Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I haven't read anything from their blog saying they ended beta (last entry was in april)

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Does anyone know that if you dial a long distance number with GCD and have it bounce to your house phone whether your home phone gets charged for long distance calls?

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

grandcentral is calling both parties in the call, so neither gets charged.

better yet, if you make a grand central web button, you can email it your friends and they can call you long distance for free. (the web button asks them for their phone number and calls them first, then you)

i have a cheap cell phone plan with unlimited incoming minutes but rather expensive outgoing minutes. since i'm at the computer all the time anyway, i put all my regular contacts in my grandcentral address book and use grandcentral for all my outgoing calls. since grandcentral is calling me, i only get incoming minutes.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Thanks man. Don't know how long that goodness will last but I'm looking to drop as much land line charges as possible and use GCD to call long distance and toll calls. Off to the verizon website to stick it back to them. *wicked laugh*

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Using the GCD will incur the same charge as any other incoming call. Most home phones are unlimited incoming so it's effectively free.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Thanks. I cannot see this remaining free for long. If people found this out and got wise, the losses to the telecom industry would be HUGE. Not that I mind. ;-)

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I believe this is your only complaint I haven't addressed. If you could tell report what your base line is for this, I'll look into it. I'm hoping I haven't broken the magical python starter upper since I haven't really been able to find much information on it and don't have it installed on my 770.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

My basis for that was my own memory and watching osso-statusbar-cpu. The CPU went to 100% when I opened it, but that happens with every application. However, with the new version, GC Dialer seemed to take longer to startup than before. I realize this is a very unscientific test, and I'm just going off my own judgement, which is why I say that it "seems" to take more CPU.

As for Python-Launcher (which I believe is what you're referring to...), from what I understand it replaces the python launcher with itself, and then makes the import gtk line REALLY quick, because it's already preloaded. So, the only thing needed for Python-Launcher compatibilty is to use python and to import gtk. If I'm wrong on any of that, please someone correct me...

[edit]Ah, it turns out that python-launcher support in GC Dialer was broken somewhere. The python binary is changed to call python-launcher, but in my gc_dialer.py, the first line is:
Change that to:
And python-launcher support will be back in. Besides, packages should take care of requiring certain versions.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

That would do it. The reason it gets changed back to python2.5 frequently is that with python-launcher you can't see stdout ( for debugging ).

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I just got the latest SVN, and was playing around with it, and the title change feature is in there, which is great, but there seems to be something wrong with it. The title is now "Dialer - Dialer - (page)", while it should be "Dialer - (page)"

The solution I found was to get rid of "Dialer - " in any calls to self._window.set_title (there were two I found, and it's actually "%s - " and self.__pretty_app_name__). Everything seems to be working great now. Good work on everything!

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Sorry, by baseline I meant what version of GC Dialer were you using so I could do performance comparisons on my machine.

So is using the default version of python the only requirement for python-launcher? What version of python is it? so I can be sure to not use too new of features.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

So I'm guessing Hildon automatically combines gtk.set_app_name with self._window.set_title. *sigh* wish the documentation was better, especially for Python.

I also changed it from python2.5 to python, so hopefully that works. Like I always say, this would be a lot easier if I had a working SDK to test against.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

/usr/bin/python (and python launcher) will always link to whatever version of python the user has installed. So, if you make the deb require a certain version of python, that will be enough.

And yeah, sometimes the documentation seems to be sketchy at best... Trial and error is always fun though ;-)

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Where did you get this information from?

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

GrandCentral has not ended its beta phase officially. Well, at least the google version of what beta means....

Any news or announcements regarding the service will be posted in their discussion group:

http://groups.google.com/group/grand...-alerts/topics

Unless someone is in contact directly with the support team or one of the developers, nobody can assume there is a change on the horizon.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

The first cut of Evolution contact support for GC Dialer has been developed, tested (on the desktop), and is available (through subversion).

Notes:
* This has not yet been tested on tablets to see if it breaks anything or how well it accesses tablet contacts if at all.
* The default address book is "None"
* You choose evolution address books separately
* You change address books through "Edit"->"Settings", select your new address book, and hit apply
* The GUI is not in its final form, it was just my first thought. What I think I'll do is just put a combo box on the contacts tab to select on the spot the address book.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

where can i get this at??

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

When I get off me butt I will upload a new .deb

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I'm hoping we might make a release soon after some further cleanups but as of right now you have to checkout the trunk from subversion
https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=657

If on a machine with make, you can then just type any of
make package PLATFORM=desktop
make package PLATFORM=os2007
make package PLATFORM=os2008
to have an unofficial deb package. If you do not have make, you can just copy the source folder and run it manually from the command prompt.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

OK ... PM me for access to 0.8.0. This will tentatively be going into Diablo Extras assuming there are no major issues. It will have the new name DialCentral and has a signifigant number of upgraded items.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

erm... isn't DialCentral publicly available from extras-devel? (uploaded by you)

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I just got DialCentral from diablo extras-devel, and it either doesn't coontain the icon, or it's named wrong. Even after rebooting, the icons don't show up.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

It seems the dialer only picks up the GC call log and not the messages, which is more useful IMO.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Will Evolution support need evolution installed on the tablet?

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Yes, anyone who installed DialCentral from extras-devel should give me feedback.

Hmmm... I'll check into that. I'm sure it's just a typo. This is the reason it's still in -devel and not promoted to extras.

Yes, at this time the actual VM is not picked up... maybe a new feature for 1.0

I don't think so.... I didn't install anything... maybe epage can fill us in since he wrote the addressbook part.


any other comments/suggestions. Most of the networking is now threaded making the UI 100% more responsive especially for slow/unstable connections. Holding down the back button clears the number as well.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

I did some of the development testing for the evolution addressbook feature.

It doesn't require evolution to be installed, only python-evolution bindings. It basically allows you to call people in the tablet's "Contacts" database.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Do you know the exact packages as I can't find a python-evolution package. If I know I can add it as a dependency so it's installed automatically.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

The package seems to be python2.5-evolution, but it doesn't seem to be in the diablo extras repository, only chinook extras. http://repository.maemo.org/extras/p...lution-python/

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

@brontide excellent work man, this will make GC more than an anti-spam number for me. I tested it over T-Mo USA 3G (UTMS) and it worked just fine. A little slow at first but once the call was established there wasn't any noticeable difference between 3G and WiFi.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Ok... fixed the icons...

please, more feedback especially bugs. By Wednesday I would like to send this to extras.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Don't forget the messages. Otherwise, it's not very useful, IMO.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Icon shows up if it is copied to /usr/share/pixmaps. For some reason using /usr/share/icons needs some additional tweaking to get icons to show up.

debian/control should use
because it will save about 5MB of downloads if python2.5 wasn't installed before.

edit:
also
should be used

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Hmm, sorry for not catching myself up on this thread.

Evolution support is completely optional. It has a failsafe mode if the bindings are not available. As a side note, Evolution data server (EDS) is what is used on the tablets as far as I'm aware. It works great on desktops but I've heard of some possible issues on tablets but am unable to test on my 770 and I haven't been able to get an SDK to work right quite yet. I've heard the correct tablet approach is using a mix of evolution.ebook and abook. If anyone wants to look into this, in trunk/TODO I have links to the documentation for these libraries with examples.

If you look in svn in trunk/support/DEBIAN/control I have an example control file for packages and have evolution as a recommendation and not a dependency.

@brontide: Have you submitted your changes?

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Strange, build 7 solved the icons for me, no pixmap moving required.


I was following the example by Kheritan, but that makes sense. I tried contacting him on IRC last night to see if that was safe.


@epage: Nope, I still have not ( bad me ). The system I was using for SVN had connectivity issues while I was on vacation and I have no gotten a chance to sync my changed back to the system and into the svn. I think we will have some issues moving forward since I can't use your make files ( sorry, only redhat/fedora systems ) and have been doing all work on tablet. I have been pushing to extras directly from the tablet using py2deb and scp.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

That is no a current feature and I don't know when I will be able to get around to adding it. It would be nice to have it before 1.0, but with the summit and life I wouldn't expect a large new feature like that before December unless someone else wants to code it.

Right now my biggest concern is polish, speed, and build issues for the features that are already there.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

For me icon doesn't show up..

/usr/share/icons/hicolor/ is the right place, but it seems that running
in postinst is still required to get icons show up reliably from there. Icons from /usr/share/pixmaps also seem to always show up as small ones.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

@brontide
Does the makefile at least let you do all of the processing that the old script did or should I pull that back in (if you haven't)

Also any features/cleanup/polish/etc you'd like me to look into implementing?

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

For us Grandcentral people, vote up this enhancement request.

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1744

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

As part of the speedup I have gone back on the 1 file trick. I create /usr/lib/dialcentral and place our .py files there. The main executable is a short python file that adds that to the system path and imports and runs run_dialpad.

Re: Grandcentral Dialer
 

Icons work with the new version, thanks!

I was using a SVN version until this update, and in the contacts section, there was a little "GC" icon next to each of the GrandCentral contacts. This doesn't seem to be there anymore. Is this a removal, or just a missing icon? Also on contacts, one of the combo box items is "None" which just displays a blank contacts page. Is this on purpose? Finally, I'd like to see an "All" feature on the contacts page, where it displays contacts from GrandCentral, and Evolution. In this case, I think there would need to be an icon denoting a difference between GC and Evolution contacts.