Clay: It wasn't so much the "This is a BETA" as much as the "use at your own risk, we assume no responsibility for anything that may happen".

dattani98: Most likely there's a swap partition on your RSMMC card, I've had varying degrees of success with Windows being able to see non FAT/NTFS partitions. Best bet is to get a linux boot CD/disk, run fdisk, and remove all partition data. If you're stuck in Windows, partition magic or the like should do it. www.tucows.com should have a load of free software to destroy partition tables with.

I posted earlier today about a screen problem I have developed after updating to OS 2006 Beta (post #139, page 14). I have taken some photos and posted them to http://www.iol.ie/~bom/nokia770/
Best not to bother looking unless you have broadband as the photos are big. Any thoughts as to whether this is a hardware screen problem or an OS 2006 Beta problem? Thanks.
Bom

try flashing it back to 2005 OS
if your screen stays like this, well then it is a hardware problem

:( im sorry to tell you that, but i had exactly the same fault a few weeks ago. :(

Cheers hedge

Some problems I have with the new OS:

Video player will not play some of the video that previously played on the old OS. They're 2+hour video (movie).

I use to be able to connect to the internet using my nokia 6600 phone (gprs). I had the 5.99 tmobileweb plan. After the update, it didn't work. I thought I set it up wrong, so I did a restore to my settings and select that, it still didn't work. Deleted it and recreating it...still no go. I can surf on my phone fine so I know it's not the phone. I'm tempted to flash back to see if it works.

Another thing is that it takes forever to find my access point, sometimes 2 or 3 refresh before it sees it. Of course I have wpa-psk, mac filter, and hide SSID. With just wep encryption on it finds it right away, but who wants that. :)

When using the file manager I get "updating" in the top right hand corner, and sometimes it just stuck there updating. Also I get the word "refreshing" or "searching" stuck in the right hand corner also. Sometimes I have to reboot to get rid of it.

Locks up a lot....sort of like when the 770 first came out, web browser closes more often.

Now before everyone scream BETA and I shouldn't complain, I think that is precisely what you suppose to do with a beta. You have to say what's wrong with it so nokia can straighten it out before final release to the public. Besides that I really like the new OS.

Actually, I believe this is incorrect. The flashing api on the device, something called NOLO, did get an upgrade in the new OS. This is why the new flasher is required.

I agree pretty much with everyone's insight so far...

Big pluses for me:
+You don't have to choose an AP every damn time you open a browser window; you can choose to have it connect auto to a list of chosen WLAN's.

+Much "snappier". Menu's pop-up faster, things react quicker, the "feel" is a HUGE improvement. I'm sure the virtual memory extension will make this even better, but I won't risk messing with that right now.

+You can re-arrange the applets on your Home page (ie. clock, internet radio, etc), and there is an option to add additional ones (which of course isn't yet supported; it's BETA).

The only negatives I can think of are that not THAT many people use GoogleTalk, you can't have extended contact info like phone #'s and stuff, and the browser crashes sometimes.

But big deal, the device is so much more usable now! :D I'm sure it's not long now before minor inconveniences/bugs are fixed and apps are ported to the new OS.

P.S. I flashed using this method:

(Worked in about 2 minutes, props to whoever posted that earlier in the thread)

All valid bugs ... I can confirm most of them. However, they will likely not be seen by anyone who can do anything about them unless you report them in https://maemo.org/bugzilla/
That is where they can be effectively tracked and not slip though the cracks.

If more people filled out bugs or submitted their details to matching bugs there rather than whining on forums that they got poked by the pointy bits they were forewarned about, the final release will be that much better. Filling out proper bug reports in the proper place is a *huge* way anyone (including non-developers) can contribute to the open source process.

I wondered why mine wouldn't work! I was trying to follow those same steps I had seen for OSX, but that last little bit you added regarding "chmod", that explaind why i couldn't run the flasher from Terminal.

Oh well - I used the GUI flasher for Mac OSX that was done by Mr. AFlegg...worked perefectly, this is the tool I always use for updates. I believe his tool does the same thing as typing in the Terminal command, except it's made for Linux "know-nothings" like me...

Maybe he can make his tool available for download, I couldn't find it anymore...I just happened to have a copy of it...

(In reply to post #100, page 10.)

Ah cool. I got it set up on my computer, but I'm going to wait for the final release of the 2006 OS before trying it on the 770.

If someone else wants to try the same thing, here is a helpful link:
http://www.jabber.org/user/userguide/ , sections 3, 5, 12, 13. For section 12 I used prolly.org.

Andrew-

I could have sworn that I didn't install any of the multiplayer games (I think the only game I installed was maemodrac) but I could be wrong.

BTW, do you have the source code for your vim port available? I tried to check your site but it appears to be down.

Brad.

I can confirm that, apart from all the bugs etc. that I already read here, I can connect to GTalk only using a phone and not through my WLAN access.

Already tried switching router firewall off, no results.

Now, I would like to know whether someone of you know which is the STUN server and its port, so that I could try setting manually (whatever it is...)

I flashed mine with the latest Windows flasher utility from Nokia - worked without any problems - so do you think this means I'm missing part fo the upgade? Maybe not every part of it got flashed (e.g. maybe there was a radio firmware update that I'm not benefiting from?)

Seems to work fine though (the odd crash as everyone else seems to be reporting, but overall doesn't seem to have suffered from being flashed in Windows..

EDIT: Oh wait - I just realised you were referring to flashing back to 2005 OS...

Has anyone else succeeded in flashing with the windows Util? I told a friend to do the same - also no problems...

Yes, I posted all that in a Mac section I added to the HOWTO a long time back - I did wonder why some helpful person removed it ;)

(some sort of attempt at aggregating the Mac and Linux sections or something IIRC - think I may have changed it back to my old instructions once, but I couldn't be bothered getting involved in a wiki war, so I left it be in the end - guess more people have been fiddling in there since :D)

HHere is what I wonder - how am I supposed to use my Think
Outside keyboard ? It no longer works.

The nokia windows update let me install the beta. It won't allow me to roll back to an earlier version. 'Error 3' as reported by at least one other.

So... clay, Have you Tried to use the linux flasher to roll back to the 2005 os?

OK, well that seems to fit with what someone posted earlier about the NOLO update.

Your easiest way to get linux up and running would probably be to use one of the ready to go disk images for VMware player (free).

Ubuntu (here) might be your best bet - in fact I think this one's wrapped up as an 'appliance' i.e. a standandalone virtual machine so you don't even have to install Player separately - it's just ready to go unless I'm mistaken (I'd try it out for you, but I'm down to just a few 100 meg disk space :rolleyes: ).

Gnuite, could you port Maemo Mapper as soon as possible, thank you!

Everything is a lot faster, I have swap enabled and its a breeze. I have had a couple of crashes but boot ups are faster. One thing I didn't see mentioned was that when Opera crashed, I got a notice from the OS asking me did I want to close it, this is a very good sign!!

I haven't tested VOIP yet, but I am going to soon. I hope Nokia release the Repository for apps soon, linked in the Garage at Maemo. For people who want to connect to Yahoo!, IRC, AOL (AIM), MSN etc.... see: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/go...msn-yahoo.html

Please port all those lovely 2005 apps! Thanks!

Works great with the 770 on your lap and using fingertips to stab at the letters - you can type quite fast that way.
But when holding the 770 in your hands, I've found a slight issue with it: fairly frequently it doesn't register a letter but still plays the 'tap' sound effect so you don't notice you've missed a letter until you're just about to press return.

While I'm here, I might as well run with it :)
I initially thought I'd really like to see a Tab key on the main page of the finger keyboard - so you can tab through input fields? Maybe there's no point though because you wouldn't always know for sure the tab order on the page was sensible... :rolleyes:
They could get really clever about it and have the field name shown at the top (say in a small font?), so you enter your Name, tab through to the next field, which turns out to be Surname, then Middle name, if the tab order is a bit wonky etc.
That would depend on the site being at least vaguely accessible (in the DDA meaning)/standards compliant (i.e. with it's input forms properly labelled in the source with proper title attributes etc), but most sites make a good go at that these days, so it should work in most cases...
(Disclaimer: I test web applications for a living :D )

I love this phrase.

Awesome. I was going to ask about this.

The email client seems better (even if it does a poor job of organizing multiple accounts). However, tapping and holding on the scoll bar pops up what appears to be an empty menu and tapping and holding on the column headings in the inbox causes the program to quit (although that might be a feature -- "undocumented fast termination?").

Amusingly, the page you created to document the problem you found caused my 770 to lock up entirely. I eventually had to pull out the battery in order to recover, which I've never needed to do before. Proof, I guess, that this is, indeed, a beta version of the OS.

Hm... as I'm tapping this post I'm finding that not only did they rearrange the old "small keys" virtual keyboard (some good changes, like putting the quotation mark under the apostrophe) but they seem to have altered the "tap and slide" behavior slightly. Ch-ch-ch-changes!

Yeah, the pairing definitely seems improved. I haven't been able to get my 770 to actually make the dial-up connection yet, though. Are you using the full name@sprintpcs.com username and password? The Clie I've been using recently only needed the name part of name@sprintpcs.com and no password, but that doesn't seem to be working. ...Or I could have messed up something else. EDIT: I was unthinkingly assuming you were also a Sprint customer, which obviously isn't necessarily the case. Please excuse me.

People have listed a lot of things that have changed in the 2006 version of the OS, but another thing I really like is the fact that copy, cut and paste have been moved up a level in the pop-up menu on the virtual keyboard. That's a nice touch.

talking about reboots - mines crashed a few times wher even the ON\OFF button has stopped working and i've had to take the battery out to reboot. reported on bugzilla as bug #520

Did you restore using the backup utility? I was getting frequent reboots and lockups after doing a restore. This morning I reflashed using the Linux flasher, but did not do a restore. I have been using the 770 all day without any reboots. I did get a few application crashes, but not one reboot or lockup. Perhaps the restore from 2005 OS data causing instability?

Just a thought.

no - that was the other thing - I wasn't able to restore to 2005 as it kept crashing about 1%. in the end i gave up and started from scratch

Just a note that should be "chmod +x" not "-x"

Ok, based on postings here and a PM, I tried to reflash back to the 05/06 image with the linux flasher running in an xterm window in a vmware player/browser appliance [firefox under ubuntu] combination under XP. Everything looked good, got the 'Suitable USB device not found' message, turned it on, got the 'USB device found at...' message, but then immediately, I got 'Unsupported board (id=0x0000)' , the flasher did nothing, exited and the 770 rebooted.

Ok, so the PM suggested using the old flasher. Maybe that was wrong. So I tried the new 2.0 flasher. No board error reported, and everything seemed to work just fine till about 33% of the rootfs image, I get 'Write failed after xxxxxxxxxxxx bytes', 'usb_bulk_write: resource temporarily unavailble', and I'm back at the linux prompt, the flash progress meter on the 770 is stuck at a third of the way, and the usb icon is still on in the upper right. So I pull the usb and pull the battery.

Now when I power up, I have a brick that does nothing but say 'Nokia' [till I remove the battery].

But I figure, well at least maybe the old flasher got installed. So I try re-flashing with the OLD flasher this time, and indeed, now the old one works -- no board version error messages. Again, everything looks fine, it gets all the way to then end, I get the 'Finished flashing' message, ready to hi-five -- only next it says 'NOLO_REQ_FLASH_FINISH: Protocol error', and no reboot. Just hangs with the usb still on in the upper right. So pull the usb again.

But this time, removing the battery, it seems to be back to the 05/06 image -- though the clock is now screwed up the way many have reported -- despite the fact that it was never screwed up for me when I had flashed the 05/06 image for the first time.

So it goes, at least I can run vnc again.

But the whole idea of using software in flash to do the flash? Sorry, but round these parts, we'd call that a brain dead hardware design.

Clay -
Glad you got your nokia working, how about a thanks to everyone who gave you hints instead of complaining some more?

with kid gloves,
 

during a boring (religious) wedding I attended today, in a 10 minute period of time, I tethered my N770 (OS2006BETA) to my edge cell phone connetion, managed to login to my novell account (it remembered my username and password from before), review an extra credit response of a 30 question prompt (a word .doc format) to a video I posted on my website (novell reader provides a word doc reader although there are a couple of decent websites offering the same), changed his grade from an F to a D-, (thru ICUE online public ED grading system), and email him back with indications indicating that he wouldn't fail (he CARED.)

What I am saying is, although the bugs are there, this 2006 OS has already allowed me to do what I dreamed of doing as an educator WHEREVER I WANT TO DO IT, on an N770,
despite the warts, bugs, errors, and freak occurances.

Sure -- thanks to everyone in the first dozen or so pages of this thread saying how wonderful it is to try this new beta.

Good enough?

keep it up, lol, and don't be supprised when your account is banned.

Coolty and Clay
 

are you the same person
or both equally annoying, self-depricating, and irrelevent to the forwarding of this discussion??

Who cares what you think of each other....

I think that OS2006 is quite interesting, and,
the bugs I can see are:

1. Consistant internet connection dropouts from WLAN, and NOT from gprs edge phone tethering

2. An ability to GTALK from N770 to Computer quite nicely from Computer to N770, but NOT from N770 to N770

3. brick-like freeze occuring with simultaneous GTALK and internet opera windows open, though NOT while MULTIPLE opera windows are open, resultng in a desparate battery-removal solution.

DC

had the same problem with gtalk & opera. Reported it on bugzilla #522

revert to 2005 OS
 

I could revert to the 2005 OS following advice on this forum and I am grateful to those who share their experiences with us. I am sure that I would have the same attitude even if it had not gone smoothly first time... I sympathise with Coolty for expressing his opinion.

In summary, to revert to 2005 OS from 2006 OS beta, use flasher-2.0 in Linux following the steps described at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_Fla...ImageWithLinux. The only step left out from the instructions is to make flasher-2.0 executable by "chmod a+x flasher-2.0" before running it.

I added a little step-by-step tutorial on the wiki page.

I'd decided given all my previous ramblings here that I might hinge on the fanatic side. The 770 can do no wrong. All bow.

... so I decided to take a hardline approach with Mistral. I was going to play the part of the nitpicky user tempered with a bit of being reasonable. It rebooted once. Opera poofed once. It's a beta, no problems with those.

Seriously. My only gripe is that there's no red theme. Mistral is far more responsive and Nokia appears to have listened to their user base in a lot of the additions they've made such as swap space.

(Oh, and in response to what someone was saying about the thumb keyboard and tabbing between fields, I'm sure it's meant for mass input IE a message board post or creation of a document rather than forms. Cute how the backspace key is the biggest eh? I've also had problems using the quick commands like dragging off the right side of a letter to get a space, down for enter, left for backspace, etc)

to bad, i tried video stored on my MMC (worked with 2005), it failed...
Anyone has same?

i also have a few videos and mp3s that wont play anymore.

About the Internet Tablet OS 2006 Edition Beta.
 

** Screen Problem **
I posted yesterday (#139, page 14) about a screen problem I noticed after updating to OS 2006 Beta. Correspondents thought the screen problem might be a hardware problem, which just happened to arise at the same time as the update. They were correct. I set up a Linux installation using Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/), ran the flasher-2.0 from a USB stick and flashed the 770 back to a 2005 OS. The screen issue, vertical bars and streaking of images persists. I will contact Nokia tomorrow and see if they will take it back for repairs.

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions. The Ubuntu CD-ROM is a great way of trying out Linux before you do a full installation. And allowed me to flash the device back from the Beta.

Bom