.

Re: discontinued?
 

:D bwahahahahahaha!!!



no.

Re: discontinued?
 

Checking Nokia USA site says that N800 is "Out of stock.".

Also when you open the "Find products" tab you can see both N810 and N810 Wimax edition, but no sign of N800. You have to specially search N800 to find it... (In other words, Nokia no longer wants people to find and buy N800... they rather sell you N810.)

So my take (not official) is that N800 is no longer in production. Whatever is left in various warehouses/stocks, that's all what is left.

Re: discontinued?
 

And maybe I need to add something, because a few people have completely miscontrued my statements on the subject (this is not the first time it's come up here): I am not taking a position either way on the availability or continuance/discontinuance. I'm simply saying that at this point it's still conjecture (there are, after all, other factors that could conceivably lead to the present situation described) and that absolute statements provided by anyone other than someone high up or otherwise delegated with the proper responsibility are not official.

Re: discontinued?
 

well at least you laughed...better than my kids....well the n800 will be at least found easliy enough on ebay....

Re: discontinued?
 

Did anyone define what "discontinued" means in this case?

Few possibilities:
- Discontinued production.
- Discontinued sales.
- Discontinued support/repair.

What N800 may be in is the step 1 on this scale...

For reference, 770 is more or less in step 3. (If you have 770, and it breaks, they will give you N800 if still in warranty. If not in warranty, they will offer you a replacement to N800 with some certain amount of money... Also there are no more software update promises for 770 outside Hacker Editions.)

Re: discontinued?
 

it seems the place i ordered some replasement styluses from have trouble getting a restock...

Re: discontinued?
 

I agree with this logic. I don't believe it is in Nokia's best interests to officially announce that they are discontinuing a product--it could have a significant negative impact on sales of the remaining devices. We all know they have a product path for these devices and it is logical to assume that they are content to let the old devices drop off while the new ones are introduced to replace them. Ebay will likely be the place to buy if you still want an N800.

Re: discontinued?
 

It has already dissapeared in Germany around January. I orderd it from 2 Online distributors and never received one :/

Now i am waiting for the next gen Tablet or the Pandora

Re: discontinued?
 

OK, I think I am beginning to grasp the semantics here.

Production stops, there is no intention of ever restarting but an official announcement to this effect is never made (for self serving reasons). So the pedantic argument insists that it is not discontinued simply because Nokia has never said so, but then Nokia is never going to say so.

The parrot is not dead, its resting.

Re: discontinued?
 

Man, I can never get enough sarcasm. That's the only reason I even hang out here any more.

:D

Re: discontinued?
 

really i thought it was to enrich us newbies....

Re: discontinued?
 

Nah, I gave up on that months ago. Just ignore any posts that make it look like I'm helpful. I think I do those in my sleep.

Re: discontinued?
 

It's discontinued. Few retailers list it anymore.

Re: discontinued?
 

No it is not sarcasm.

My mobile phone is a Nokia 6310i and is nearly 6 years old. It is my understanding that it is obsolete. However, if I search Nokia web sites, I cannot find any statement of it being discontinued. My suspicion is that Nokia simply does not make such announcements.

Is my assumption incorrect?

If so, perhaps you would be kind enough to direct me to the Nokia resource where I might find official announcements of discontinued models.

Re: discontinued?
 

I worked for a software company years ago and we made the mistake of discontinuing products with a formal announcement. It never worked out because 1). it put our customers in play for our competitors, 2). it limited what we could do with those products (we actually had to un-discontinue or re-continue a few products to cover gaps in our product offerings), and 3). generally angered and confused our customers.

I think that the strategy followed is to provide an upgrade path with a solid story as to why your customers should move down that path, and then quietly stop working on the old products. While you can still get limited support for old phones, etc., notice that things like firmware upgrades and advanced drivers just are not around.

Re: discontinued?
 

As others have pointed out, Nokia never, ever makes official statements about discontinued products. I still have a Nokia 2110, I don't think it has ever been officially discontinued.

Maybe I ow you an apology. You are not just simply not telling the truth, you are deliberately misleading the members of this forum.

Re: discontinued?
 

i think we've beat this dead horse enough

Re: discontinued?
 

Yeah, well, duh. :rolleyes:

I've come to believe his actual title within Nokia is something along the lines of "Official Super Obfuscater of Doom". . . . :p

Around here? Nah. Dead horses are never dead enough . . . eternal vigilance is the only way to be ready for the zombies.

Re: discontinued?
 

There may have been serious intent underlying what you said, but it was most assuredly sarcastic.

And I have questions, too: do all manufacturers announce discontinuance of products? Who does? Who doesn't? Serious rats wanna know!

Re: discontinued?
 

Really? How so? Do explain! Thanks.

Re: discontinued?
 

Sounds alot like someone didn't have their Kool-Aid today..

Re: discontinued?
 

Kool-Aid-- feh!

As soon as the pizza gets here I'm following root beer with a big glass of red wine. :D

Re: discontinued?
 

Did bunanson ever disclaim owning an N810w? The answer is NO! Why? Cause nobody ask me. The logic is, if you want to know about Nokia's production plan, ask Nokia. Simple.

Now, accusing our favorite member of "deliberately misleading" is a big statement. Just like CSI/movie/TV/drama I "learned", what is the motivation? None. Case closed. The accusation has no merit and thus, zero value.

bun

Re: discontinued?
 

No motivation? Pish! There's plenty of motivation, just look at him laughing maniacally and grinning like an idiot over there. . . . :p ;)

Re: discontinued?
 

Pish! I'm just enjoying pizza and wings.

Re: discontinued?
 

so i can keep making obviously ignored remarks....cool and i speak more than 1 language....when your a parent you have to learn alot....