Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

If the n9xx is as stable and robust in terms of software as the earlier NIT's I never want to mix it with a phone

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Hey ...

I'm no phone expert and have no idea what part of the technology on a phone locks one into a particular carrier. But, with JailBreak making it trivial to use iPhones on any carrier one desires, I'd think that a GSM N9xx would also be breakable.

Why can't the phone part of the N9xx be totally separate from the "wonderfully stable" rest of the little bugger? Heck, I'd almost be willing to epoxy a phone to the back of the thing - perhaps a Samsung R501 or other thin phone.

I'm just sick of having to carry the phone and the NIT! It just can't be that complex to combine the two functions in one case.

iPhone - BaH! Ever tried to type on one? Tried to change the battery? Yuck!

Steve

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

For a phone I want rock solid dependability and support.

For a NIT I want to be able to hack and expand.

In one device these two things will never be resolved satisfactorily.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I have been an enthusiastic N800 user (and poster here) since the N800 was released. And I still am.

BUT

When I leave home these days, I just bring my Centro and leave the N800 at home. This is because the Centro is smaller and I can do anything I want to do with it (usually), even though it is nowhere near is good as the N800 for browsing the web, it does work if I'm say in a vehicle and I need to check out the movie times on the web. It even works as a rudimentary GPS unit, which my N800 won't do unless I am carrying the GPS unit with me.

On the other hand, if I left the house with just the N800 I absolutely could not make an emergency phone call unless I happened to be within range of wireless. I couldn't use GPS without the GPS unit.

I wish Nokia would make an ultra-tiny phone that would be a dedicated N8x0 add-on. It wouldn't need to do ANY of the stuff the N8x0 does.

The idea that the Nokia tablet is some sort of walkaround web access device is a myth. Wifi is not available when you are walking around except in unusual places. You need a cell phone. On the other hand, you completely have the walkaround web with the right cell phone.

I normally carry things in my pockets. I have my car keys. I have my wallet, which I carry in my front pocket from habit formed by spending a long time on crowded Moscow Metros and having had four people try to pick my pocket in Barcelona. I really don't want to carry another item with me EXCEPT one thing that gives me phone connectivity and web connectivity.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I really hope nokia releases two versions of the tablets. One with phone and one without. And the one with the phone.... has to be sold unlocked.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Why is everyone so afraid of a phone? Because it will "lock them down" ?

What if the were all sold unlocked, with an empty SIM slot. Problem solved.

And as for stability, just make it multi boot. A everything mode (phone and maemo), and a phone only mode (maybe a very striped down symbian OS). That solves that problem as well.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

because loading a full Desktop OS like Debian would be a huge PITA if there was built-in cell capabilities... special software would be needed for the OS to communicate through the networks and the SIM..

I like the freedom of the tablet... do I wish I could make phone calls anywhere with it?? yeah.. but not at the cost of immobilizing my opportunities for expanding this to be exactly the mobile work device I need.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Hardly. There are all sorts of stupid ******** carrier nonsense to be complied with, not to mention an insane number of international, state, and local regulations, with the end result being a lot of resources taken away from making Maemo awesome into making it comply with lots of stupidity.

No thanks, I'll stick with my non-cellular-hindered platform, thank you. If you want a phone, please go buy a phone.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I know one of the local mobile phone companies sell a little module that is designed to let your laptop get on the internet via the mobile phone network. I saw it at a show recently. It looked like it would work with the NITs. I can't remember if it connected via bluetooth or if it was USB. It was quite expensive, but then all data access via mobile phone networks is very expensive in Canada.

EDIT: Their web page has a few USB modules; those would all probably require extra power and I wouldn't be surprised if special software was needed too... Sigh.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Yeah. But most of the people who even consider the n8xx decline it on the first thought just because it has not phone. They just don't think about anything else.... The first sentence that comes out when i show it to someone is "But it doesn't have a phone?? "

Look at the iphone. Just because it was a phone first it became so popular. Look at the touch it is nowhere as popular as even the tablets. Most of the americans who never heard that they could browse the internet from a phone have started browsing from thier iphones and appreciated the usefullness. If the n800 was released with two different models.. one with and one without a phone..... I am sure the iphone would not have been as successful as it is now.

And we would have seen a lot more n800's

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

They have both I believe qole.. I know for a fact USB... but it uses it like a modem - I'm quite sure it WOULD work with the NIT if you run Debian... there are several pages out there on getting Debian and other linux's up and running with these data cards.

But a USB data card / modem is an entirely different beast than an internal antenna and SIM chip I believe.

I've actually thought about tossing my blackberry in favor of one of those.. but there isn't really any way i can find to "carry" the NIT comfortably with a USB stick hanging out of it and not break anything... not to mention when you put the USB adapter you can't close the stand =-(.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

With the direction that wireless data is going, I suspect they won't be conceptually "different beasts" for much longer, but I have to agree that USB is not a terribly good way to connect devices to the NIT at the moment; it gets the job done, but it is very inelegant.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Precisely. I am primarily concerned with the poisoning effects of even MORE non-open and soul-sucking locked hardware and software. I would rather have an add-on so that if I feel like 3G is being displaced by the new, say 4G/WiMAX... or the new 5G.. or the new 10G.. whatever, I can always just replace the radio and HOPEFULLY it'll be designed with a simple open interface in mind like PPP to the device the way a lot of EVDO devices seem to work on laptops--which incidentally work great in Linux. I've had to put up with enough closed-source crap and the hassles of being at the mercy of a company's interests in supporting their users. I would LIKE a platform where the company AND the users are involved in the product users want.

I don't mean to imply that there shouldn't EVER be a cell radio. I do mean to imply that it shouldn't be forced on those of us who'd rather not have one. I also imply making it a module you can slip into the unit and not a USB dongle to hang out there like an erection waiting for an accident where it can get snapped off--OUCH! :) Maybe, just maybe, by being expandable--this might also open up the realm of possibilities for OTHER neat third party add-ons that could do all SORTS of amazing things, so long as Nokia made it a standard and open interface. If they just close it and make themselves the only entity that can make something for that interface--then we'll have all the same whining and nashing of teeth that we're already hearing about these unbelievable hardware and parts SUPPLY issues.

Like I've repeated all along, give the customer what he needs or else someone else can come along and sell it to them and you might possibly lose that customer forever.

I say--no radio, but make it so that I *CAN* get one. Better still, make it expandable! The best thing the desktop PC ever did was open up the ISA bus to third party developers alllll those years ago.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

There's a USB connection in the back, you know... Maybe an alternate battery cover with built-in data connection? (Alas, it's only a 4-pin port, so either a mini dongle just to force OTG mode, or software switching, is required...)

That can be fixed, for the future, with an additional radio slot; maybe USB, maybe not, but some dedicated connection under the back cover, so the cover can be replaced with a bulged one for bigger battery and an extra radio.


Honestly, I can see this working great even on existing hardware, as outlined above, but I'm not quite sure enough it's what I really want to go buy the modem and try hacking such a thing up, and I'd have to do some battery-hunting as well.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

What I really want is for a high-speed, wide area data network like Wimax to spread across the world, and for the tablets to get a radio for it. This would give me access to all of the current VoIP / IM / e-mail / whatever, everywhere.

Nokia has already demonstrated willingness to step up to the plate (with their N810W), but there's very little incentive for current phone companies to build out such a network because they'd be slaughtering their restrictive, proprietary cash cows (you guys have heard about the 15c per text message in Canada, eh?) for a dangerously open and unrestricted network. I would actually say that there's a disincentive for telcos to do it. I get the feeling that telcos only offered high speed internet (DSL) when the cable companies started offering it. I think the only hope of such a network blossoming is if a group of electric companies banded together, put antennas on power line poles everywhere, and started offering something like Wimax. That would force the entrenched companies to compete.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

The only big downside--in the future there will be faster and better and you're stuck with the new thing from this decade instead of the next decade's tech.

You can STILL hook an old 486 up to ethernet and get Linux installed on it and actually still use it for useful things (I used to use one for hping packet mangling to test equipment from vendors trying to sell us devices to deploy in our network.. and I'd successfully use it to hack their equipment to report what I'd require them to fix in order for us to consider their products).

I want something like the tablet to be able to be as expandable.. not stuck with a radio that nobody will want later. For example, how much longer do you think anyone will want a first generation iPhone now that there's a 3G iPhone? How many fewer will want it once EDGE is turned off because the telcos will no longer support a fading technology?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Such is the way of technology. Here today, binned tomorrow.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Right. The difference is that if I'd bought an iPhone and wanted to rebuy now, I would have gone for an iPhone 2 because it only makes sense.

But in the case of my N800, which I'd bought back at the beginning of February of 2007, I used and abused it all the way until now.. and just repurchased another one and gave my sister the old one since it's still very usable. (Kickstand was broken so I removed it, touchscreen is somewhat innaccurate too--but still very usable.) I still prefer the N800 over the N810.. but they're both quite good in their differing ways.

I'm not sure I could have that with many other devices--this is more like a good laptop/computer than a disposable phone device that I wouldn't think twice about getting something else to replace it.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Is there anyone still selling N800s, other than eBay? Sigh... Although I see N810s are coming down to $330 here in Canada, and 8GB micro SD cards are only $43, the N810 is looking a bit more competitive...

EDIT: Hmm, that $330 price is gone... oh well

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

One of mine was from that blowout here, the other was from our Buy & Sell forum...

No, I don't think any commercial outfits are still carrying them, but there's plenty of folks upgrading to N810s, so you can find one if you got the patience.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Why anyone would want a phone the size of a N8x0 (or the iPhone for that matter) is beyond me. I prefer a small, light and simple phone, giving me the option to bring which devices I need. If the N900 (or whatever they choose to call it) becomes a phone, I won't replace my N800.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I think the perfect thing would be a tiny battery-powered bluetooth modem for whatever EVDO / WIMAX / Future-Tech high speed wireless network you want, something like my Holux M1000 GPS unit. Pairs with any bluetooth-enabled device, gives you high-speed internet if you're in the coverage area. See my post above for why it will never exist.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Until I got my n810 I was of exactly the same mind. I love my Samsung R500. With extended battery I can go easily 5 days without a charge. It is small, great reception, best phone I have ever had.

I used to carry a Palm as a PDA, and often lugged my laptop everywhere. Now my laptop stays behind; I keep a mini-keyboard in the trunk for those times I need to do a bunch of typing.

Now that I see the power of the n810, I have a dream - to carry just one device, that has the power of the n810 and is also a phone.

I already carry both the n810 and phone everywhere. I never carry just the phone or just the n810. The n810 is not so large that I could not hold it to my ear.

If it had a phone option that could be purchased separately, and the device was no bigger, then we both could have what we want. You could continue to carry two gizmos, and I could carry just one.:D

Steve

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Now we know why birth rates are so low across Europe. hehehe. :) LOL

The new Gigabyte m528 is getting close to what I would like Nokia Nxx to go except I would prefer an arm processor, a stronger graphics chip set and a real camera PHONE, a real GPS chip set and of course two full sized sdhc card slots. TV/HDMI ports and two USB ports out would be even better.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Bad time to buy the N95. The N96 is coming out in a month (half septembre). Expect N95 prices to drop...

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Supposedly, the M528 will have one regular USB port and one mini-USB port (client). I think it may only have 1 micro SD slot, but I could be wrong about that. The price quoted by UMPCportal, if correct, has dropped again and will be under $700 USD--$689, supposedly. I've been holding off getting an N810; wanting to see what initial users think of the M528. I'm hoping the shipping date of mid-September doesn't slip. Specifically, I want to see if GPS works out of the box (UMPCfever has been testing the Aigo MID and it appears that there are glitches with its GPS) and also would like to know how well WIFI (will be SDIO on the M528) picks up signals and how well bluetooth (will be via USB I/F) performs.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

If I can go with a N810 I can go with an EEE too as my pants are too small for a N810. I go with a backpack and then it's no problem to take an EEE too.
However, the N810 is a very special device which I like. But it's far far away from being a convergence device. It's the playground for Nokia. And sadly, it's not that 'open' how I like it. Personally, I don't like the way of Debian...

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I still stand by the N95/N96 as the perfect convergence device.

It has its compromises and certainly the N8XX has a bigger screen, touch, better browser however it also has its compromises big time mostly the fact that its has no phone capability when you are outside of wifi range which is most often for most people.

With the N8XX I am forced to carry around a phone, and a camera.

With the N9X I do not need to carry anything else at all.

Thats just my story and this thread started because I was so pumped about the N9X not because I wanted to put down the N8XX. I love the N8XX.

I am just much more supper pumped about the N9X right now when it comes to just having

"one device to rule them all"
"one device to rule my life"

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I agree, the N95 (either N95-1 or N95-2) are for me too is the best convergence device out there. This little fella has been with me for over a year now and with the constant stream of new apps and hacks out there now it just continues to get better and more and more indispensable, the installed Garmin XT sat nav navigated me flawlessly through Italy a couple of weeks ago.

By the way the N96 is not the successor to the N95 and is actually a little less capable in some areas although its internal memory capacity rocks.


@ anthonybuchanan if you haven't already, get over to http://www.n95users.com/forum/ or http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/

I like my N800 but I long for the day when I can get around with just one device in my tight pants LOL

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

That's definitely the conclusion I've also reached. I'm going to order an n810 today, and when I can find a good price on an n82, I'll get one of them.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Here here! I second that! My opinion precisely.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

heron61, what are you going to do about Word processing or spreadsheets when you need it. Then you need your laptop plus your N810 plus your N82 and do not forget your camera.

Thats just too much for me to bare.

Ive decided that no complementary device is needed at all with my N9X.

Of course I have a laptop/desktop and so, I am certain, do you. But for "on the go" web browsing with flash, word processing with full Word 2007 compatibility, phone calls, gps, hi-rez camera/video, and more all in a package the size of a

deck of cards, then the N9X is the way to go.

If the N8XX adds phone capability and a hi-rez camera then I am there since it is an awesome device however right now it fills a nitch of just an "internet tablet". Thats all it does. And thats just not enough.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Well.. I have no problems word processing or spreadsheets on my tablet..

But then.. I don't ever just accept what the big company gives me on a device either. *shrug*.

It is missing the Hi-rez camera though.. I'll give you that.. But I like to talk on my phone at the same time as browsing the web.. so no need for it to be a phone anymore than skype can provide me.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

For me, the perfect convergence device would be a cellular with bigger resolution than the current ones have (640 x 480?), a little bigger screen than N95's, a 3 to 5 MP camera, and Linux as OS (maemo would be very welcome).

GPS optional, maybe qwerty keyboard, WIFI, Bluetooth, 3.5 audio jack, and *touchscreen*.

I'm bought by this device.

Not that I don't love my N800, but would love this one even more.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

fatalSaint, what do you mean by:
"But then.. I don't ever just accept what the big company gives me on a device either. *shrug*. "

Sorry for asking if this should be obvious.

Also, what do you mean you do word processing on your tablet.

Is it able to be viewed in print preview mode and insert pictures, tables, etc. ? I didnt know this existed.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

We have (almost) every application you could dream of, thanks to the porting of Debian.

Using my Easy Debian package, you can have OpenOffice, a full office suite that is very compatible with Microsoft Office.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Anthony I run the full debian linux.. which means all the applications ported to Linux - which includes numerous Word Processors; one of the more powerful ones being OpenOffice (runner up is KOffice).. which can be made to be 2007 compatible with XML converters and such.. Then of Course Kword, Abiword, Latex...

Scribus for desktop Publishing (Microsoft Publisher comparable)...

The list goes on. Pretty much anything my Linux desktop can do my Tablet can do short of Games and heavy software compiling.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Thats impressive.
I knew everything could run however I thought performance was so poor you just dont run anything truly worthwhile. I just see the N8XX just choking like a baby running apps originally developed for a desktop.

If you are happy with performance though than I am sure its good. Please tell me ?

This does still not make me change me feelings about the N9X being a better device that does everything. With your configuration you still need a camera, a cellphone, and also a laptop/desktop.

My scenaio has me only having a laptop/desktop.

Bottom line to me though is if phone, camera capability is added to the N8XX then I am there in a heart beat. I would actually buy six (6) of them just for kicks.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I dont use my Laptop/Desktop for anything anymore unless, like i said, I needed something large to compile with or doing DVD stuff.

The Tablet has totally taken over my need for a laptop/desktop. And it has a camera.. which is good enough - If i wanted to take professional quality photo's I'd use my wife's Nikon .. that's what it's for.

And the phone thing we'll just have to agree to disagree.. I wouldn't mind an always on skype connection.. but I'm with the crowd who doesn't want to be locked into a service or a monthly fee.. and I use my tablet while I chat on my blackberry anyway.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I've survived this far into the 21st century without a mobile phone, and somehow, I'm still alive. Maybe I just don't have enough friends.