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Jesus taught compassion. This is what inspires Women On Waves.

From what I gathered the people there have a different attitude than in the rest of the USA. But I've roughly only been there; not so much other parts of USA.

I suggest: listen, don't use one source for information, look into the religion if it interests you. Just like with science.

Don't become attached to one religion. Study religions, take what you like, discard the rest. That is what I did, and sometimes still do. We all have morals and ethics. It is up to you to create your own.

The advantage of this is that I know positive sides of many religions. :) The negative are easily to get, e.g. via news.

To be frank I'm failing for I haven't figured a positive side of Scientology yet... but thats my problem :D

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Well.... Santa Claus is based on the Dutch 'Sinterklaas' (Sint-Nicolaas), who was a Greek bishop of Myra (now Turkey) in ~300 A.D. You can read more here.

And, if you've never has them. Try to buy some speculaas cookies. They're an old tradition here 9especially on Sinterklaas), and very tasty.

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How manipulative. Then don't capitalize muslim at all.

Said the one who's UN soldiers didn't do anything to protect the muslim enclave Sjebrenijca. So what? Whats your point?

You assume I agree with the assessment I quote.

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As one who is in the process of emigrating to another country, one where I am uncompromisingly expected to either adapt or be forever branded as a second-class resident, I find the voluntary dhimmitude of Europeans revolting, especially towards a backward and ******ed ideology that disguises itself as a religion.

So: yes.


Maybe, but contrary to Christianity, scientific tolerance is not really part of islam. Just go look up what kinds of things tend to "happen" to people who do research into the figure of Mohammed outside of the writings of the koran.

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But that's not my country; I'm Flemish. Besides, I can tell you've been very unilaterally "informed" about what exactly happened and is happening in the Balkan. The use of the term "enclave" alone is rather telling.

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Well, I heard that probably Jesus never existed as well. He's said to be personification of a savior character of some Jewish sects. Some guy named Paulus must have been so obsessed about this idea that he founded a new religion based on legends from these sects.
There's an interesting book on this theory. "The Christ Myth" by Arthur Drews, from about 100 years ago.

In the end it might turn out that the only religion founder who ever really existed was LaVey...
Oh, and Linus Torvalds of course! :D

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Which one?

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I will ask again, since my thread appears to be hijacked.

"Can't we all just get along"

If you are a Christian talk about your Christian beliefs instead of trying to "educate" others on Islam. If you are a Muslim talk about your Islamic beliefs. If your an Athiest feel free to talk about why you don't believe, but don't act like people who do are stupid.

Seriously can't we have a conversation about our differences without resorting to name calling.

So I am asking, please, can't we all just get along. I did not intend this post to cause a religious war.

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i would say that the big diff between chirstianity and islam is that most of chirstianity had the extremism beaten out of it between 1000 and 1600 or there about.

on the other hand, islam is just hitting that age of strife (the religion got going around 900 iirc).

and while the "bending knees and wrapped women" style makes for a lot of press, there are as many of not more that deal with islam as most of europe deals with christianity. a starting point for a moral code, but not something that one follow by the letter.

question is, can the rest of the world hold out while islam gets its collective pubertal rebellious energy burned?

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That's what we call St. Nikolaus in Germany. His date is Dec. 6th. The person we know as Santa Claus is a derivation of the Holly King, the red-clad spirit of celtic origin, who visits the people on Yule tide (Dec. 25th). Some nordic-influenced languages (e.g. English, Norwegian) still have the name yule as synonym for christmas.

And speculaas are really tasty. :D

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Karel, you're running away from a problem.

This is the country I am living in:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5...16vr009jz6.jpg

In 1600 A.D. witches were still burned. But, most of Europe was converted to Christianity so in that sense you're right...

Its a younger religion which did same to regions around Saudia Arabia as Christians did around Rome: converting people & destroyin their old (fractured) belief systems.

We had wrapped women in 1600 in Europe. Voila

Also, some Christians still think in a 'us versus them' rhetoric. They still murder, too. For their own benefit, using their religion when it suits them. But in their religion it says murder is wrong...

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I'm starting to understand why posting about religion or politics are against the rules on most forums! :D

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Can you PLEASE take your chat with Karel to the PM's so we don't have to wade through it anymore.

PLEASE!

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Sigh, I don't think it's going to happen.
I'm Muslim but in all honesty, I don't really know much about my religion to argue back (I'm not religious, so I guess for me, it's like the argument in here before about if you are a Christian if you aren't religious) . So I'll get the popcorn and sit back :) (at the risk at sounding like I don't care, but I do.). I won't deny I'm finding it sad to hear all this but at the end of the day, I'm whoever I am regardless of religion and I guess that part of me is willing to listen (if this makes sense...).

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You're conveniently forgetting L. Ron Hubbard.

And there actually is some (not much) confirmation about the existence of Jesus, contrary to Mohammed. But I do agree there's a lot of Messian "contamination" in the Gospels.

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Why?
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Do you nean you actually started this thread, expecting none of this? Are you really that naive?

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No, it wasn't beaten out. Christianity has been a very pro-science religion from the beginning (contrary to the asinine atheist propagancda fla°oating around), and Christians got rid of their extremists by themselves.

So we have to be nice to the ******ed muslims? I don't exactly recall that to be the party line against Hitler's atavistic fascism:

You mean, like in Turkey? Oh wait...

Why should the rest of the world accomodate these ******ed desert dwellers? They have to adapt to us, not the other way around.

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You are so wrong it isn't even funny anymore. Go be a dhimmi then, see if I care.

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No.

You started it...

Ceterum censeo Islam delendam.

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All I can say is no religion is 100% pure and devoid of evil.

Catholic Inquisition, Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre, Muslim/Islamic Fundamentalists/Extremists...

Crazy people are just bloody crazy.. regardless of religion. Just some crazy people are able to get a bunch of idiots to follow said crazy person and do crazy crap.

Nobody can really claim a "higher" chair here. I've known plenty of good, decent people from all sorts of religions. I served in Iraq for 2 years and met plenty of Iraqi's that loved us over there.. for the most part they were no different than anyone else. Just a bunch of people that live in a country formally ruled by a cruel and malicious dictator; and now suffer at the hands of the remaining "extremists".

I agree with PB in that most of us here are Above-Average IQ; decent; hard working people that are perfectly fine as human beings .. and while you may attribute your "goodness" to your faith or religion that certainly doesn't mean the rest of us AREN'T "good" because we used an alternate method.

For the most part.. this forum has plenty of Fine folk and are not the problem in any of the respective religions (or lack there-of.) And as someone that has both lived in muslim areas and even OWN a Qur'an purchased IN a middle east country (it has both arabic and english translations side-by-side) and I have actually read it; and the King James Bible; I can say that there are plenty of perfectly fine Muslim people. The Qur'an has plenty of dark parts.. but it's not like Revelations had everyone smiling and loving life; or that God didn't send Joshua to slaughter a town (Jericho); including women and children.

Sure.. there's biblical justification for all the darker parts in both books.. but if you are to condemn one; you should condemn all; or none at all.

I'm more with the latter.. I don't condemn any of them flat out.. I just condemn the people that take it "too far"; so to speak.

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Right.... Those enlightened and "Scientific" Christians who happened to have determined that Africans were somehow not human. Right, those " Peaceable Muslims" who ransacked North East Africa and then North West Africa, taking down Songhai which lead to the Jihadi wars that fed directly to the North Atlantic slave trade.

Both of whom owe the origins of their religions to the Egyptians yet spend an inordinate amount of time evil talking those very same people.

The problem here is that people simply don't want to own up to the "ish" that their religions condone and have condoned. Karel is right about the warfare ideology, I've read the research. You really can't argue when the right hand man of Mohammed is named the "sword of Islam" Nor can you argue when Mohammed is on record berrating his general for killing a king NOT because killing is wrong, but because the king had declared allegiance to Islam.

Personally I have issues with both Islam and Christianity because they are arrogant religions that deem that they have THE truth and that everybody else has to get with them or are deserving of some specialized punishment. It's arrogant and has claimed many victims across the globe.

I'm done.

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And please.. enough of the "Abrahamic" nonsense:

http://garveys-ghost.blogspot.com/20...amic-what.html

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It's apparent there are too many people who are just intollerant of others views. It's sad really. I never meant this to turn into an attack on Muslims or people of any faith. It was meant to be light, how many Jedi's or Linux prophet are running around. Yet some have decided its an opportunity to incite hate.

There are some people in here that just need to grow up, and look at themselves for opportunities for improvment.

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chatolics vs protestants? i didnt say it was a outside force that did the beating...

reductio ad hitlerum? also known as godwin's law?

maybe a bit further north. i have a uncle by marriage (or whatever the expression would be) thats you would not guess was muslim unless he basically told you so. he came to norway fleeing the civil war in what was yugoslavia.

not that anything out of taliban or similar would claim him to be a proper muslim. but then neither would some groups here in norway say that im a proper christian, so...

i would say that sword swings both ways. "my way or the highway" style just ends up with broken noses and bruised egos, at best...

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Instead of playing the hurt primadonna, you might have considered the consequences of starting a thread about people's most intimate convictions.

Or maybe you want me to start a "poll" on the number of homosexuals, or pedophiles, or serial killers in this forum? And subsequently complain that things have gotten a bit intense?

Personally I don't mind heated discussions, because they're just that: discussions. As long as noone flies planes into other people's buildings, only feelings can get hurt, and they're the easiest ones to mend. Besides, if you wanted that "happy happy, joy joy" feeling, what are you doing on the internet in the first place?

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heh, in hindsight i guess one should have seen the warning signs in the horizon...