chinook & diablo - Confused!
 

can someone please name the major/minor/noticeable differences between chinook and diablo?

Right now, I have a mmc card boot in chinook, and I don't see any reasons for upgrading. are there any?

thank you

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I think the most noteable feature is the ability to upgrade the OS without wiping the system. Other than that I haven't heard anything that would make me jump to Diablo and make it worth re-installing all those apps I have for the 4th time in just over a year.

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This is one of those questions that have been covered a LOT. You would be well-served by searching.

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Search what? All those diablo release threads have hundreds of post

You should ask the question in TABLET SCENE (http://www.tabletscene.com/)

Take care!

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Search what? Search for those threads, then read the hundreds of posts. If it's not worth the few minutes of reading to the one wanting to know, it's unlikely to be worth the seconds to answer to those who do know. Also, it's the sort of complicated question that will be answered better from a discussion than from a few people's synopses.

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Yeah.. a question about the differences between OS upgrades isn't really something someone can just "sum up" to someone that doesn't like reading.. it's a little more complex then that..

A question like this is best served by reading those 100 posts and seeing exactly what the differences are and what they do... that will tell the OP whether to upgrade or not..

If all they wanted were highlights.. then they can get that from the changelog at nokia's website; not on a forum on itT.. but those changelog's aren't descriptive; and a summation of a changelog would be even worse.

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On Diablo
Mail app works
browser is faster
no more reflashes

And everyone else: if you are not going to answer/or if you think something is too stupid to be asked, don't post, keep these "newbie" threads short and unnoticed for everyone else (more posts = more exposure) so by "censoring" questions you are actually making long unuseful threads of attacks... getting a good search is difficult now.

We should make a sticky of the other forum though...

EDIT: By the way... if you are starting a new thread on something already posted, you should'nt post

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=22633

3 hours before... c'mon

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For people that think like you is that I'm changing my mind and I'm realizing that TABLET SCENE is a GREAT idea.

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Yes, let's just hope there'll be enough people there to help out and they don't hit the wall answering the same stupid stuff over and over and over.

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Hi,

The attitude here by the "Senior" members in this thread are deplorable.

You don't want to provide an answer, don't provide one but do not belittle the person or give the " you need to search" reply.

Do you, in your infinite wisdom, know if the OP has or has not done a search?

Not everyone is a techie or has hours to pour over the many threads and techno speak to get a clean concise answer.

Really makes for a very intimidating and very inhospitable place for people seeking knowledge.

I had the impression that a forum such as this was here for precisely this reason.

Guess it really is for pointing out that users need to suffer with the high and mighty attitudes of those with the knowledge but unwilling to take the time to maybe go over the same information more than once.

Being a newbie here to the NIT and Linux in general, I certainly am not feeling I can ask a question and just get the answer I am looking for without the attitudes expressed above.

People skills are needed along with the tech skills you all may possess.

I see the need for the new site but it is a shame it is needed when one site is so much more convenient.

Now the flaming will commence.

Enjoy.


David

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Do you know how much time I spend helping people? Do you know the effort I put forth? No.

It's a two-way street. I expect a little bit of in-kind effort from the people asking questions, is that an unreasonable thing to expect considering that I receive no compensation for the efforts I put forth.

Besides, it's not about answering more than once, it's about not answering dozens and dozens and dozens of times.

You should probably have searched, this exact discussion has taken place at least a dozen times since way back in 2007.

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Hi,


So, what I take from your post is you have earned the right to be rude?

And this subject being discussed before, well the behavior continues so maybe it needs to be discussed again.

Really, all I am saying is, if you want to help, help, but leave the attitude out of it and provide the information the person is seeking.

Been a member of many forums over several years and I have never provided rude, uninformative rants like the many I have read in my brief time here.

If I do not want to answer, I do not answer but if I do respond, I try to be helpful instead of the criticism dumped on the OP in this thread.

Just treating others with respect would be a good thing.

Or this is expecting too much?


David

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Here's the problem, you put your own interpretation on my post that doesn't have much to do with what I actually meant. There is a significant amount of information on the subject behind a search, and the OP would get a lot of useful information by searching. So, how is pointing them in a useful direction a "rude" and "uninformative" thing to do?

Perhaps it is you that needs an attitude adjustment, hmm?

Personally, I think these two rants are a bit rude and highly uninformative, I guess it has a lot to do with perspective. :shrug:

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Harpgliss: You're absolutely right, but to ascribe that attitude to all senior members is absolutely wrong.

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Hi,

Assuming the OP did not do a search already is possibly wrong.

As for the rest, I think you and I will go round here and it will solve nothing.

I have problems with a response to a question being " do a search" with having no clue if the person has done so.

Maybe the person has done the search the answer you provide will put it in words and structure they comprehend.

Obviously, from your own post above, the subject of rudeness has come up before so it is a concern here.

I think it is something all the members here can and should work on and I include myself there also.

My posts above are about this being a place I can find answers and also, once I have some knowledge of my own, to share it with others.

I want to hang out here but the place is not very friendly to those of us new to the NIT, Linux or both.

Would be nice if it was for everyone.

After that, I think I am bowing out as I am not wanting to make enemies here in my first week as a member of this community.

David

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From some of the stuff I've seen I will say that usually the General is a little blunt for my taste as well... but in this particular thread I'd have to say both he and Benson are quite accurate.

When it comes to me it depends on the question.. As Benson pointed out ... This type of question is best answered by a discussion and not by one or two people just listing differences in the OS. This is a complicated question and the answer is equally complicated... you are talking about the differences between very vital parts of the tablet's operation.

Both OS's have their positives and their negatives and both the positives and negatives have bugs... this is all information that can be gathered by a little research... and I apologize (well, not really) if I would rather go answer or at least try and answer 4 more threads.. instead of spending an hour or more doing my own searches and building a compendium of useful answers taken from those other 100 posts that have been provided on the topic.. It not only serve's no purpose for me but actually harms the op.. because there is plenty of other useful information in those threads that he/she will be missing because I just stripped it all out and laid it in a page-long story.

If I come to a forum and I ask a question and I get someone that tells me to search: Guess what?? I KNOW MY ANSWER IS OUT THERE.. and it is nothing for me to take my time to find the answer to my own question... I am the one that benefits from my question.. not the answerer. I don't expect people to wait on me hand and foot and thus I do not do that for people..

I will help people so long as they show they are capable of using that knowledge and are willing to put their own time into it - because after all: it's for them. Nothing is free.. free information takes work and patience..

Pointing someone in the right direction IS being helpful.. usually when I say "search it" I will typically give them a keyword or two to try.. but if the keywords are already in the OP there isn't much point.

In my case, If the op's answer was a simple one liner; and you can look around these forums for my posts; then I will do the search, find the exact post that answers their question; and link them to it. This thread is no such case; and thus the best and most helpful answer that can be provided to the op is to search for other people that have had issues and/or inquired on the differences... the only person who can decide if the OP should upgrade or not is the op..

I mean.. unless of course you were hoping to have a 5 page thread of all the hundreds of people on itT just saying "Yes Upgrade" or "No Don't"... because that's extremely useful information there. And since a huge discussion on the topic has already taken place then why duplicate said huge discussion instead of just nudging the OP to look for that huge discussion and reading what has already been said!

But anyway... This is probably why people like me shouldn't go to the "Scene".

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In the forums where I ruled, as the boss, the easier and more repetitive questions were answered by newbies, with seniors only intervening if they saw gross inaccuracies. Here, some of the most senior posters are always jumping in with suggestions like that someone should search. I would think that these seniors would have something better to do with their time, but I guess it relieves their tension to deal with questions much beneath their competence a lot.

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I wonder if anyone noticed that this was the newbie forum? :)

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Geneven.. and that's probably the direction this is going when the "Scene" goes fully active... Newbies and the like with a select few of what you call "senior" members will be there ... with the more geeky types over here breaking our tablets on a daily basis :D (Deblet re-install #5.. here I come! lol)

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Hi,

Fatalsaint, thank you for the post.

I appreciate your approach here.

I am not opposed to telling some to search but maybe provide a link to star them off with, or as you point out, key words to facilitate a search.

I know if I know a key word, I do a search and provide the link to the threads the key word pops up for me.

Just the way I work I guess.

Anyways, thanks for the post.


David

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whoa!!!!

sorry everyone, but I didn't want to start a war out here!

First, I apologize for what my question has brought, and I'll try to explain myself:
1) I DID some search out here on ITT, yet was unable to obtain a clear answer
2) if you notice, my status is also senior member, but I asked this in the newbie section to get a direct, simple answer (which I still don't have, but whatever...)
3) my question was about a different subject. Actually, I was able to find the differences between the SDK's but not between the OS's.
4) If this could possibly help, I rephrase my question:

Is upgrading from chinook to diablo worth 2 entire days of work?

5) the most probable answers to this would be "depending on what you do", so here's quick list:
- internet browsing
- schoolwork (xjournal, gnumeric, hyperchem...)
- music & video
- some games

The problem is that my system is highly personalized, and about 25% of my software isn't in repositories, so it takes too long to restore all of it. Is it worth it?


hope this helps (at least a bit)!

P.S. PLEASE, don't answer "depends", just tell me what you THINK.

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Now THIS is enough detailed user case to form an opinion... :)

Based on this, I'd say that it is not worth it. Only if the web browsing represents the majority of use, including heavy flash sites, then I'd recommend it, but otherwise no.

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Yes.. that question was a bit easier to read... I would differ from Mara and say yes for the reason of the OTA updates.

It'll take you a while to get setup again now.. but eventually when more upgrades and stuff come out they are going to do it Diablo style (I imagine?) and once you go Diablo, theoretically, you won't even have to do this setup again.

But like the above post I don't think you'll actually benefit anything right this second; but I think you will have to (or at least want to) at some point.. may as well get it out of the way when you have time to spend rebuilding your environment. One more flash and (theoretically) you'll never have to wonder this again.

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""Is upgrading from chinook to diablo worth 2 entire days of work?""

Well, in my case the process took about 40 minutes fron starting with Chinook, through flashing Diablo, then following the amazingly simple application(s) reinstallation and re-establishment of user data. It all went without a single hitch, and like I said, I was very pleased. Not only with how painless the process was, but with the end results too: Diablo seems snappier, more stable, Micro-b *works* now, and the Application/Update manager works much better too.
I say go for it, based on my experience.
Too bad the attitude of some members can seem downright rude and off-putting.

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when I upgraded chinook 50-2 to chinook 51-3, the process took me an entire day. I had time back then, but I'm busier right now. Since there are not so many differences between chinook and diablo, i'll keep chinook for now.

second question: just to make sure: all the aplications working under diablo will work with chinook or no? (the other way it works, i know that)

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It's funny how many times I've searched, appended my own question to established threads only to be ignored and have months past by where I don't receive an answer.

It seems as if the "search" method doesn't always work either.

With that said, the attitudes in this thread is downright horrible. I don't resort to that kind of attitude and I've been the senior moderator/admin at two sites for almost 8 years and 5 years, on sites with 600k+ and 58k+ members respectively.