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Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by eliagp (Post 245502)

I said before, i think you should put the "Fixed in Freemantle" but also leave it open until freemantle is released, or another solution is found.

s/Freemantle/Fremantle/

This isn't how the process works, and it doesn't actually do anything productive beyond supposedly soothing those of you that can't get over existing releases eventually being expired.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

Soothing isn't bad. We have a full thread of un-soothed people here. :)
And yeah, we are all scared that our devices get left aside, when the new one gets here.
Thats why "Fixed in Freemantle" ain't getting a whole buch of smiles. We just want to hear that the N8x0 are still getting attention. Complaining about the bugzilla is asking that. Maybe it isn't the right way, but heck, I know I'm nervous. I don't have the kind of money to get a new device. I want to be soothed.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 245089)

You rather prefer Fremantle's part of Bugzilla to be closed?

That's not the only other option.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by eliagp (Post 245510)

And yeah, we are all scared that our devices get left aside, when the new one gets here.
Thats why "Fixed in Freemantle" ain't getting a whole buch of smiles. We just want to hear that the N8x0 are still getting attention.

Exactly. If Nokia or whoever came out and said, once and for all, that _they_ would be porting fremantle to our devices, then I'm sure most everyone here would be happy. So far, all we've had are vague assurances that "the community" will be able to port fremantle for us. Who knows how long that would be likely to take (no disrespect to the very talented community) or even if it's going to work properly when it arrives.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 245486)

I fail to see how the alternative would be better: I would know that we are going to do this enhancement in some release, but I would then keep this information all to myself, up to the day when Fremantle is then actually launched. How would that be better?

Why not commenting the bug (Like you did) but letting it opened?

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by Boke (Post 245568)

Why not commenting the bug (Like you did) but letting it opened?

Because that's not how it works. When an enhancement is roadmapped, it's marked as FIXED.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by pixelseventy2 (Post 245538)

If Nokia or whoever came out and said, once and for all, that _they_ would be porting fremantle to our devices, then I'm sure most everyone here would be happy.

Even if they were to do that, it would still leave us with bugs that are closed in bugzilla, but still unfixed for over half a year (and probably more). What is SSU for?

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by Peet (Post 245464)

there has been the expectation that (...) Nokia would commit enough resources to 1) take the mobile platform design forward

Work in progress. Fremantle and Harmattan will probably make us see Diablo as we see Bora and Mistral today.

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, and also to 2) enable the small but growing developer and enthusiast community to maintain new software on the existing hardware.

We are commited to http://wiki.maemo.org/Objective:Maemo_variants

About the rest,

Investing more resources having Fremantle fixes available also for Diablo might look like a more sustainable approach but... what if investing heavily in the future releases is actually the best way for Maemo to become really sustainable?

There is not such 'planning early obsoletion'. If you think device manufacturers make better business through obsoletion than through user satisfaction and customer retention, think twice. This sector is simply running fast, very fast. Look around. Not being fast is not very sustainable and to be fast you need to set priorities and make compromises.

On the other hand Maemo SW is funding 3 *masters for community activities and a fourth one is coming (debmaster). We could have less investment done there and more e.g. making Diablo users happier in the short term. But would that be more sustainable?

By prioritizing stronger future releases and a stronger community we fulfill better your 1) 2) points above and (we believe) all we are in a more promising and sustainable Maemo path.

PS: Actually Nokia seems to care about the environment. Longer life for devices is part of this trend, and thanks to Maemo's openness that longer life doesn't depend on Nokia alone.

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 245572)

Because that's not how it works. When an enhancement is roadmapped, it's marked as FIXED.

Really? I'm sure the poster you were responding to hadn't figured that out. :rolleyes:

Re: "Fixed in Fremantle"

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Originally Posted by mullf (Post 245619)

Really? I'm sure the poster you were responding to hadn't figured that out. :rolleyes:

Apparently not, because it's not the first time I've responded to that 'solution' in this thread. :rolleyes: