We need a firmware update...
 

The iphone/ipodd had a firmware updatewhich includes podcaxt downloads and google street view...


isnt it time for us for a major firmware upgrade?

features i would like in the upgrade,

1. video via gtalk
2. more faster web loading.
3. better flash playback including non youtube flash
4. faster scrolling and panning like in liqbase
5.The regular dose of bug fixes.

come on nokia give it to us! or you can just release fremantle!

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

There's a lot of issues with modest that should be fixed. I'm waiting for the next SSU, too.

What makes me wonder, though, is that they start closing bugs in bugzilla with "will be fixed in fremantle", which means they'll bite us forever on non-Fremantle devices. - Looks a lot like the 770-syndrome. :(

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Looks like you're looking for a Christmas present, as Apple kids got it already... :)

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

I'll gladly wait another month for some serious update :) That would be a perfect Christmas present for me and a wonderful Birthday present for my one-year-old N800 :D

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wait, and thou shalt receive.

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Thanks Texrat! Now we can start another discussion thread where everybody's second cousin's father-in-law who knows a bartender that serves Nokia engineers' wives will let us know when we can expect the update. Not to mention the ever expanding list of bug fixes and new features.

Howard

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I love those threads!

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Stskeeps is working on a new progect witch is called "Maemo Reconstructed" (Mer), witch will be the successor of Deblet and is aimed at a "user-frendly, hackible, flexible and, powrful" user experience. It will also use some similar components that Fremantle will be using; xserver-xorg instead of xomap for an example, and will be using Ubuntu for the base system (from mojo) and will be using several components from maemo and deblet, witch is whi it is called maemo reconstructed. It will also have the ability to fully support Hildon and possibly even maemo applications, but would still support other desktop environments such as kde and gnome if hildon isn't for you.

Currently Mer is still in it's early stages of development, however, if you wish to get involved, pm Stskeeps and he will get you started.

You can find for information about Mer from theas links:
http://jaiku.com/
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Reconstructed
https://launchpad.net/m-r
http://www.jaiku.com/channel/reconstructedPOC

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

For good measure - this is a proof of concept system we're doing. The proposal was called Maemo Reconstructed, but the proof of concept system is called Mer (we cannot call something Maemo obviously, as this has nothing to do with Maemo, other than being a project that may eventually help with things).

The purpose is to support future OS development done in the tablet community and to aid in helping Maemo to be more in alignment with standard distributions and serve as an experimental community platform..

What Mer is not:

* A Maemo competitor - Mer is meant as a proof of concept to research in what directions may be feasible and which may not be, to serve as properly researched and documented community input to the Maemo platform.
* An Nokia/Maemo-backed effort, - 100% done by tablet enthuiasts
* Something that is installable here and now
* Ready for use


.. Just to clear things up :)

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

Thanks for correcting me ;)

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

My Hildon Desktop kept crashing. Disabled Modest's background e-mail checking, and no crashes.

And yeah. I think we're heading for 770 territory here. Let's hope for a Fremantle Hackers Edition using LiqGL, a software OpenGL implementation that uses lcuk's fast rendering methods...

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I still have mixed fellings about Nokia leaving the N800/N810s in the dust when it comes to Fremantle. It gives me a sort of lonlyness, depressing, sad and, empty felling. :(

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Based on your sig, I would say you've left Nokia in the dust. ;)

Frank

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

Nah, that sig is 3 months out of date. I'm just too lazy to update it. :p

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I thought it was unconfirmed if Fremantle will be unavailable for N8xx series? Is it Diablo forever for my N800?

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I would understand if eye candy just wouldn't work on the N8x0 and therefore we'd not have the same version of Maemo5. And, to be honest, I couldn't care less.

But I'd assume many of the underlying changes (Bluez with A2DP, Meta Tracker, Pulse Audio, upstart, the new calendar engine.....) could be backported to the existing hardware, as could bug fixes in applications (like modest). This wouldn't be a clean 1:1 copy in most cases, but I'm sure it could work well enough to have at least the functionality of Maemo5 on an N800, without the eye candy.

The question is who would have a (commercial) interest in doing this. Nokia wants to sell hardware.

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Mhm... Yes, it is unconfirmed. Which IMHO means 'No'.

In my company, when we start on a software project, we set goals. The management communicates what they want, and the busy ants start coding 28 hours a day. Because all this work makes the ants tired, they don't do more than they need to do.

In other words: Either N8x0-compatibility would be a goal set in advance by the management (then it's a feature that they could confirm right here and now), or it's unconfirmed because nobody set it as a goal in the Maemo5-project - which in turn means nobody will work to achieve it.

But that's only how my company works. Maybe Nokia's different. ;)

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question then becomes, will fremantle be so sexy that some kind of community diablo continuation will be impossible because of fragmentation of said community?

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I've somewhat been baffled by the fact that everyone seems to think that the eye candy expectred in fremantle (cluster, etc) would be impossible/improbable for the NXX series when projects like canola seem to use similar technologies just fine. Yes, there is a performance cost, but if it does appear to be possible.

Re: We need a firmware update...
 

its mostly that nokia will probably hinge them on the 3D chip that will have drives in whatever new devices nokia makes. the unknown is this, will they bother to make a software render for them, or not?

imo, the likelyhood is that they wont, as nokia sells hardware, not software. and doing support on products thats been phased out by more recent ones basically costs them money.

and if one wants evidence of past actions, there is always the handling of the 770 to point at...

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Canola uses nothing of the sort. EFL in Canola is highly optimized for 16bpp and the tablets, it does not require 3d acceleration, and it doesn't really work all that well despite all of its optimization.

So, no, there's no equivalency here.

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It is so funny reading GA's posts these days, imagining that happy, smiling face saying all those grouchy things :D ;)

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"They" is quite often "me", and I also don't know about Nokia's plans, unfortunately. Some internal developer teams already concentrate on Fremantle instead of Diablo it seems, some fixes are definitely too complex to backport, and for some fixes I have the feeling that people are afraid of the internal testing procedures that have to be passed first.

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Well, whether Nokia provides an official port or not, it'll be a lot easier for the community to roll their own this time around than it was with the 770, as a lot more stuff is open these days (it's much easier to use a newer browser when you've actually got the source ;)). The open wifi driver, in particular, will make things much, much easier as it means we're not tied to a particular kernel version.

Mer + Fremantle versions of open-source Maemo stuff should be quite interesting.

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We can only pray Karel does not follow suit.

It will certainly be one of the final signs of the apocalypse.

:p

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Hopefully another sign of the Apocalypse will be a man, riding on a white horse, giving us the N900.