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tso 2008-12-02 18:55

Re: N900 release tomorrow?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246303)
Official word on Linux and Nokia phones:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0081202?rpc=44

tablets niche devices? ouch. i hope that was the reporter talking, not the nokia exec...

allnameswereout 2008-12-02 19:04

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 246320)
tablets niche devices? ouch. i hope that was the reporter talking, not the nokia exec...

Answer: it is not in quotes so it is the reporter. Stop spreading nonsense... ;)

johnkzin 2008-12-02 22:18

Re: N900 release tomorrow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 246303)
Official word on Linux and Nokia phones:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0081202?rpc=44

Which boils down to:

"They could use Linux on their phones" ... which we already knew :-)

johnkzin 2008-12-02 22:21

Re: N900 release tomorrow?
 
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Originally Posted by rjzak (Post 246250)
So then how do they at least have the same frequencies for GSM/GPRS/EDGE? Not an auction.

I have no idea how the 850MHz frequencies are/were handled.

What I know is that the 1700MHz frequency had to be obtained via auction. And I'm assuming the same is true of the 1900MHz frequency (I'm happy to be proven wrong about that). AT&T won the latter. T-Mobile won the former.

Quote:

And I still say its T-Mo's fault, never blamed Nokia, except for Nokia not sending over some awesome devices for T-Mo 3G.
I never blamed Nokia (I had a typo to that effect in the original message, but I quickly edited it out).

And I stand by my assertion that it's the FCC/US-Gov's fault, and not T-Mobile's.

Texrat 2008-12-02 22:47

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AT&T used to possess significant 1900 spectrum in addition to their core 850. When they reconsolidated, much of it had to go to T-Mo US. I hear there are still spots of AT&T 1900, but I've never been able to access any of them.

Benson 2008-12-02 22:56

Re: N900 release tomorrow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 246399)
I have no idea how the 850MHz frequencies are/were handled.

T-mobile doesn't have any 850MHz equipment of their own, but they have 850MHz roaming agreements with AT&T, Centennial, and others. (Actually, it looks like they have a roaming agreement, in the US, with only one little network in Texas, which in turn has agreements with everyone else.) These agreements, in general, are like peering agreements. They may be free, if similar amounts of traffic go both ways, or they may cost one company (the one that loads the other's networks more) some money. I don't know details on any of the 850MHz deals; they may be cash-for-roaming, or they may permit roaming (by customers with 1900MHz terminals) onto T-mobile, with or without additional payment.

Now if you don't have your own (3G) network for others to roam on, an agreement to use AT&T's 3G will cost you lots of money, and you're depending on someone else to continue providing all 3g service; if AT&T wants a price increase, you go with it or your customers don't get data. While using the only other nation-wide GSM network is a reasonable way of augmenting coverage, relying on it for your main network is not the way to seriously compete with them.

While I don't necessarily agree with your suggested approach the FCC should be taking, I definitely agree it's the gov't's fault, not T-mo's.

speculatrix 2008-12-03 00:48

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well, if I didn't have a tablet, I'd definitely like the N97... but I wouldn't think of it as a serious pocket computer, more of a very advanced mobile phone/multimedia device.

all I can hope is that the tablet hardware developers get to talk to the phone hardware developers and raid their hardware designs for the best bits.

killdeer 2008-12-03 01:35

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*sighs*

*goes back to holding his breath*

rjzak 2008-12-03 12:50

Re: N900 release tomorrow?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 246410)
T-mobile doesn't have any 850MHz equipment of their own, but they have 850MHz roaming agreements with AT&T, Centennial, and others. (Actually, it looks like they have a roaming agreement, in the US, with only one little network in Texas, which in turn has agreements with everyone else.) These agreements, in general, are like peering agreements. They may be free, if similar amounts of traffic go both ways, or they may cost one company (the one that loads the other's networks more) some money. I don't know details on any of the 850MHz deals; they may be cash-for-roaming, or they may permit roaming (by customers with 1900MHz terminals) onto T-mobile, with or without additional payment.

Now if you don't have your own (3G) network for others to roam on, an agreement to use AT&T's 3G will cost you lots of money, and you're depending on someone else to continue providing all 3g service; if AT&T wants a price increase, you go with it or your customers don't get data. While using the only other nation-wide GSM network is a reasonable way of augmenting coverage, relying on it for your main network is not the way to seriously compete with them.

While I don't necessarily agree with your suggested approach the FCC should be taking, I definitely agree it's the gov't's fault, not T-mo's.

Then how'd those crazy Europeans pull it off? Europeans don't need a separate phone for each country.

tso 2008-12-03 12:54

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roaming agreements, and making sure that neighboring nations do not have overlapping channels in the border areas?


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