Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I'm glad there's people out there that are easy to please, and willing to say that they've got everything they could possibly want in their cell phone. Hooray for you!

I really like my N800, and it is the best piece of technology that I've ever owned, but I freely admit that it is still very limited. But as I've been trying to say, the problem is that the infrastructure is pathetically limited, so I still haven't seen anything that I want more than my N800 yet.

Although I should warn you that tight pants may cause reproductive difficulties later in life.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I find that hard to believe, given nobody can seem to keep stock of N8x0's for very long at all everywhere I've looked (online and offline). Particularly impossible to find any new N800's in an unopened box. :P

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Well, he's talking about a Nokia store. If there's one place you shouldn't buy an N810, it's at a Nokia store. I bet the Nokia sales guys don't even know exactly what it is.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

2 year contract; they do offer some plans without contracts, but not the data-only. Not sure on devices they offer, as I'm currently looking at getting $30 voice (cheapest available) with the $6 data; I assume you can get the contract (with full subsidy cost built-in :() and not buy a subsidized device, in which case any unlocked GSM-1900/850 (with EDGE) should do. VoIP is said to work OK over EDGE; I'll know once I have it. Latency is not so hot, but that's something VoIP tends to suffer anyway, so I'm used to it. And tethering is allowed, although they don't offer support for it; no worries about getting the boot because they caught your usage patterns.

I realize it's quite possible they choke back on things, or raise rates exorbitantly, as they get 3g out there. But I'm not writing them off. (Oh, and roaming onto AT&T's network (and some others) is free, provided your phone has the 850MHz band, as most current offerings do; coverage is therefore not much of an issue.)

Of the US carriers, they look the most promising from here; that's why I'm looking at switching to them. I am well aware of the possibilities for things to go bad, but I guess I just haven't been burned often enough. ;)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Considering how impossible Nokia has made it to buy parts to repair your own N8x0 or even to buy a replacement stylus.. even in their own flagship stores.. I would not only tend to believe you but I don't think I would bother giving them more of the profit by shopping in their own stores. :( I'm pretty upset about that aspect of Nokia's business and support.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

fatalsaint, the point I making is that you
(meaning lovers of N8XX but against phone capability)
people
(whatchu mean, you people ?)
are not maintaining enough revenue/profit for Nokia to justify continuing to satify your fetish of limiting the N8XX to niche functionality.


Rather than be impossible being practicle is better.

This whole conversation is useless because I doubt Nokia is listening in to this sub-forum. We are like tree falling in the forest when no one is around.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Nokia will not keep throwing money down the drain because they see a "stuborn", "impossible" bunch of gadflys (a complement) and say, "wow, look at those gadflys over there". "Lets throw money away on their fetish cause they are stuborn and admirably impossible". "Lets throw away a few hundred million".

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Are you sure YOUUUUU people aren't the ones limiting the N8x0 to niche functionality by limiting it to a particular technology/carrier by integrating a telco carrier radio?

Youuuuuu people! Pff. :)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

aka "THOOOOOSE people?" :)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

All of this lame "convergence device" discussion is pointless until battery technology gets to the point where you can actually use the device for one of its functions for more than a couple hours, let alone any more than one. . . .

Besides, what's wrong with a "niche" device that's sold more than 750,000 units? That sounds like a pretty decent number of units shipped to me.

anthonybuchanan, do you honestly think anything a bunch of jerkoffs says here has any effect on Nokia's future hardware plans? I mean, honestly? If so, you're more deluded than even your convergence device ranting might have indicated.

Edit: it seems we've wound our way down well past useful discussion to taking pot-shots at one another now.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Actually it is "we" people.. the tinkerers, hackers, modifiers, etc.. that take a device and want to do things nobody else thought of that make things continue on. Blackberry .. people wronte JAD applets and crap if one didn't already exist. Windows/Mac; people write their own and toss it around to their friends until it lands on "the right" desk.

Take the world of broadband in your pocket.. just a few years ago almost no phone had a decent browser or internet in your pocket... yet people weren't satisfied and push for better, more internet support. Once that latched on the phone companies saw a whole new niche they could get money from - Broadband USB dongles.. and now they are sold everywhere.. It's now the "norm".

If everyone was happy with just being able to make phone calls then nobody would have even pushed for a cellular broadband.

Looking just at this form is a perfect example.. people bought the N810 for just an internet tablet and then found this form and saw people like Benson, Keeps, Penguinbait, Qole, Qwerty, Myself (and the list goes on) - doing some real quirky and cool crap with our tablets... now all the "normal" users that bought their tablet for a tablet want the "new cool" features of the geeks tablet.. thus brings forth the Penguinbait Bootmenu and Clone deb's, his KDE for Maemo, Keeps Deblet, Qole's Easy Debian.... on and on and on.

It is we people that provide you people the devices you want - not necessarily the device you got. And this pushes companies to see that you people WANT these kinds of things and so they try and find ways to incorporate it into their product to make $$$$ off of you.

Don't dis the we people :D.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

GeneralAntilles, I had hoped everyone here would know being called a gadfly is not a potshot but a very high complement.

Also, the "you people" comment is a humorous, but not in any way meant to be insulting, reference to the Black Jack, Robert Downing movie. No harm meant at all.

This conversation should be helpful though to anyone thinking 700K units is worthwhile in a world were iphone 3G is projected to sell 12 million in its first 12 months.

What, are you trying to run Nokia out of business ?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I'm not taking potshots. It's THOOOOOOSE people over there!

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Nokia sells more N-series devices in a month than Apple does in a year. The N810 is essentially an extended R and D project and everyone on these boards knows that or should know it. N series phones on the other hand as well as entry level mass emerging market phones are Nokia's bread and butter.

I have been using an N78 for the last week almost completely ditching my N810 for the usual tasks I use it for, email, internet radio, media player etc. It was only when I picked up my N810 to do some web browsing in bed the other day that I truly appreciated how close Nokia have come to the perfect device. The screen, the OS, the form factor is just about perfect. If they threw in a 5mp camera and HSDPA/GSM chip in there for phone calls there would be a slew of people who would buy those instead of iPhones/N95's and you can count me in that group.

As it is the N78 and the N810 combo is a killer duo, but sometimes I do wish I had the both of their capabilities combined in one unit.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

<condescending>Either you get the n800 or you don't.</condescending>

When mine breaks (please no) I might have to pay more for a used one than I did for my shrinked wrapped one. Put that in your convergence pipe and smoke it.

This thing is geek heroin. I spend most of my day trying to bend it (not over) to my will. When my instructions are clear it answers "sir, yes, sir," unlike so many of my other dead-end devices that "just say no." F*ck convergence, this thing is one-in-a-series of missing links. And, if the need arises for any of you converging, you can consider me an official n800 recycling center; no cell phones, please.

My mom dresses me funny.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I give up.

Remember, you heard the N8XX R&D project will be cancelled, from me first.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

If it is canceled I have a feeling it isn't because Nokia deems it won't be successful or edged out by iPhones and ipod touches but because it will "converge" with their more mainstream offerings as an N-Series phone. I can't remember the exact quote but somewhere someone said the tablets are more successful per dollar spent on development and marketing than any phone Nokia has made.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

You may be correct about this reason Nokia may cancel the N8XX.

Theres something interesting though when someone using a quote from "somewhere someone said".

It normally sounds like, "god this guy know what he is talking about I'de better back off".

I'm not so sure though about what you are saying someone else said about dveleopment of a tablet versus a normal phone.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

You think you have convergence problems? Check our buddy out here.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

He needs convergence.

hehe.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

So true. I think this is what it must feel like to be a junkie.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

There's hope for you. You've taken the first step.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

This thread has run its course.

There are those that want to keep the N8XX that same where only a handful of people around the world use it just so they can satify some weird niche fetish with Linux. Even if it kills the N8XX they do not want change.

In this "Change Year" there are also those that want to see the N8XX become a real profit generator for Nokia by changing and kicking the eyephones ***.

It is unknown rather the Cavemen (you people) or the Renassance Men (us people) will win.

End of story.

Can you guys stop posting here so I can have the last word.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

: ) : ) : )

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

: )

: )

: )

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Oh please let me have the last word.

My wife never gives me the last word and this is my ony chance.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Ten minutes have pasted and no more worthless posts.

Look like I will get the last word.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Honey, is that you? :cool:

Sorry, I seem to be having a problem. I might be done now.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

13 minutes have past by.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Oh sh__

Someone daperl creeped in here and made a post.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Daperl. Dude.

Whhhhhhhhyyyyy.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Here I'll post to just be a jerk..

It seems to me you are backwards... the cavement would be the ones content with things as they are.. while the renaissance are those of us making our phones, devices, and tablets do things that only sci-fi writers could come up with.





/trumps anthony's smileys

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Hmmm...

(rummage, rummage)

Yep. I'm all out of troll food. Go ahead, buchanan. Make another post so you can be "last".

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

That's what I kept picturing, yeah. :) Plus, it's a bit of a running joke at work about the way some people will try to draw distinctions between their own people and any other group of THOOOOSE people.

Ooooh.. so close! You forgot to phrase it as 'What, are you people trying to run Nokia out of business?'

Hah! Qole, you rock. :)

That's exactly what I just did recently. My screen was kinda off--calibration did nothing for it, it was so bad.. and the kickstand broke. So I went and got a new N800 from uBid.com for $209. Lucky. I didn't want an N810 and, really, I love this device. :)

Nokia was the first one to put out a trulygreat product along the lines of a truly useful debian based Linux system, but it doesn't appear to be the last and might not even be the best pretty soon. When Pandora comes out, I fully intend to get one. Whether it'll replace my N800 will remain to be seen.. but it looks like an excellent contender for my attentions. THIS recent announcement also seems very enticing: http://gp2x-emulation.dcemu.co.uk/gp...nt-141960.html VERY portable! I REALLY like that too! And look! LOOK! A d-pad on each side.. it could actually serve as a MUCH more comfortable way to scroll things or, God forbid, be used in GAMES as trigger buttons! :)

Are you basically saying that Nokia can't compete with the likes of Gamepark holdings? I suppose you might only be implying they can't compete with the likes of Intel and the other tablets coming out soon?

Eh? eh? are ya?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Agreed. I would tend to think that the grunting caveman only wants the convenience of it 'just works' with a simple one-button interface he can smash with a club. While the renaissance man would want the openness and freedom of a canvas and a t-square to design something that works reliably the way he wants it to and maybe even design something altogether new without the constraints of a gruff grunting miscreant that would rather embrace constraints because they're comfortable and runs around trashing my studio and spilling all the papers over the edge and getting all in my face... I mean his face. :)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Dude Dan... Shush.. You are one of "THOOOOOOOSEEE people".. your opinion don't matter!!!

ssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Do you mean new as in beer? Please explain.

I'm done kicking myself: 6 months ago buy.com had new n800s for $175. I put one in my shopping cart at about 7:00am PST. Instead of pulling the trigger, I went to run a quick errand while I thought about it. I think you can guess the rest.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I think you guys are on to something. Maybe Mr. Buchanan needs to pull a Costanza.

Wait...maybe that's me.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Whattya mean, 'Those people?' :)

Naw.. I saw it up on uBid.com (new as in a new unit, manufactured in April of 2008, never opened box) and it had been posted there fresh within minutes. So I put in a BUY NOW order at their price of $209 and ordered it shipped 2-day and there it arrived. At the time, they only had 4 in stock and as soon as I'd finished ordering mine (the FIRST ONE TO ORDER!) there were three other people who'd bought it within a couple of hours, as I recall. They were quickly sold out.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Yeah, I had a couple similar experiences. One, very much like yours, with the N800, and one more recently (two weeks ago) with a $320 N810.