Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I still think it's Xephyr with Maemo's device management takes up less memory than Xomap and debian controlled services...

I get worse battery life leaving Full Deblet running than I do with Maemo too.. so I think Debian in and of itself is just "bulkier" and thus it bleeds through to the WM.

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Just to clarify, in my mind, Easy Debian is the chroot scripts. The big image file is completely replaceable with any root file system. You can use deblet, Ubuntu, Red Hat, OS2007, whatever.

And I wasn't saying that I was going to let the scripts "go away," I was just hoping that my next round of scripts will be sufficient to carry over to the new world of deblet.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

This little venture deserves an award.

You are hereby entitled to 500 antiqolling points to be used at your discretion. Each point subtracts from one (1) qolling post.

Enjoy.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

That should keep me going until next week.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Sorry, man-- current exchange rates suck.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Hoo boy! The image file for the "Final" version is substantially larger than the previous one.
This is despite the fact I'm not installing Abiword (we've got it for Maemo now), nor CUPS printing (printing from the tablet always struck me as a circus trick). I'm not sure what exactly is making it so much larger, but I suspect the fact I'm using the "real" open Java JDK (instead of gcj), as well as the much nicer (and, it would seem, much bigger) JXDE LXDE window manager instead of IceWM. I am also including Gimp, since that seems to be the most-installed app in Debian.

Well, when I release the new version, you can continue to use the older, smaller image, or you can use the new image, it will be up to you. I think the improvements in the new packages will be worth it.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Ok, I managed to get the file system size on my new image down below a gig, and I enlarged the image file to 1.1 GB, for a little bit more "head room".

I've uploaded the new big image file, but I still need some more time to get my .deb all put together. But you can start downloading now, in preparation for the imminent release of the Easy Debian Final package.

It has working sound, Adobe Flash, "real" Sun Java (openjdk-6-jre), Gimp, LXDE, etc. It really feels like a finished, functional system. I think you'll like it.

Make sure you have the space, and then...

Download now! debian-chroot-img-final.tar.bz2 (314MB download, 1.1GB uncompressed)

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Great work as always, qole. When you get a chance, could you upload a debian-chroot-apps-final.tar.bz2? You know, just the contents of the ext2 image in a tarball like last time. Thanks.

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Of course. It just takes so long to upload each big file... I'll try to get to it...

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I maneged to install easydeb chroot on my n810 though the applications work the icewm doesn't load properly.....I made a video to demonstrate this "problem" (not a good quality......I loaded icewm.....: http://data.hu/get/625563/n810.3gp.html )......thanks for your help

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Looks like I'm not going to get the new Deb done before I get on a plane for Berlin. The good news is that I'll probably have it ready by the time I step off the plane.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I haven't messed around with the chroot scripts yet, but I'm thinking I may lean that way in the near future.
Have fun over there-Berlin's a wonderful city. I highly recommend that you check out http://www.berlinerunterwelten.de/ if you have any free time- lots of neat history, and the tours (some of which are available in english) are only a few euro. Also be sure to eat your fill of schnitzel & wursts, and if you get tired of indigenous cuisine you should try a Döner kebab (like a gyro, but...better).
BTW, anyone know if they are planning to stream any of the presentations at Maemo Summit 2008? The wiki page seems mostly focused on people who are actually attending; I'd love to follow from home if they made anything available.
Edit: I did see some references to making audio and some video available after the fact, which I suppose is almost as good. Looks like they nixed any streaming media :/

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I am using debian chroot from ext3 partition, and i downloaded the "basic-debian-chroot-fs.tar.bz2". i want to try jxde, but i got no results with "apt-cache search jxde". How to install jxde?

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re:If it doesn't work: You need Python and PyGTK to open the window in OS2008.

can you please expand, in the application manger i have
python-elf-core-demo
python-pygtksourceview
python2.5-abook
python2.5-edje-demo
python2.5-pygtksourceview
python2.5-pyinotify
python2.5-pysqlite2

and re the pygtk i can only find a pygtkeditor

which are the ones i need? or do i justinstall them all?

already installed is the python-launcher but nothing to do with the pygtk?

help

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

What did you mean ? JXDE? Never heard... :confused:

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

http://lxde.org/screenshots.html

He meant LXDE ( I believe )

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

okay. thank you!

Just installed and it looks nice, lightweight.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

One problem, LXDE does not save any changes in the UI, like wallpaper, panel, etc... ?

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I would think this is a permissions problem?? Seemed to save for me IIRC... what is the output of:

ls -la /home/user/.*

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Right now i am reinstalling my whole debian (again) because when i was installing audacity tablet done something stupid and i had I/O errors.

I think that the problem with lxde was this:

I installed hildon desktop to my debian (just trying) and of course it used my maemo settings and because of that it did not work, even if i created a new user to run it (and i set it to my default chroot user) then i installed lxde, and started it with still using the same user i created for hildon. aferwards i deleted that user and set user "user" to default chroot user. I think lxde did not save settings because of that huge mess i made just for trying hildon. moblin environment would be cool, but hildon tries to use same settings that maemo uses, and i guess that moblin is not yet ported to armel.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Your /home/user/.* settings are probably all messed up. You want them to be user:user for permissions.. the Easy Debian uses the same /home/user as maemo.. so by just making a new user wouldn't change that it would still try and use /home/user's home directory in maemo.. thus the new user wouldn't have rights to it's own home drive.. If I'm understanding you correctly.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I speak bad english, sorry. Maemos hildon still works, but the hildon-desktop i installed to my debian did not work because it tryes to load same settings that maemo uses. Thats why i created new user named "hil" to my debian environment, hoping that because its own home-directory, it would not try to load maemos settings.

btw, i am not trying to use hildon in my debian any more.

I just installed the whole debian again, because dpkg vines about I/O errors in some files (i was not able to install any stuff).

And LXDE still does load "original settings" every time i start it.

But it sometimes shows this error:

GTK+ icon theme is not properly set

This usually means you don't have an XSETTINGS manager running. Desktop environment like GNOME or XFCE automatically execute their XSETTING managers like gnome-settings-daemon or xfce-mcs-manager.

If you don't use these desktop environments, you have two choices:
1. run an XSETTINGS manager, or
2. simply specify an icon theme in ~/.gtkrc-2.0.
For example to use the Tango icon theme add a line:
gtk-icon-theme-name="Tango" in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0. (create it if no such file)

NOTICE: The icon theme you choose should be compatible with GNOME, or the file icons cannot be displayed correctly. Due to the differences in icon naming of GNOME and KDE, KDE themes cannot be used. Currently there is no standard for this, but it will be solved by freedesktop.org in the future.

So, it seems to be problen with xsettings manager, witch is propably not running?

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Qole, fatalsaint, in another thread suggested you would be the best one to ask the following question. I installed the Easy Debian 6-2 .deb file. Installation went without a problem, and seems to be running well; my N800 is becoming more of a pocket-sized laptop replacement. I notice that you have a more recent 9-1 .deb file up and I am wondering what advantages does this version offer over the previous?

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Fatalsaint, you were right.
it was a permission problem. LXDE did not have any permissions to .config...
I did not post output of that command, because it was lo large that it doest fit in two replies.
Thank You :)

HowHH, i installed the latest chroot .deb and i think it has the latest scripts, with some speed hacks etc...

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/me points to the thanks button

I wanna feel speshul :D

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Yep, sorry i forgot :)

Is there a thread about sound in easy debian? i am so sure it is somewhere, but i did not find it... It would be nice to have sound when using audacity :D . The sound works only in gmpc?

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Found it:

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...t=21719&page=6

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I was wondering if I could get some help. I installed everything properly on an n800, I have the newest firmware (diablo), I have python 2.5 and the python2.5-gtk2 installed, and I still can't get IceWM to open. It loads, then it closes a second later. Iceweasele won't open either. Any help?

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If you have the qoles newest chroot img it doesnt have icewm at all, did you download your img file using debian image iinstaller

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Yea, I used the image installer. Unless I downloaded an outdated file initially. It was the file in the first page of this thread - easy-deb-chroot-0.6-2_armel.deb. Also, I think this thing has really slowed down installing other programs, as the application manager window can take over a minute to start installing things now. The Synaptic manager works, but no other part of it. Still stuck...

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Qole, before you make your final `Easy Debian' package, I want to make one special request in order to ensure that `Easy Debian' lives up to its `Easy' namesake: I have almost a completely stock/virgin N810 flashed with the newest Diablo firmware, and your `Easy Debian' did not work for me. I got the exact same errors another user reported (who never received a reply), namely a bunch of permission denied errors when the chroot script tried to set up the mounts. I tried to manually execute the mount commands but they did not work, and other responsibilities don't allow me time to read manual pages and google my error messages to figure out how to fix the problem.

Anyway, your N810 is probably so tweaked and customized that my special request is that you test your Debian install on a `stock' N810 first so that you don't skip any dependencies or extra steps. If sudser or gainroot is needed, or python, or an edit to such-and-such config file, or setting such-and-such in Application Manager, please include that as a dependency....

This will save thousands from headaches.... Thank you!

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I believe qole is in Germany for the OSIM conference; that is probably the reason he hasn't addressed some of the issues raised recently in this thread.

I believe that his main script expects root privileges, so that could be why it won't work (I'm guessing, as I've always had gainroot installed). Install 'rootsh' from maemo Extras.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

The script depends on the users ability to "sudo". Any of a dozen methods I believe are around here for that. He probably needs to add one to the dependency line of his .deb.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Yes, I have had both rootsh and sudser installed for root access. Running the chroot script with sudo did not fix the problem. The problem is related to mounting. Perhaps one of you with a working setup could show the output of:

1. mount
2. cat /etc/fstab

Note the following curious behavior:

$ ls /debian #or sudo ls debian
ls: cannot access /debian/bin: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/boot: Input/output errorls: cannot access /debian/dev: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/etc: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/home: Input/output errorls: cannot access /debian/media: Input/output errorls: cannot access /debian/mnt: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/proc: Input/output errorls: cannot access /debian/root: Input/output errorls: cannot access /debian/srv: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/sys: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/tmp: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /debian/usr: Input/output error
bin etc lost+found opt sbin tmp
boot home media proc srv usr
dev lib mnt root sys var

I can see the contents of root, but can't access any of them.

I noticed that the mount options for mmc1 and mmc2 (but not loop0) seemed possibly restrictive, but remounting with the nosuid, noexec, nodev, etc. options removed did not fix the problem. Below is the output of mount. I would like to see what some of you have for its output.

$ mount
rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
/dev/root on /mnt/initfs type jffs2 (ro)
none on /mnt/initfs/proc type proc (rw)
none on /mnt/initfs/sys type sysfs (rw)
none on /mnt/initfs/tmp type tmpfs (rw)
/dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw,rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000)
none on /tmp type tmpfs (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
none on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
/dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask =0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8)
/dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask =0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8)
/dev/loop0 on /debian type ext2 (rw,noatime)

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I installed my package on two stock, non-tweaked, freshly-flashed N810s this week in Berlin without problems. However, it was the new 0.9 "final" edition.

I have noticed that the older 0.6 version sometimes had some install difficulties, I'm not sure why; one of the install tasks is to add passwordless sudo, so you can type "sudo debian synaptic" and it will run the Debian Synaptic package manager as root. However, this change seems to fail occasionally, I don't know why.

Please try the following:
- Uninstall your Easy Debian package
- Reboot
- Reinstall your Easy Debian package
- Reboot
- Try running the Debian Chroot icon
- Post your errors here

I promise to have my 0.9 version ready shortly (in the next day or two). I just need to recover from my flight a bit, and I found some interesting problems with my install script at the Summit that I need to fix before releasing.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Bigtime newbie here (I don't code, etc...) Just to see if this would work I installed penguinbait's "OS to SD Deb" and "KDE" on SD on my MMC2 card. Then using OS2008 on MMC2, I tried to install Easy Debian on my MMC1 card. It didn't appear to work. When I went to reboot, I was unable to boot into OS2008 on MMC2 (and therefore access the icons to startup debian).

So, would I be right in assuming that this doesn't work? Or, does it work and did I do something wrong?

I've used both of these separately, but would love to be able to use them both.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I have multiboot and penguinbait's KDE running beside Easy Debian. I didn't use his .deb packages, however. This should not conflict with them, but if anyone can comment, I'd love to hear from you. I don't know why my package would interfere with booting to a separate partition, since it doesn't change anything around that.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I've used both penguinbait's Clone SD to Deb and Install Tools Advanced Edition with both qole's debian-in-a-file and debian partition chroot setups, and they've all worked fine (basically, I've used every combination of the four).

It must be your setup.

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

I've installed about 7 times easy Debian and never had install problems. I did have a problem when I tried to install easy debian once on a single partition that had kde with dual boot. Never found out what the problem was. Maybe it was the dreaded HAL problem. Once I moved Easy Debian to removable card no problems other than running out of memory. :)

Re: ANNOUNCE: Easy Debian For Everyone! OpenOffice, Firefox 3, Java, AbiWord, IceWM,
 

Thanks for the responses. Glad to see that some have penguinbait's KDE and qole's Easy Debian (Bundyo-Benson-Build) working together. I'll have to try it again and see if I can get it to work as well.