Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Hei briand :)

You are a user. We tried helping them, they don't listen. They have a lot of problems in their architecture, they are for sure widely used by they will loose momemtum because of the way the community is lead. But what I'm saying is:

Is too much work. We don't have man power. MythTV is not widely used by our target users to justify the free development of that. So if I have to do priorities, unfortunately we will support the STANDARD, not a solution. So, lot's of small UPNP servers do work better in streaming this than the monster mtv became.

I told you: it was 3 years ! dev for mythTV like. We did Maemo Myth, mythTV for the VideoCenter, gMyth, python bindings... we even invited the guys to the conference so we could get more people working.. on it..
all in Vain.

marcelo

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Nah, it works in the built in media player.

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

I can confirm that flac files served with mediatomb and gmediaserver show up in mediastreamer. When I go to an album with flac files in the Canola plug-in, it says "no items found". Hope this helps.

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Hi Mudhoney : i just check, our upnp plugin is not adding the flac mime type.
I will see if we can add this without side effects.

Briand :
I missed a little bit this part. Come one dude, we know that we have flaws. We know that we can make the plugin work adapting to mythTV faults. But we like to do things the right way not hacks. If we cannot help them (because they are not easy inclined to change, and because it's a mess) it's complicated for us. Put that together with the fact that a regular users will never be able to use it correctly (it's just a nightmare sometimes to install and configure it) then you have part of the equation.

Then check MorpheuZ profile. He is the media guy on canola, and has more experience in developing with MythTV than you can imagine, and sorry if we say that about it, it's not defending the plugin, but sharing our experiences with MythTV usage, development and hopes that went underwater because of the way it's done.

Mark my words: other linux project will override mythTV in the future, because the way it is today is simply not right.

Marcelo

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

My media player is also empty :)

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

sorry, I'm just calling them as I see them. I'm not here to evangelize MythTV or any other software. If Canola won't work with MythTV, and you're happy with that, then that is your decision. I'm only reporting what I saw.

One thing I did fail to point out in my previous post, though: The "networked media" (ie: my MythTV system) shows up in the built-in File Manager; It can't see (or, I'm not patient enough to wait to see if it sees) the audio files, but it does list out the available Videos and Recorded Programs. If I double-click on an entry in the recorded programs, it "slide-shows" on me (probably because they're recorded at a fairly high bit rate).

Each and every item in the Videos folder opens via File Manager, and plays (via mplayer) fine on the tablet. So, there's obviously no issue with the file format of the videos, and apparently the UPNP support (okay, let's call it 'networked media support') in the File Manager has no real issue in figuring out the metadata it is fed, and allowing me to access the media. This would indicate that there isn't any low-lying, fundamental "problem" with the UPNP implementation in MythTV, wouldn't it?

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

I am confirming this problem with Fuppes Version: SVN-r578 running on XP. Almost every time Canola2 crashes while accessing Fuppes.

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Unm, On XP? ok we will setup a machine to test it!

Marcelo Oliveira

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Well, that's the difference between assume things and doing them :)
The regular browsing uses GnomeVFS, so it actually copies the file to the harddisk and then start streaming from this file not the network (what would be the correct thing to do) so they do have this advantage, but the point is :(don't worry about canola) get the URI and throw in mplayer. It must play there than we can improve our side.

What I can say to you is what you've find out : if we downloaded the media, it would work, but that's not the right way to do it. call us purist or whatever, but we will not do it. If mythTV supports good enough the protocol, the support will be natural. If the bug is on our side it will be tested and depured yes. But we will not modify to work solely with it. That's the point. It's not passing our flaws to mythTV.

My final summary : :)

- What I would like to let clear is : we will not "enter" in the quest to provide good and full support (official) to mythTV, because we know the size of the hole. Indeed can be used (I told you, we had a lot of work in the videocenter application, exactly in the mythTV, so we know the size of the hole here ! : ) and to say "we support mythTV" is something that I cannot afford.

But in the end, like in the other things: if you are not satisfied, you have the choice of the other applications, that's the beauty of open source! :) and your money back of course (joking)

Marcelo

Re: Canola beta9 UPNP (0.1.0 Alpha Release) Known issues, Bugs Feedback! Please Test
 

Marcelo --

Again, I'm not here to perpetuate an argument, or to convince you to do something you don't want to do.

I do take issue with you dismissing, wholesale, issues I've found with your plug-in, simply because my UPNP server happens to be MythTV, and casting dispersions on MythTV and assuming the issue must be with MythTV because (a) they have sloppy code, and (b) their programmers are rude, arrogant, or difficult to get along with.

I don't accept that (a) is a given, and don't generally agree with (b), either (with a few notable exceptions).

Nokia's built-in File Manager "sees" my media server, and it'll (apparently) pass the network URL to the media player and I can view a media stream from my MythTV box to my N800. The file is not copied, en masse, (as you stated, above) to the device and then played; it is streamed.

In the specific instance of my Videos folder, all of the videos are capable of being played on the N800 with no intermediary adjustment in resolution or bitrate. They will all play (via streaming) by double-tapping them in the File Manager.

Attempting to do the same thing in Canola causes the application (Canola) to immediately and completely exit, upon trying to "enter" the Videos "folder", before it ever attempts to display a list.

I don't agree with your conclusion that this must be due to some "non-standard" UPNP implementation in MythTV -- tools on the tablet itself (File Manager, Media Player, and mplayer) obviously have no issue in parsing the returned information or, in the case of the media players, handling the incoming stream. The logical conclusion, given this information, is that Canola is having some difficulty that the built-in tools on the NIT apparently do not have, so the fault must lie within Canola and/or its plug-in.

I was hoping Canola would provide me with an nicer interface than the File Manager currently allows, so that I could occasionally serve media from my MythTV system to my NIT. It is clear, through your replies in this thread and your invitation for me to "go elsewhere", that I should not hold my breath waiting for this to happen. Okay, I won't. I'll suffer through the pedestrian interface provided by the File Manager, and I'll take you up on your invitation.

I wish you success with your software.