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Mobile Office For OS 2008
The Nokia Internet tablets running OS2008 Have gained the parts of a real office environment. The new Abiword 2.6.4 that has just come out and the gnumeric spreadsheet app are both available for OS2008. Abiword doesn't suffer from constant crashes and is available for chinook or diablo. Thats not to say that there arent any bugs for example the stylus keyboard will not activate when you tap the document area. gnumeric on the other hand is completely usable and very simple to use. If anyone knows about any fixes to abiword or gnumeric or any rumers about some kind of power point like program let me know.
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I don't want to duplicate threads, but please be aware that openoffice.org is already available by chrooting in a debian rootfs.
Apart from technicalities, Qole has made available an installer that's very easy to use. After this setup you'll have the mobile office you were asking for, including full openoffice, abiword, and you will also be able to install any software you want from the debian repositories. For all this and more, see http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21629 |
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I meant having a mobile office with out mucking around the operating system! I also think that we shouldn't have to go so far to get something so simple. We shouldn't have to install dabian to get a good office application. Not to mention that the debian apps are not designed for a 4inch display!! This is not a duplicate thread!!!
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I just started installing debian it sounds like a good idea but I still hate mucking up my tablet
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Well, maybe I'm in a minority but I for one have no interest in writing documents with either MS Word or OpenOffice, or AbiWord. Heck, I never use any of those on the desktop either.. except to sometimes look at other people's documents, and then with a shudder.
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Two things.
1. I don't agree with the complaints about others starting new threads when there "are other perfectly good used threads out there." There are good reasons to start new threads - the most important one for me is that new threads appear on my RSS reader, and comments to old ones don't. 2. I really prefer apps that work in native mode, apps that can read normal business documents. I've gotten along with doc reader for the ubiquitous ms-word files attached to emails from clients. Gnumeric unfortunately can't read multi-page Excel files (at least there are no clues about how to do that within the package the N800 installs. --pk--- |
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For short notes Notes or Xournal is good enough for me. For reading and commenting on things in the mail I could use a simple .doc/odf/rtf capable wordprocessor. But are there people here who write complete papers and reports on an Internet Tablet, i.e. complex documents with footnotes etc.? Doesn't seem very enjoyable to me on such a small screen.
<edit> And besides, in the near future we might all be collaboratively in a Wimax Cloud using Google Docs and the like. </edit> |
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abiword and similar are imo overkill more often then not. but gnumeric on the other hand is one nice tool for all kinds of number work.
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Otherwise, you can use the scrollbars to deal with multi-page documents. |
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I agree with T-unit that a mobile office solution is sorely lacking in the N810, and that having to install a guest OS to get it is unacceptably convoluted for most people.
Gnumeric is actually pretty good. AbiWord is getting there but not ready for prime time. If the pair were working you'd have something on par with the DataVis or QuickOffice offerings that have been working on PalmOS for years. PS: All I really need is a good app for taking notes as formatted text. Notes would be OK if I could indent bullets. Other options (Maemopad, Xournal) either don't do formatted text or don't use a format that allows me to share documents with Windows users. |
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Still nobody interested in looking into either Ted or SIAG Office?
Just to clarify: I have no idea if these are portable, let alone hildonizeable, but they seem like nice, lightweight and useful applications. |
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Ted doesn't compile on first try ;)
Compiles on second, doesn't link. Compiled, testing... Starts, but can't open anything. Will investigate tomorrow though, 'cause its 2:20 AM here and i should work tomorrow too. :) |
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For me its not so much about editing or creating on the tablet but opening and viewing from an email attachment... Basically the same thing I can do on my Treo but with 2x the screen area.
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'Ted' is a Motif application, but there's a Gtk+ version in the works.. presumably that's the one Bundyo is working with. Web site says this version is not complete yet though.
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Yeah, it compiles and runs at least :)
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I tried to install a guest operating system for your benefit but I had to stop the download because my internet connection was to slow and would have taken all day. From what I have read the applications from guest operating system are very slow and not very good. I also found that the software can mess up your display and cause havoc with your internet tablet. After all this I am going to have to reflash my tablet!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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I am sorry you have had problems. Are you sure you need reflashing? Qole's deb package can be uninstalled without adverse effects.
What happened to your tablet? I am willing to help if I can. EDIT: I measured approx time from the moment I invoke a chrooted word processor to the moment it's ready for working. On my tablet, abiword needs 13 seconds, OOwrite 98 seconds! But after this apparently infinite wait, it's functional enough. |
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The Select connection and any pop up display is shoved to the upper left corner. So I am just going to reflash It doesn't take to long. I hate mucking with my tablet.
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If you want you can refrain from reflashing, this thing is very easy to fix. Wait one minute for an explanation...
EDIT: I had to find the exact Qole's post. You need to have the package "becomeroot" or an equivalent way to issue commands as root. Open a terminal, become yourself root, then give the command "cp /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs.orig /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs" Reboot, you're done. |
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To late already reflashed
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You see, complaining and reflashing is more fun than learning and fixing something, and not even having to restore any data.
Seriously, I don't understand why someone who hates mucking with their tablet would try installing a different OS (even in a chroot) before they read up on it. |
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Must be an Ex-Windows user!
It is interesting to observe the difference in troubleshooting philosophy in the two camps. Windows users are quick to wipe things clean and re-install, since from experience this is often what they end up doing anyway after trying to fix their system. *nix users instead will spend what ever time required to "fix" their system. I fact, I often get criticized for spending too much time fixing Windows machines (although I'm usually successful, it is just that I sometimes take a long time to do it). Anyway, back on topic, a better refined Abiword port would be fine for me. I'd like to be able to read (and it doesn't have to be formatted perfectly) any word doc someone may send me in E-mail, and on rare occasions where I dont' have my Laptop, but do have my N810 AND MY USB ROLL-UP KEYBOARD, I may actually produce and/or edit a document to be sent out in Word format. As far as Gnumeric doing multiple sheets, I figured out how to do it: From the menu select "Format" then "Sheet" then "Manage Sheets". This will pull up a box that allows you to move them around, duplicate, etc but also it will select which one you want to be current. Yes, a bit awkward, but I think the maemo version is missing the toolbar one would normally use. For me these are not "must-have" apps, but ones I would expect to have available on an open Linux based system like the NIT. I guess I'm must a little spoiled. |
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Benson:
Thanks! What's a good source for help files or a tutorial on gnumeric on the n800? --pk--- --pk--- |
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I still use Windows!!! I did read up on the guest os and found the consept easy to follow. Please note that I am only trying to be helpful. I am sorry if I affended anyone.
one I am new to comand lines two I am only a teenager, three I had just flashed to diablo a few days ago and it would be faster to just reflash ( I have a copy of Diablo and it was easer to just reflash. I do wish that I had maybe waited until Some one had responded to my post but I didn't really want to wait. Now that I done defending myself thanks for the help with gnumeric it is much needed. BTW does any one know how to set up scrachbox on a windows mechine or do I need to be running some kind of linux.:confused: |
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Well you can get a help documentation from the Gnumeric website try this linkhttp://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumer...gnumeric.shtml it is for the desktop version but it may be usefull
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Getting the wysiwyg effect seems to be (more?) difficult with gtk which i would guess is why we haven't seen more simple editors.
itt user 'free' compiled the qt4 libraries and sample applications and it came with a simple (example) wysiwyg editor that supports basic alignment, font picker/size/ color, print preview, and save to html or pdf format. No scim support though so its mostly for 810 users and you wont have access to some keyboard chr symbols. I made an isorun app of it which i would consider the best 'minimal' editor for casual notetaking, and minimal space considerations ( < 10 meg.. and that can be on sd card). Just install two debs, then download the iso to anywhere and run it from emelfm2 or make personal menu shortcut to 'isorun /media/mmc1/iso-images/free-qt-textedit.iso' or wherever you put it. So you could download : Penguinbaits cdrom/iso support deb Install IsoMount Then download the iso to somewhere (and extract zip) (reboot so cdrom driver can initialize) Nowhere near as nice as abiword but much nicer (for 810 users or keyboard users) than the built in notes imo for jotting notes you want to use elsewhere. Maybe now that official qt4 libs are being created, more qt apps/editors can be built. |
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Sounds cool do I need to install a guest Operating System? Is Isorun the name of the editer?? anyway I still don't fully understand QT4 for OS2008 is it a guest operating system or an emulator. BTW does the editor support .doc format?
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The editor only supports html loading/saving and pdf export.
QT4 is a set of visual components like listboxes, text boxes, buttons. It is alternative to gtk with different functionality and appearance. The editor is just an example made by qt4 people to show off their edit controls. So just this sample is better than the notes application in maemo. You can call it 'qt4 textedit' What I did was grab some qt4 libraries and put them in iso so you dont even need to know about qt4.. that was just for explanation as to why it looks different (better, i think) This is not a chroot applicaton like debian... but what it does do is put the program and a few needed qt4 libraries into an iso so you can mount the filesystem later (using isomount) and run. The iso acts like a virtual cdrom and its as if you put a cdrom in your drive and just ran it off cdrom... except the iso file is stored anywhere. So the first deb installs the cdrom driver enabling maemo to understand iso9660 filesystem (might need reboot before you can actually mount) The second deb installs my helper scripts to make mounting and autorunning isos easier. The third file is actual iso file containing the mountable filesystem (qt4 textedit). In theory this could have used regular ext2 filesystem (to avoid needing first cdrom driver) but i have other isos and its easier to create and manage iso9660 files. In theory this could have been a traditional deb but that would probably have required you to install the qt4 libraries which are still changing and add more bulk than the handpicked (needed only) libs for this app. This -could- be rigged into a simple deb without installing qt4 libs, cdrom, or isomount separately...bthis would just be a 1 deb install... if interested I could probably put together. |
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You can find a couple of these basic qt editors in the following old thread:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13251 |
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Abiword is okay, but my past experience is that it has a difficult time with large rtf files -- which is why I don't use it. I should see how openoffice performs under the chroot with importing large files. I do agree that a document viewer utility for reviewing (but not necessarily editing) different formatted attachments in email would be useful. |
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Ok I will check that out thanks
I found that asciidoc just recreation of the notes app with a few additions. You should try the new abiword it doesn't crash cronicly like previous versions. I recomend upgrading to Diablo first to save you self future problems. After you have upgraded, enable the Maemo extras catalogue then create the Maemo Extras-devel catalogue Title Maemo Extras-devel Web Address http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ Distibution chinook ("diablo") may work but ive never tried it) Components free non-free If you recieve a measage when you try to install abiword first close the application manager and reopen it, then bring up the application catalogue and delete the "Maemo Extras-devel" and disable the "Maemo Extras" tap close and close the application manager. Reopen the the application manager again and enable "Maemo Extras" close the application catalogue and let it refresh the catalogue finally open the application catalogue and recreate the the "Maemo Extras-devel" repository. this will take longer to read than to do it for real. It is definately woth it. There are a few bugs that need fixing the sylus keyboard doesn't launch when you tap the document area to start editing the easiest way to get around this is to adjust the virtual keyboard before you start editing. Here is a simple run through of the operation: Open the notes application and tap the document area when the stylus keyboard pops up tap the options box on the lower left of the keyboard then tap tools then settings finaly uncheck launch finger keyboard with square thing. Then when you open abiword click the center of the dpad and the stylus keyboard will launch. There is a lot of effert going in to fixing any problems in it. |
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Does anyone know of any power point like application availible???
And if anyone is interested in creating one basing it off of the slide show to go app for palm pilots would be the easiest way to go. Adding back ground would be cool. Just remember I am not forcing anyone to pursue this idea |
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Are you trying to create and read pp files? or do you just want a fancy slideshow program with annotation and transition effects? For the former, I'd say LOL since this thread started out asking if it is even practical to have a word processor on this tiny thing! I'm not saying it will never happen, but I doubt it is high on anyone's prioity. For the second, this sounds like a couple of great future plugins for Canola! |
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Power Point Programs and this is about the possibility that finally we may have a full office suit not just a good word processor. The reason that you may have thought that was because of the poll (I just wanted for people to understand what the majority of the people's thoughts were.)
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I was just wondering how presentation software would actually be used on a NIT.
Would you be creating/editing a presentation that would be played back from another computer (as such an export to *.ppt would likely be needed), or are you wanting actually present your presentation from the NIT (So *.ppt export is NOT needed). Or thirdly, do you just want a fancier slide-show viewer. Granted "full office suite" makes a great sales pitch, and may be worth it (to Nokia) on that point alone, I'm just wondering how/if it would be used? Note: there is another [long] thread on this forum about "what do you realistically want to see in an N900" where making a boardroom-like presentation from an NIT (using a special docking station) is being discussed. Is this the kind of use you envision? |
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Ok my first thought was for one to create or finish a pp presentation on the internt tablet. I know you can do it on small displays from experence. But a great idea would to give it networking to wirelessly send it to a web page that could be projected or displayed.
So you would walk into the room and connect to a wireless access point and select the network setting and it would show up on a website that could be proected from a projector connected to a laptop displaying thats displaying the website. Now if you followed all that you get the idea |
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what i do is save my ppt files to jpeg and just view them with quiver.
a proper viewer would be sweet. i think the hardware can even handle animations. right now the solutions are: word: abiword, xournal, notes (if you can live without paragraph marks) excel: gnumeric powerpoint: none, but you can save as a movie or series of jpegs |
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The biggest viewer should be able to open ppt. After 20+ seconds that is :)
EDIT: Though i just tried a 33 page ppt file and OOo crashed... :) |
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