Original source "5 step plan"-quote?
 

The infamous "5-step-plan" was, AFAIK, mentioned by some Nokia-guy when the N810 was introduced. I find a lot of references to this on google, but I don't find the original source: Who said it? When? And what was the exact wording? did it really count the N810 as "step 3" (with N800 being step 2) although both devices are almost identical both hardware- and software-wise?

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Thoughtfix has the video.

It was Ari Jaaksi see below, sometime last year at an event in the US, and, yes, the N810 is step 3.

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Consider that the N810 has a keyboard and built-in GPS, as well as improved screen usability. That's enough to warrant Step 3 IMO.

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It was in fact Anssi Vanjoki ("Executive Vice President, Markets") at the Web 2.0 Summit in San Francisco last October. I can't find the exact quote, but see for example here and here.

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I hope Nokia remains aware the internal GPS leaves much to be desired... :(

It was one of the reasons I bought the N810 instead of the N800... I think the N800 with external keyboard is more functional than the N810 though because of the 2 SD cards. Just my feelings, can't compare 1 on 1... but the point of the GPS stands IMO, even with A-GPS.

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Hehe, thought the accent didn't quite match up in my memory of the video.

I know thoughtfix posted a video of the talk somewhere, I can't seem to dig it up at the moment, though.

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Thank you, it's always good to see how helpful you guys are. "Anssi Vanjoki" was the piece of information I needed, thank you.


As for the N810 being step 3: It's very strange; remember when Nokia said the N810 was a sideline rather than the next generation after the N800? So they're not only counting the steps forward, there also counting when they step aside.

Anyway, this means we're talking about small steps; I now read Thoughtfix even said the WE is step 4, so whatever comes next (soon?) will be the mysterious step 5. With these minor differences, step 5 could well be something far less spectactular than I'd hoped for. (In my world, N800/N810/N810WE were all variations of step 2, so I was prepared for something really, really big in the end.)

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It's a plan with 5 steps, don't put to much stock in the size of each steps, it's just the steps we go through to get to the consumer-ready device.

No, the N810W is not step 4.

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It's been well communicated within our walls.

In this sense it was not meant as a direct replacement, which many assumed.

But sidestepping... eh, I won't go there. :D

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I don't think the N810 wimax edition was the step 4, actually.

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Hardware-wise the N810 isn't very different from the N800. If you take raw resources, it has the same CPU, while the N800 is faster than the 770. The N800 and N810 serve different purposes, and are somewhat complimentary. The 'N900' with OMAP3 won't be such a 'side step'.

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I would't be very surprised if Nokia decided for continuation of current policy with N900 (simplier version without keyboard) and N910 (full experience ;) ). In this way N900 would be step 3 and N910 step 3.5 .

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3G and 3.5G? :eek: :D

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No thinking about it, Quim has confirmed that the N810W is not step 4.

There's no such thing as an "N770".

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There is if you'd like to evade using trademarks ;)

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and "N800", "N810", and "OMAP3" are what, exactly? :rolleyes:

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.... speaking of trademarks: "Step" seems to be the trademark Nokia should register now that everyone is referring to the models as "Steps". Marketing-wise, even a sidestep is better than an nit.

And anyway: Even if some of the steps are smaller than expected (N800/N810): Who says the plan ends at #5? ;) The Grand Unified Gadget I had hoped for could still be, say, step 8 or 9. :D

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maybe a diagonal step? XD

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Step 5 will be The Great Leap Forward.

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Yeah, N800 and N810 aren't trademarks, and OMAP3 isn't a trademark by Nokia. But it sounds better in the line, too.

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The Great Leap Forward™ :)

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What are you rambling about? Did we specific only trademarks by Nokia? Is making up random defenses to your mistakes a standard part of your operating procedure?

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Yes, it was a mistake to include a 'N' before the name although for me it seems logical to include it. Now go whine about it on chat.

Although you appeared to have missed the freakin' wink. Do you know what a wink means, sexy boy? ;)

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I normally take it to mean someone's hitting on me, at least when it's in conjunction with the term "sexy boy". But I should let the General speak for himself.
Or a knight's move, maybe?

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Ah yes. In that context perhaps. On the Internet it usually means the remark should be taken with a grain of salt.

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How about a 970 with a hard case and no keyboard? ;)

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You opened a really big door with the non sequiter about lipstick. ;)

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Does this mean you do expect them to release devices that do not have a hard case??? I thought they learned their lessons and the next model will, of course, will include some kind of build-it screen protection (like the folding keyboard they patented a while ago).

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Doing my typical research, and can't find anything on the five steps, or the first 3. Anyone come up with that mysterious video? Thoughtfix??

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I hope step 5 is making this world a better place. Step 4 was clearly hardware Nirvana.

But more seriously what are is missing in the platform?
-RAD development (Qt and pyside/scripting/java such things)
-Ability to scale down to have cheaper phones also running maemo?
-Platform API stability?
-Sandboxes?
-Many users?(but this is hopefully Fixed in Frematle :p)

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As far as I remember, it wasn't a video, but an interview, I think with OPK or some vice president. Check around Mobile Review.

Edit: Just to clarify, the first mention of the 5 steps was not in this Nokia World 09, comes from way before. I remember there was a doubt that since Nokia went from Diablo to Fremantle (skipping Elephanta, actually integrating Elephanta features in Fremantle), then if Fremantle could be considered 4th or 5th.

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I seem to remember Quim starting the meme here in the old threads. I could be wrong though.

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fwiw http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...119#post320119

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Exactly. I remember seeing that video but I can't recall where. But basically is the story he repeated in the keynote yesterday.

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The real world is a very dynamic place where all plans are subject to change. These multi-year roadmaps are never going to be as fixed as some people might like to assume, and a good planner will always leave room to make radical changes as needed. It's only fiction that has rigid multiyear plans which actually work.

For example no one was expecting the Nokia 5800 to do as well as it did, I think Nokia's official prediction was 1 million units for the first quarter but it actually sold over 3 million. That probably had consequences for their Symbian planning and it's interesting that a year later we see four similar devices all on the way (5530, 5230, 5800 navigation, X6).

I would suspect the N97 will sell worse than expected because it's going to be wiped out by the N900 (almost same price but much better hardware) and the 5800 (almost same hardware but half the price) so that too would affect Nokia's plans.

I'm sure the sales of the N900 will have similar level of influence over Maemo's future, whether they're good or bad.

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I cant find his speech anywhere. He evidently puts many things in steps of 5, though, from reading his past stuff.

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The speech is incredibly difficult to find. Last time I dug it up, there were maybe 2 hits on Google using the terms I did. Sorry I can't recall them.

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Right, since I was at Nokia World '09, here's what (from memory) I heard OPK say in the day one keynote:

So, watch the video of OPK's keynote at Nokia World '09 and listen for the reference to the event where he talked about the five-step plan.

However, I'm with Quim (roughly). The detail of any 5-step plan they had in 2005 has been upturned by the iPhone - and more recently Android and webOS. Yes, the N900 is not a smartphone "mobile computer" than my mum would use - but in the technically capable, non-geek, gadget-loving subset of the mainstream it's a viable competitor to Android and webOS - and may even pick up some wannabe iPhone users.

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I was really suprised to see N97 selling 2 million units already, thought one big reason must be marketing for this device. Making the N97 seem like THE Nokia touch screen and the one to battle iphone and other TS phones.
I really hope Nokia puts time marketing the N900. Because if any Nokia product, this needs it. There's so much new and weird for the normal Nokia smartphone buyer and for those who have not gone for Nokia's smartphones before.

Nokia: networks may reject N900
http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/News/...ject_n900.html

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Actually I'll quibble with Kari Tuutti's assertion. I'll bet the network customization could conceivably be done with Maemo-- just that it would violate the spirit of the premise so it won't be done.