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bongo 2008-11-19 01:01

[Announce] Manage your stuff with stuff
 
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Stuff is a tool to manage items. Your items are organized in databases and categories.

You can add default fields for categories so all new created items will have these fields. But you can also add custom fields to every item.

Using combobox as field type, you can enter a comma separated list of entries for this combobox.

Keys:
Fullscreen: toggles fullscreen
Menu: toggles listview/thumbview

When browsing items in listview only default fields from each category will appear. Maybe I'll change this

Don't forget to save all changes you make!!
I'll add an autosave option soon

EDIT:

Current version:
http://kup.vdst-aachen.de/maemo/stuff_current_all.deb

HOWTO:

1. add a new database
2. enter your new database
3. add a new category
4. enter your new category
5. add some default fields
all new items will have this field
6. add new items
7. clicking on an item will open a new window.
you can edit values here or add/remove custom fields


Please, try my app and post comments and bug reports :)

bongo

eliagp 2008-11-19 01:32

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looks neat, I'll try it when I can

Nelson L. Squeeko 2008-11-19 02:55

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Neat program. One question, how do you edit the name of a database, category, or item?

bongo 2008-11-19 03:01

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Sorry, in this version you can't edit names, but I'll change this soon!

paulkoan 2008-11-19 03:58

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Does this use a "standard" db format so that the stuff in Stuff can accessed from other / desktop apps?

bongo 2008-11-19 04:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 243043)
Does this use a "standard" db format so that the stuff in Stuff can accessed from other / desktop apps?

No, it is a simple binary format. But I want to change this to something else, maybe sqlite. There will be even some kind of import and export so you can backup your things and transfer it somewhere else.
Please post your ideas on this!


btw.

I've uploaded a new version, now you can rename databases, categories and items

paulkoan 2008-11-19 04:25

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Yeah. Using a netpad to capture information is good, but I think there would always be a need to manage that data from a PC - without going through export/import hoops.

Stuff uses a database/category/field/data hierarchy, and this is a fairly standard hierarchy.

I am wishing that there could be a standard format behind applications such as this so that things like Keepass, Notecase, BasKet, Stuff etc could interoperate, and also that the format supported brick level synchronisation so that we could modify the same db on two devices and have it all work out. Like the way that ewallet does.

All these applications do different things - provide solutions to different types of problem - but the underlying data structures aren't massively different. If there was a standard, then we could separate the data from the presentation.

Dream on.

bongo 2008-11-19 10:17

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Update:

stuff 0.9.1
with some fixes
- Delete Category button was not working
- Items, categories and databases can be renamed now

http://kup.vdst-aachen.de/stuff_0.9.1-1_all.deb

bongo 2008-11-19 20:25

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Update

stuff 0.9.2

New settings dialog:
- enable autosave
- enable textless buttons (more space)
- set to start in fullscreen

You can toggle textless buttons with + and -

Get it here:

http://kup.vdst-aachen.de/stuff_0.9.2-1_all.deb

Next:
- error/warning handling
- better search dialog
- more settings
- some minor gui improvements

To be done until 1.0:
- export/import data
- new format to store data (maybe sqlite or xml)

After 1.0:
- some sort of client/server solution with syncing

Laughing Man 2008-11-19 20:53

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If there's no common database, you could always just port the application over to a full Linux desktop or Windows/Mac? That way there would be some inter-operatibility. That's what I do with Notecase.

bongo 2008-11-19 21:01

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This application works on my linux desktop (with some minor issues) so you can use the database on your desktop system. But I think it would be also possible with xml. It would be very easy to use saved data in different kind of applications.

Nelson L. Squeeko 2008-11-20 19:08

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I've run into a problem with the program. When I downloaded the upgraded version (with the autosave) I decided to test out the autosave function. I created a new category, and then exited without hitting save. When I tried to open the program again, nothing seems to happen. In the top right hand corner of the screen it says its opening Stuff, but thats as far as it goes. Seems like its crashing while opening.

Since its happened, I've tried rebooting, as well as uninstalling and re-installing the program. Still no change.

bongo 2008-11-20 22:23

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look into your home directory ( "/home/user/" ) and delete stuff.db and settings.db

Until version 1.0 there may be problems with old databases and updated versions of stuff (sorry for that)

bongo 2008-12-09 08:54

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Hi.

I'm working on a new version. This time I'll switch to sqlite as database. As a result there will be much better code and data can be accessed from other apps. The database api will be frozen so there won't be problems with different app and db versions.

Using my own app I found out I don't need a save button because I use autosave.

My questions:

- do you use autosave?
- is it really necessary to have a save button?

- do you like the button bar on the left or on the right?

- do you like the thumb view?
I like the list view so my thought is to drop thumb view

bongo

paulkoan 2008-12-09 22:27

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I don't use your application (yet), but I do use BasKet, notecase and maemopad.

From a saving perspective, I think you either need to have autosave + a save button (the button for piece of mind), or remove the concept of saving all together, and have a proper "save as you type" type storing that you get with BasKet and OneNote.

One thing that bugs me about notecase is that it does autosave, but to an autosave file rather than the notes file you are editing. So that if you crash out for any reason, you have to recover the autosave and save it over the your real notes file.

I would prefer if it auto-saved in place, and just had some versioning to cater for the situation where you deleted or edited something by mistake.

bongo 2008-12-10 10:00

Re: [Announce] Manage your stuff with stuff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 248297)
One thing that bugs me about notecase is that it does autosave, but to an autosave file rather than the notes file you are editing. So that if you crash out for any reason, you have to recover the autosavande and save it over the your real notes file.

I would prefer if it auto-saved in place, and just had some versioning to cater for the situation where you deleted or edited something by mistake.

Stuff has an autosave option and save buttons but I think people won't use the save buttons if there is some kind of undo function (thats's how I want it to be).

Autosave and normal save use both one file but I think it could a bad idea if stuff crashes.

mettalph 2009-01-02 11:22

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Add support for images would be useful. I am cataloging my collection of coins and felt a lack of something.

But still is very good. Congratulations for this working.

bongo 2009-01-03 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mettalph (Post 254019)
Add support for images would be useful. I am cataloging my collection of coins and felt a lack of something.

But still is very good. Congratulations for this working.

This is already planned together with some kind of date/time field. But it will take some time because I'm working on the new database backend (sqlite3).


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