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qole 2008-09-03 16:29

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 220466)
Those who do not understand Unix...

...are doomed to repeat it?

Gadsby's Law: "Every electronic device attempts to expand until it is also a cell phone. Those devices which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."

debernardis 2008-09-03 16:35

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
Well, anthonybuchanan, hear what I say: me too, I'd really *love* a phone-enabled internet tablet. Really. I'll buy one when it comes, for sure.
So, count me on your part :-)

sjgadsby 2008-09-03 17:19

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan (Post 220460)
UNfortunately, it seems that the people that want it as a bonus, me excluded, do not want it as a cellphone also.

THat device has a limted appeal and I would not buy it.

There's just something amusing about: "I, standing here alone, represent the common people. You lot over there, all of you, yes, even you, way in the back, don't know what people want."

danramos 2008-09-03 17:33

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 220479)
...are doomed to repeat it?

Gadsby's Law: "Every electronic device attempts to expand until it is also a cell phone. Those devices which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."

Kindle is about as close to a cell phone enabled tablet as you can get right now, I think. EVDO, even.

daperl 2008-09-03 17:34

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan (Post 220475)
Dont Shhhhhhhish me dude.

Wudda ya talkin' about. I (we) owe you about 5 more. Shhhhhh. Now 4.

But back to convergence.

Here is my to-each-his/her-own story:

I was the last person I knew to get a cell phone (Fall/winter 1999). Qole doesn't count 'cause I don't know him. That Samsung had a WAP browser and of course I got a data plan. I was surfin' the WAP web on my phone! Well, what I really wanted to do was remotely control my computers. Duh. So, after getting the RoadRunner web master to properly handle the WAP mime type ("the what?"), I was talking to my boxes. I also needed to develop my own version of ddns (it didn't exist yet; how do I apply for credit?) by using ftp to update the non-static IP links on my free RoadRunner home page. I'm not sure whether I had SMS at this time. Regardless, if needed I could have had my boxes call me (I still had a land line) if they just wanted to say hi or to tell me that the house was on fire.

This is where I differ from most of you hard workers out there; I spend a significant amount of time just doing proof-of-concept stuff. But my point is as far as I was concerned, I CONVERGED. This was Winter 2000. The rest was just going to be a SMOC.

So for me, all new technology since then have just been refinements. Some much better than others. And somewhere in this story is part of the reason this thread won't die. To each their own.

danramos 2008-09-03 17:34

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 220496)
There's just something amusing about: "I, standing here alone, represent the common people. You lot over there, all of you, yes, even you, way in the back, don't know what people want."

Are we bringing back up 'THOSE people?' :)

Laughing Man 2008-09-03 17:57

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by anthonybuchanan (Post 220477)
Sorry. Mis-spoke regarding the N8XX being an island insofar as new apps.

There will be new apps however Nokia will not update the hardware and thus, eventhough new linux apps will be compilable on the frozen N8XX, there will not be newer NXXXX's with higher rez screens, more RAM, etc.

So what's your prediction on iPod Touches (not iPhones, because they're more expensive [requires a plan] so an iPhone would be more compared to say your "convergence" devices for phones), EEE PCs, and other netbooks? Considering the tablet and other tablet like devices all fall into those categories. Will all of those stop as well? For Nokia this is an opportunity to not only use the nXXX as a testing stage for their phones but also for a new market that has emerged.

qole 2008-09-03 18:06

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 220482)
Well, anthonybuchanan, hear what I say: me too, I'd really *love* a phone-enabled internet tablet. Really. I'll buy one when it comes, for sure.
So, count me on your part :-)

Well, I want me one of those Nokia 9000s with the Graphical LCD. I can't get enough of the clamshell form factor.

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Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 218826)

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 220501)
Are we bringing back up 'THOSE people?'

SHHHHHHHHISH!

GeneralAntilles 2008-09-03 18:08

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 220511)
Well, I want me one of those Nokia 9000s with the Graphical LCD. I can't get enough of the clamshell form factor.

On-screen help is where it's at for me.

danramos 2008-09-03 18:09

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 220508)
So what's your prediction on iPod Touches (not iPhones, because they're more expensive [requires a plan] so an iPhone would be more compared to say your "convergence" devices for phones), EEE PCs, and other netbooks? Considering the tablet and other tablet like devices all fall into those categories. Will all of those stop as well? For Nokia this is an opportunity to not only use the nXXX as a testing stage for their phones but also for a new market that has emerged.

This illustrates another good point in that... my sister wanted a laptop so that she can wander the house and look over the kids while she did the college and work and stuff. I gave her my old N800 and she's finding that she LOVES it because it's ALWAYS around when she can't lug a laptop around--even something as small as the eee wouldn't be as available all the time. It's not that she needs the cell phone radio--it's that she just likes having a COMPUTER that she can always have tucked in somewhere and just connect up to a wifi wherever she ends up (coffee shop, restaurant, at the car shop, etc.).

It's less about the ubiquity of the cell phone (although that would be good too) but more about the USEFULNESS of an open and flexible product that everyone can develop for (like a computer) that you can take EVERYWHERE (like a Palm or a Nokia N8x0).

There's always the Palm Centro--which I DO like a lot.. but, it seems that it has limitations in most cases when you get one (locked!).. primarily intentional limitations imposed by the cell phone company and Palm to 'prevent abuse' in their words. Unlocked Centros are quite nice.. but hella pricey and I'd rather get a BT cell phone and a Nokia tablet and tether them together for the price.


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