The Maemo.org website is so goddamn slow to load.
 

The Maemo.org website is so goddamn slow to load.
You'd think that such an organization would have faster servers. I'm starting to get frustrated with everything connected to Maemo and the N810. This open source stuff is so amateurish.

I've tried everything to get USB networking with my N810 Diablo and Mac OSX Leopard. I've tried USB Control and even this AJZaurusUSB (http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=AJZaurusUSB).

Is there anyway to downgrade to Chinook so I can use USB Networking with my Mac Leopard? According to a post I read here that USB Networking used to work on Chinook with the Mac OSX Leopard.

Re: The Maemo.org website is so goddamn slow to load.
 

Did you install the Dummy connection fix for Diablo?

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Super useful thread, btw.

Server upgrades are due to go live within the next few weeks (barring any big issues).

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Bundyo, What is the dummy connection fix? Where can I get it? My Diablo is updated with all the latest automatic updates?

GeneralAntilles, I wasn't complaining about the speed of ITT or the forums. This site (and the community) is great - fast, and very helpful. Couldn't be better. I was commenting about maemo.org. And if the server upgrades are for maemo.org, that is indeed good news. thanks.

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It is. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon.

You would think.

How does speed of a server have anything to do with the license agreement of the software contained on it? :confused:

Notice I did not quote your actual question. The thread title makes the question out of place.

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I realize that we had a big thread about the "golf words" filter--I believe that it was generally agreed that we would all be big boys and girls about our language--but do you have to use profanity in the thread title like this? It is not so bad in an individual post, but in the title it just never goes away.

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BrentDC,
"How does speed of a server have anything to do with the license agreement of the software contained on it?"...I didn't say anything about a software license agreement. I just meant that an organization's slow server makes me think that the organization is second rate and that the software "OKed" by that organization isn't up to par, unlike Apple with it's stringent rules for the iTunes App Store.

To sum it up, I'm not sold on "Open Source" being equal to or better than software produced by profit-based organizations like Apple or Microsoft. Nokia is profit-based but they use open source software on the N810.


eetimm, Sorry for the language. I'll be more careful in the future. I just get so darn irritated. Sorry.

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I believe you are slightly confused regarding what open-source software actually is. All it is is software licensed under the terms of the General Public License. And, if more loosely defined, a few other licenses derived thereof (LGPL, etc.).

So when you said Open Source is so amateurish, I was confused as to how the speed of a server somehow reflects that since "Open Source", is, in fact, a license agreement. I now understand your point, but also now disagree with it more. I might agree with the proposition that the cranky server somehow reflects badly on Nokia, or their motivation to their Tablet experiment, but to a license agreement used by thousands of companies and hundred of thousands of individuals? Hardly.

Just my opinion.

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You're close, but "open source" is best used to refer to any license conforming to the OSI's Open Source Definition, derived from Debian's Debian Free Software Guidelines, which is practically the same as the FSF's Free Software Definition. None of these make any reference to what the license is derived from, but concern themselves with the actual provisions of the license; in fact, BSD was releasing software meeting the FSD and OSD before GNU (and hence the GPL) existed.

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When I said derived, I was not intending to imply the traditional sense of the word, but derived in the fact that they are all based on the same concept (with slight variations). In fact, I believe that changing (creating a derivative license) is not allowed?

I should've been more clear.

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AFAIK, nobody's really put a license on their license, but I think creating a derivative license and applying it to your own work is fine; making a derivative license of the GPL and applying it to a GPLed work to which you do not hold copyright is not. But IANALATEIHSMBSI. ;)

(I Am Not A Lawyer And Therefore Everything I Have Said May Be Safely Ignored.)

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Since I'm the culprit who started this misunderstanding of "open source" I'll explain my misunderstanding a little more.

I've never read an open source license or agreement. I have a lay understanding from what I hear or read about it. And that is that it is open and easy for anybody to read and modify the source code of a project. This leads me to believe that an open source version of, say... UNIX, for example Ubuntu could possibly and probably be much less secure than Windows XP, Vista, 2000, any Apple OS, or SUN UNIX (Solaris). Why? Because any nasty hacker can get access to the code and add his/her back door that will allow viruses, worms, etc.

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I recommend reading up a bit then, as you clearly do not understand open source at all. :)

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TokyoDan, if your suspicion were true, then Linux would have never grown. In fact, the converse is true: Linux tends to be more secure. Even keeping things in proportion, Windows installations have been the least secure.

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Very true. Therefore, any "nasty hacker" can have as insecure an OS on his own computer as he likes, but as most people don't like viruses, worms, etc., he probably won't. He can't make anyone run his backdoor, and he'll have a really hard time getting anyone to by non-coercive means. (Well, unless he's as clever and well-placed as Ken Thompson, but you're not talking about that sort of thing... and nobody's really that well-placed anymore, anyway.)

The question is, do you trust your upstream, not someone else who can fork some weird variant? With Windows, that's MS, end-to-end. Maybe you do trust them, maybe you don't, but there's nothing to do about it.

With Linux, your upstream is Linus, his maintainers, and GNU (for the compiler); for a distribution, say Debian, it's the Debian maintainers, Linus, etc., and GNU (for the compiler and all the GNU software shipped).

If I don't trust Linus and the other kernel maintainers, I can check the source code for backdoors myself, or trust that the hundreds of developers working on the kernel, or the maintainers of my distribution, would notice.

If I don't trust Debian, I can build all my packages from source (where I either trust the source or check it out myself); GCC is the only piece that's really hard to verify, whereas there's no verification of anything from MS.

And of course, all that is still totally unrelated to maemo.org's server...

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Just to let you guys know. On this forum I did a search for "USB Dummy connections" and found a patch for Diablo that fixes the USB networking issue. It looks like it's going to work. I found the fix right before I had to leave for work and didn't have time to respond on this forum. Anyway it popped up the "new network connection" dialog on my mac. So it looks like it'll work. But I won't have time to really check it out until tomorrow night.
Thanks for you help and I sorry for stirring things up by saying bad things about open source and maemo.org in my irritation.

And eetimm...although I'm 60 years old, I guess I'm still not a big boy. But I don't feel so bad because of the way the really big boys (our business leaders, and government representatives) do things that their mothers hopefully taught them not to; such as lying, cheating, stealing, and talking all kinds of sh*t.

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Dan...

I agree the really big boys don't always show great leadership with their behavior and it disappoints me greatly. However, as imperfect as I am, trying to do the right thing is what keeps me from being one of them.

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You are completely right eetimm. And I try to do the right thing too. But sometime this world keeps me in a steady state of being pi**ed off.