Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Ok, sure. And like a stuck clock, he's right for only one second...

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Look guys, dont be angry with me jusy because you love a device that is simply a NICHE and I come along proposing ways to make it a mass market device with a broader appeal.

Sure you are linux zeolots, I am also. I use linux along with Oracle to make a very good living everyday. However I do not want to tinker with linux it at home while browsing the web or making a cellphone call or giving one to my kids to stay in touch.

I want a device for this purpose to have a UI layer where in affect I have no idea its linux, symbian, WinMobile.

Anyway, the writing is on the wall already. N8XX is going to change to a cellphone or it will die. You'll be able to keep your existing N8XXsince no one is going to come around and make you hand it over. However like my old Apple Newton, the N8XX will be frozen in time insofar as support and new apps go.

Sorry. And dont shoot the messenger.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Effect.

Also, the tablets are that device. Use a tablet for its intended purpose--web browsing, email, RSS--and you need never know what lurks beneath the UI. The ability to access the underpinnings is a bonus to those who want to do so and in no way interferes with the activities of those who don't.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

sjgadsby, I agree. I mis-spoke. It is cool to have it as a bonus.

UNfortunately, it seems that the people that want it as a bonus, me excluded, do not want it as a cellphone also.

THat device has a limted appeal and I would not buy it. Thats why I want Nokia to change the N8XX to have cellphone capability, hopefully the same linux based UI and OS, and hopefully also, the ability to access the OS and compile new stuff, etc.

But cellphone first.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Then it wouldn't be a tablet.. it'd be a cell phone. :P A tablet is for people who want a computer first (REAL web browsing--not the comparatively limited browsing experience of iPhones and N95, PC-like experience of being able to have flexibility and a layer underneath to tinker with and be able to use programs written by the community, etc.).

If they make a cell phone MODULE to add to it--GREAT! But first, I want it to be what I bought this one for.. a pocket sized tablet PC.

I'm unconvinced by your arguments that it should HAVE to have a cell phone nor does it make any sense to convince anyone that the tablet is a device without a market. I'm particularly unconvinced given the inability of vendors to keep them in stock for very long.

Last word indeed. :P

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

The tablet is more like the netbooks or small computers (EEE PC) then it is a cell phone.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Has anyone been credited with an "electronic device" + "cellular capability" version of Zawinski's Law yet? It seems to be the way of the times.


Those who do not understand Unix...

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

And just when I thought you couldn't be more wrong...

Dude, put down the bong. The Newton was mostly an island; the tablets are wireless network nodes. And they run a full suite of python out of the box. SHHHHHHHH.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Dont Shhhhhhhish me dude.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Sorry. Mis-spoke regarding the N8XX being an island insofar as new apps.

There will be new apps however Nokia will not update the hardware and thus, eventhough new linux apps will be compilable on the frozen N8XX, there will not be newer NXXXX's with higher rez screens, more RAM, etc.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

...are doomed to repeat it?

Gadsby's Law: "Every electronic device attempts to expand until it is also a cell phone. Those devices which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Well, anthonybuchanan, hear what I say: me too, I'd really *love* a phone-enabled internet tablet. Really. I'll buy one when it comes, for sure.
So, count me on your part :-)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

There's just something amusing about: "I, standing here alone, represent the common people. You lot over there, all of you, yes, even you, way in the back, don't know what people want."

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Kindle is about as close to a cell phone enabled tablet as you can get right now, I think. EVDO, even.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Wudda ya talkin' about. I (we) owe you about 5 more. Shhhhhh. Now 4.

But back to convergence.

Here is my to-each-his/her-own story:

I was the last person I knew to get a cell phone (Fall/winter 1999). Qole doesn't count 'cause I don't know him. That Samsung had a WAP browser and of course I got a data plan. I was surfin' the WAP web on my phone! Well, what I really wanted to do was remotely control my computers. Duh. So, after getting the RoadRunner web master to properly handle the WAP mime type ("the what?"), I was talking to my boxes. I also needed to develop my own version of ddns (it didn't exist yet; how do I apply for credit?) by using ftp to update the non-static IP links on my free RoadRunner home page. I'm not sure whether I had SMS at this time. Regardless, if needed I could have had my boxes call me (I still had a land line) if they just wanted to say hi or to tell me that the house was on fire.

This is where I differ from most of you hard workers out there; I spend a significant amount of time just doing proof-of-concept stuff. But my point is as far as I was concerned, I CONVERGED. This was Winter 2000. The rest was just going to be a SMOC.

So for me, all new technology since then have just been refinements. Some much better than others. And somewhere in this story is part of the reason this thread won't die. To each their own.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Are we bringing back up 'THOSE people?' :)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

So what's your prediction on iPod Touches (not iPhones, because they're more expensive [requires a plan] so an iPhone would be more compared to say your "convergence" devices for phones), EEE PCs, and other netbooks? Considering the tablet and other tablet like devices all fall into those categories. Will all of those stop as well? For Nokia this is an opportunity to not only use the nXXX as a testing stage for their phones but also for a new market that has emerged.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Well, I want me one of those Nokia 9000s with the Graphical LCD. I can't get enough of the clamshell form factor.

SHHHHHHHHISH!

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

On-screen help is where it's at for me.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

This illustrates another good point in that... my sister wanted a laptop so that she can wander the house and look over the kids while she did the college and work and stuff. I gave her my old N800 and she's finding that she LOVES it because it's ALWAYS around when she can't lug a laptop around--even something as small as the eee wouldn't be as available all the time. It's not that she needs the cell phone radio--it's that she just likes having a COMPUTER that she can always have tucked in somewhere and just connect up to a wifi wherever she ends up (coffee shop, restaurant, at the car shop, etc.).

It's less about the ubiquity of the cell phone (although that would be good too) but more about the USEFULNESS of an open and flexible product that everyone can develop for (like a computer) that you can take EVERYWHERE (like a Palm or a Nokia N8x0).

There's always the Palm Centro--which I DO like a lot.. but, it seems that it has limitations in most cases when you get one (locked!).. primarily intentional limitations imposed by the cell phone company and Palm to 'prevent abuse' in their words. Unlocked Centros are quite nice.. but hella pricey and I'd rather get a BT cell phone and a Nokia tablet and tether them together for the price.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I (not jokingly) want a clamshell form factor.

No, YOU! :p

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Mr. Buchanan,

The tablets are far from dead. This is not speculation, this is fact. Nokia has already clearly stated that there will be not just one, but at least TWO more successors to the NXXX line.

From what I can gather, they'll be announcing the next one in a couple of weeks in Berlin, where Nokia is sponsoring a "Summit" for the Internet Tablet community.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Seems a joke today but the 9000 was an awesome convergence tool at those times. I was online and enjoyed www browsing, email, telnet and ftp pretty everywhere at the equivalent of today's 4.5 eurocents/minute - plus I could send and receive telefax pages natively, and keep all my PIM stuff.
Now I crave a clamshell design as that on the NIT with 3/4G - possibly with metal hinges like those of the e90 (the hinges of the other communicators where too prone to break after few months of nerdish almost compulsively continuous use :-)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

*cough*

'Scuse me.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Close, but that doesn't have 3/4g either. (And isn't available yet. :p)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

The clamshell, while a very useful design, screams 1997 to me. Sometimes you want the screen but you don't want the keyboard; I like the N810's slide-out design for this reason.

(PS: debernardis, "awful" means terrible, perhaps you meant "awesome"?)

The question about Pandora is: will their specs look impressive when they actually start production?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I fear clamshells due to their hinges breaking (happened to a friend). Never happened to me though, but it's a constant fear. I even fear for my Nintendo DS sometimes (though then again it's Nintendo hardware which I've never had trouble with and their customer service is pretty good).

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Perfect for me... it should have wifi and bt.. which means I can have 3G and 4G.. or even 5G and beyond. I'm not stuck that way.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Sure, but it ain't "convergence" ala anthonybuchanan/debernardis. That's all.

(And I think I've made it clear I don't want either; I want some sort of slot/backpack/other module available so it's not fragile like an external USB port, nor interference prone like BT, nor yet limiting and soon-obsolete like built-in.)

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

The dude puts the N96 on the grass in the blazing sun. I wonder if it's waterproof?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I'm with you entirely! I've been saying all along that it would be really good if, instead of an internal SD slot (I'd easily give up an internal SD card slot) if I could have a cartridge-ilke port to slip in an upgrade card (like a PCMCIA type slot) for just such an occasion or for any other purpose (robot or motor controls, bar scanner, etc.).

The USB interface wouldn't be suitable for that sort of thing--way too flimsy.

Also.. heh.. 'interference pr0n'. :)

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Great feedback. Great arguments.

Ever get the feeling this thread has run its course and since people have differing opinions, we will likely never have a device the really and truly hits the sweet spot and take over the universe.

How about this. At 3PM tommorrow I will make my final assessment and no one posts to this thread again. This way I get the last word on the thread that I started.

Hi. If yu want the last word then start your own damn thread and proclaim it as "having run its course" and that you want to make a final assessment and, guess what, I would respect that and not make anymore posts.

Then you can walk away feeling like a "big man" that had the last word too.

Otherwise, we are doomed to keep this up and make it the most replied to thread in such a short time, in history.

Now just get your last wrords in and then shhhhhhhhish after that.

"This thread is dead", procalimed the thread starter.

"Elvis has left the building".

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Hate to leave this thread high and dry.

Here, "I'll give you a topic" (to start a thread about later on your own).

Start a thread on:

Cant think of antything at work now and have to finish something.

Anybody got any ideas on new topics for people to start new threads ?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

<ELIZA>Why do you need the last word on the thread you started?</ELIZA>

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Err.. this is a forum, there's no such thing like what your saying. Threads run their course until there's nothing left to say. And a thread's topic changes over time to different topics that somewhat relate to the main post (in this case a "convergence" device). For example, people have been talking about what should be in a convergence device or what featurees it should have. If a thread gets to far off course a moderator can then fork it though.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Yes, but they'd have to stop laughing long enough to do so, which could be hard. :D

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Hello? Are you new to bulletin boards and forums and the such.. or just the Internet as a whole? :) I'm not sure that you're quite "getting" the whole point of discussions. There need not be agreement nor a last word.. and, particularly useful, there might even be a third variable... the compromising solution which might suddenly leap up out of nowhere and savagely tear the problem in half.. usually born out of brainstorming sessions such as these.

Can we have a branched thread for features we want and another branch for corrections and errata to what we've said so that we can reintegrate these other branches back into this conversation thread?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

Ok my turn to be a smart butt. Its 3:23 here where is that This thread is closed post? Edit never mind its still today not tomorrow. Man I've been working to long.

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

I could argue that he might be the most experienced internet person on here. It's been true since the beginning of Usenet that if you wanted an answer to a question, you first answer it incorrectly from a different user name.

So, Anthony, who are you really?

Re: Found perfect convergence device. Its not a N8XX.
 

He also appears to have some sort of uncontrollable shaking, perhaps Parkinson's?

Ahhh...

So, I can say with great authority that the N96 camera has no stabilization. It doesn't seem to focus very well, either... Why does he keep bringing everything up to the lens so close that it is even harder to see what he's holding? I suspect he can't really see what he's recording, the sunlight is probably washing out the display...

I also find it interesting how similar the N96 looks... not to the N95, but to another company's iDevice.