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HowHH 2008-10-19 03:00

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Updated to 9.10 but kept the old image. Is it a placebo effect, or is everything loading noticeably faster? Especially LXDE. My only complaint is that darn one-line keyboard. I just can't figure it out! However, I have printing pretty well diaied-in. I can put together a how-to if anyone is interested.

Also ended up uninstalling the default installed browsers and going with Qole's endorsement of Midori. Loads quickly and can easily print from it.

Scarflash 2008-10-19 03:09

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o okay thx qole for the speedy reply.

hordeman 2008-10-19 03:10

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So, I keep running into an install error. The image will download, and then while untarring, I keep running into a "tar: debian-final.img.ext2: Wrote only xxx of 10240 bytes" and pretty much hangs/ crashes from there. I've tried installing twice, but came to the same issues. Previously reached 6560 and second time 2560 bytes.

Any ideas?

Scarflash 2008-10-19 03:30

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hey qole ur green arrow link button on ur first post doesn't work anymore..

qole 2008-10-19 03:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HowHH (Post 234673)
My only complaint is that darn one-line keyboard. I just can't figure it out!

Yeah, that one-line keyboard is my little "thing", it probably is quite confusing if you are someone ... who isn't me :D.

If you hit the "^1" key, the numbers turn into letters;

First, I chose the letters I use most often combined with "Ctrl" on the desktop. "Ctrl-z" is "undo", "Ctrl-x" is "Cut", "Ctrl-c" is "Copy", "Ctrl-v" is "Paste", "Ctrl-s" is "Save", "Ctrl-q" is "Quit", "Ctrl-w" is "Write" (or Save).

Then I put a letter I use by itself; "y" for "yes". This seems to come up a lot in the terminal.

As for "i" and "p", they're less-often used Ctrl combinations ("Ctrl-i" is used in vi for "insert" and "Ctrl-p" has several uses, including "Print"...)

If you manage to figure out how to get "Shift" and "^2" to work (it seems to involve hitting "Shift" then "^2" then "Shift" again), you get some punctuation and some other characters that come in handy.

If someone else can make a better one-line keyboard, please do! It is very simple; you edit the /home/user/.matchbox/keyboard-mini.xml, save the file, and toggle the keyboard on to test your changes. When you have a layout that you like, please post it here!

Also, I will gladly include keyboards with international layouts. There are a few examples around, but I don't have the patience or the experience to test them. If you get a keyboard layout that works for you, post it here and I'll bundle it with the next version.

qole 2008-10-19 03:35

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Scarflash: Oops! I was clearing out all of my old .deb files (so people wouldn't download old versions), and I accidentally deleted the install button file, too!

Thanks for seeing that! Fixed!

paulmorin 2008-10-19 05:20

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:( How does one get the icons to appear at the bottom of the Debian 'tree' wallpaper screen?? Don't have access to any functions. I have installed/deleted/reinstalled multiple times with no change. Someone in a previous post had the same problem. You posted a reply with a 'fix' but it doesn't apply to me. Help. Can't use without icons.

qole 2008-10-19 06:23

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paulmorin: I assume you are using LXDE? The default config of LXDE puts the "task bar" on the left side of the screen, not the bottom. What happens when you tap and hold on the screen?

Also, you really need to install the new image file; if you are using the old (pre-turbo) image file that used IceWM instead, things will not work correctly.

Do you get any errors when starting LXDE?

tolou 2008-10-19 07:17

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The clock in left corner isn't local time. It was in 9.6...

D'ohboy 2008-10-19 07:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 233152)
Yes, as I said in the beta testing phase, you can untar this tarball into a partition and use that instead.

EDIT: I read your other post more closely. You can use that method (copy everything out of the image file mounted on /debian and into a partition mounted on /opt), but don't mount the image file to /debian yourself, use "debbie" to do it for you. This way, you get the "turbo loop", which is much faster.

I'm sorry how do you use debbie to mount the image file?

qole 2008-10-19 07:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tolou (Post 234720)
The clock in left corner isn't local time. It was in 9.6...

You might need to resynch your Debian system clock to your Maemo clock.

Do this in a maemo terminal:

Code:

sudo closechroot
touch /home/user/.synchroot

Now start LXDE. It will take slightly longer, but the clock should be right again.

qole 2008-10-19 07:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D'ohboy (Post 234723)
I'm sorry how do you use debbie to mount the image file?

Follow the image mounting instructions (specifically the code block) in this post instead. They're more detailed, and my advice to use debbie was flawed; you don't want to have all of those bound directories that you would get using debbie...

tolou 2008-10-19 08:41

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qole - Today, 02:51 AM
Quote:
You might need to resynch your Debian system clock to your Maemo clock.

Do this in a maemo terminal:

Code:

sudo closechroot
touch /home/user/.synchroot

Now start LXDE. It will take slightly longer, but the clock should be right again.

---------

Worked! Excellent!

Rassilon7 2008-10-19 14:40

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*Stupid question alert*

Once installed is the "debian-final.img.ext2" file still required? Can I delete it? or is this where all of the files actually are?

Just wanted to say thank you, I am a real Linux newbie and this has really opened my eyes and expanded the usefulness of the NIT.

Steve

sondjata 2008-10-19 14:51

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back with the pegged CPU and no progress notification in the terminal downloading the debian-final.img.ext2

sondjata 2008-10-19 14:53

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bzip2 seems to be at work @ 76% Cpu followed by tar

sondjata 2008-10-19 14:57

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apparently something is happening since I can see the file in file manager growing in size.

qole 2008-10-19 16:26

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sondjata: after downloading, when de-archiving the image file, there is no feedback for approximately 15 minutes. You have to be patient. You can speed things up a bit by putting your CPU into performance mode during the process.

sondjata 2008-10-19 16:30

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OK. Installed. Slow as hell. Perhaps it's the limited memory. KDE is a whole 2 orders of magnitude faster.

qole 2008-10-19 16:37

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Lots of fun as always, I see.

paulmorin 2008-10-19 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 234711)
paulmorin: I assume you are using LXDE? The default config of LXDE puts the "task bar" on the left side of the screen, not the bottom. What happens when you tap and hold on the screen?

Also, you really need to install the new image file; if you are using the old (pre-turbo) image file that used IceWM instead, things will not work correctly.

Do you get any errors when starting LXDE?

I am using easy-deb-chroot-0.9.9-1, and debian-final-img.ext2 9/14/2008 1.1GB. I am using LXDE. There are a few icons in the upper left side. Nothing happens when I tap the screen. I thought I read in a previous post that the tree wallpaper contained icons that allowed you to set various options that make LXDE run the way you want. Am I mistaken?

qole 2008-10-19 23:15

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You tap-and-hold on the wallpaper, and a right-click context menu will pop up under your pointer. The last item, Desktop Settings, will let you choose new wallpaper, choose icon size, turn on thumbnails for file display, etc... There are some more settings on the system menu in the top left corner, under Preferences -> Appearance.

There are yet more settings to be found if you tap-and-hold on the left-hand panel. You can move it to other places (maybe you prefer the bottom, top or the right), change the the panel's colour, font, etc

Aisu 2008-10-19 23:43

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Qole, I just installed Debian flawlessly! Thank you so much :D The installer and all the applications worked without a hitch. The install didn't take long, either.

This is so awesome :)

Thanks again!

Scarflash 2008-10-20 00:34

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all right so i'm a bit perplexed. I downloaded the ch-root-debian but then it said i had to have an image file on my memory card. So I went to my extras menu and clicked on the debian image finstaller and it opened up xterm and downloaded debian-chroot-img-final onto my memory card. I then went to my app manager and checked for updated. I found, that ch-root-debian was corupt and tried updating it but it didn't work. What should I do?

moja 2008-10-20 02:09

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This looks real nice! Thanks qole! Very cool indeed!

With xubuntu getting more bloated, I'll have to give Debian & LXDE a try on my old AMD 1500 machine...

sondjata 2008-10-20 02:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 234840)
Lots of fun as always, I see.

NO offense man. Perhaps it's something with my config but it's really running slowly and the processor seems to be pegged most of the time. I even tried it from my cloned OS and still the same. KDE on the same hardware is much more responsive. I launched that CPU performance maximizer and it was still slow. That no feedback after clicking is really problematic.

Anyway. Appreciate the effort for the software and it was a good learning experience for me.

qole 2008-10-20 02:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarflash (Post 234930)
all right so i'm a bit perplexed... I then went to my app manager and checked for updated. I found, that ch-root-debian was corupt and tried updating it but it didn't work. What should I do?


I'm a bit perplexed too. I don't really understand what happened to you. What do you mean that easy-deb-chroot "was cor[r]upt"?

Scarflash 2008-10-20 03:15

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well nvm i fixed it by uninstalling it and installing it again. This time I got the whole where i wanted to place each shortcut (i.e. iceweasel, cpu-boost, etc.). Last time I didn't get that and the app manager just froze up and closed. Well now it's working and i'm downloading the 300mb file. :)

qole 2008-10-20 03:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 234948)
...it's really running slowly and the processor seems to be pegged most of the time....

Considering we're talking about a whole array of applications, "it" is not very helpful. The LXDE environment should load quickly and be quite responsive, but OpenOffice and Iceweasel take a long time to start, and they're both a bit sluggish on the tablet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sondjata (Post 234948)
KDE on the same hardware is much more responsive.

What part of KDE is more responsive? For me, the KDE environment is about the same as LXDE (although it takes a lot longer to start up), but the KOffice suite is definitely more responsive than OpenOffice and Konqueror is generally more responsive than Iceweasel. But many people prefer OpenOffice and Iceweasel and will live with some sluggishness.

qole 2008-10-20 03:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rassilon7 (Post 234801)
Once installed is the "debian-final.img.ext2" file still required? Can I delete it? or is this where all of the files actually are?

Oops, just saw this question...

Yes, the debian-final.img.ext2 file holds all of the data for the Easy Debian project. It is like a virtual disk inside a file. When you run a Debian program, this file is mounted like a disk drive.

Scarflash 2008-10-20 04:10

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all right i got everything fixed. how do i adjust the resoloution since parts of my screen are cut off.

hordeman 2008-10-20 04:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 234960)
Oops, just saw this question...

Yes, the debian-final.img.ext2 file holds all of the data for the Easy Debian project. It is like a virtual disk inside a file. When you run a Debian program, this file is mounted like a disk drive.

One other question: I want to move the image file, but once I do, I'm not sure what file I need to edit to reflect this. I remember seeing something about this during the installation, but I don't see an answer in the first post's FAQs. Thanks!

qole 2008-10-20 06:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hordeman (Post 234967)
One other question: I want to move the image file, but once I do, I'm not sure what file I need to edit to reflect this. I remember seeing something about this during the installation, but I don't see an answer in the first post's FAQs. Thanks!

If you put the image file on /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2, Easy Debian will find it and use it. If you put it somewhere else, you will have to edit /home/user/.chroot and change the value of IMGFILE. It should be fairly obvious what to do when you look at ~/.chroot

syam 2008-10-20 12:57

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I am trying to follow the FAQ for the virtual keyboard for N800, but when I select the "Set Debian HW Keys" nothing happens.

Any help? Thanks.

paulmorin 2008-10-20 14:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 234923)
You tap-and-hold on the wallpaper, and a right-click context menu will pop up under your pointer. The last item, Desktop Settings, will let you choose new wallpaper, choose icon size, turn on thumbnails for file display, etc... There are some more settings on the system menu in the top left corner, under Preferences -> Appearance.

There are yet more settings to be found if you tap-and-hold on the left-hand panel. You can move it to other places (maybe you prefer the bottom, top or the right), change the the panel's colour, font, etc

Works great. Thanks so much.

hbail 2008-10-20 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by syam (Post 235026)
I am trying to follow the FAQ for the virtual keyboard for N800, but when I select the "Set Debian HW Keys" nothing happens.

Any help? Thanks.

Did you try hittin the (-) on top of the table and then the Menu button?

syam 2008-10-20 16:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hbail (Post 235048)
Did you try hittin the (-) on top of the table and then the Menu button?

I missed them, I was expecting that some thing pops up when select "Set Debian HW Keys".

Thanks.

Picklesworth 2008-10-20 17:34

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A note about Java:

I noticed that there was no java command when I first installed this by copying the compressed image into a spare partition. I needed to run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" at which point I could then choose the correct runtime and the "java" command was created.

This is REALLY nice. LXDE impresses me :)

Actually, another note for that one:
You can lower the font size! Go to the Appearance preferences. On the Window page (no idea why it's called that...) there is a Font button to the bottom left. Yay!

And for the uninitiated, it may interest you to know that with GTK, the various themes there affect performance since they are each powered by different theme engines.


Funny error message of the day:
"gcj-dbtool4.3 succeeded unexpectedly" :P

qole 2008-10-20 17:40

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Picklesworth: It sounds like you know your way around Java. I know very little about it and I would love to hear your impressions of the Open JDK on the tablet.

Picklesworth 2008-10-20 18:06

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Sorry, I know nothing of Java. Just took some digging about Debian's alternatives system :)

I'm doing a little course on computer hardware design and have been wanting to run the hardware simulator on my tablet. Finally we have a Java WM that works at a good enough speed so I can get back to learning! (A year later...)

Now I just need a little bit more vertical screen space and I'm set. Is there a key I can hold to drag a window from anywhere in OpenBox? (For example, with Metacity in GNOME, you can hold Alt to drag a window, allowing you to drag its title bar off the screen).

Edit:
Aha! The Menu key does it, of all things. I guess that's mapped to Alt...


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