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I don't know, I just like them. They are useful, for both games, flipping the device, panning/scrolling, as well as the weird G1 maps thing. Look what iPhone did with it. (IMO, its more important than multitouch)

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why do you think it doesn't have one?

all about symbian says it does
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...th_QWERTY_.php

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A N97, just another bloated phone, nothing special.

http://conversations.nokia.com/home/...obilekind.html

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Not even 800x480...

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Yes there is one, it has automatic portrait/landscape screen rotation.

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And the home screen - at least what i see in the videos - is kind of maemoish.

So we have a S60 device that looks like an N810 with a homescreen that's similar to Maemo's... Interesting times.

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seems like the directional pad will stay where it's in the next tablet.

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is that a phone?

or a pocket computer? :D

if that's N97 I wonder what the next NIT will be called?

it sure looks like a NiT though doesn't it?

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They would also need to add an extra row to the keyboard and remove the phone.

But if Nokia is pitching the N97 as their always-connected pocket computer, how the heck are they intending to pitch a future N900?

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out the window?

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always-connected pocket server!

Afterall, we know linux runs most of the servers worldwide ;)

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about the N97:

i love watching and watching and watching the videos about it.

the only thing i'm missing so far: how do you make a phone call? they never show. do you have to launch an application from the applications>>communications submenu for that? :D

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waking up at 3:15am was a waste of time for me. I pissed off my wife for nothing!

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Exactly what I was asking myself this morning. To me, it seems that they have ditched the idea of any more maemo based IT. I don't think the recent and past series has done as well as the would have liked it.

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then whats the deal with fremantle?

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I'm so sad.

I love N97... but I'm so sad.

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Yes, effectively. There won't be another "Internet Tablet" running Maemo. But it's known.

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Nokia did tell us that the Maemo 5 device won't be called an "Internet Tablet". Maybe it's not even going to be an internet tablet?

Nokia must be planning something big for Maemo 5. They're spending a huge amount of money on Maemo, and are buying a community to surround it (which they could have for free if they were a bit more open).

Maemo 5 doesn't seem related to the recently-announced Nokia Home Automation device, because that has been announced to be running OpenWRT Linux on a router.

Remember the three Maemo guys who quite Nokia suddenly and very publicly on the same day early this year? Their new company had a very secretive website, but didn't it say something about a "house computer"? Maybe they're working on some Maemo device that Nokia knows about "at arms length"?

Just thinking aloud here.

Roger.

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makes me wonder if Nokia's plan is to one day merge the N tablets and the N phones together and use Maemo as the OS once they use us to get it running good. Which wouldn't be a bad thing to me.

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Still thinking aloud.

Symbian has been progressively becoming more friendly to Linux developers. They added C-language APIs where previously C++ was needed. They implemented libc for Symbian. They implemented QT for Symbian.

Might Symbian even become a subsystem of Maemo in the future? That would give Nokia a smooth transition path from phone to computer.

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The reports of Maemo's demise are greatly exaggerated.

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Looks like I got the tilt screen I wanted :-)

The keyboard layout doesn't thrill me though.

And, of course, the lack of Maemo doesn't thrill me either.

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open platform?

whos gonna be the first to port maemo to it?

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Dual-boot?

;)

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OS X? Maybe?

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What we know is that N97 is in a category of devices called by Nokia "mobile computers". Maemo 5 is designed for devices in the same category. Maemo 5 is targeting OMAP3 processors which deliver 3 times the performance than ARM11 processors many smartphones use today, according to ARM. At 500 to 600 MHz clock speed, it will feel like 900 MHz due to Cortex architecture, beating (at least on specification level) the recently launched "most powerful smartphone with 800Mhz).

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Data sheet.

Nokia just learned from N8x0 and iPhone. What is wrong with that?

It has plenty of storage. 32 GB on-board and 16 GB expansion with microSD. Total of 48 GB!

Unlike any N-Series (phones or Symbian) it has a touchscreen. This is the high-end touch screen phone which was rumoured about.

Traditionally, it has a (quality) camera. It has all the common connectivity protocols (from GSM and GRPS to HSPA and WiFi). It has working A-GPS and GPS with an actually usable navigation suite (Nokia Maps). Unlike iPhone it supports BlueTooth (such as A2DP). It has a foldable hardware keyboard. Lack of accelerometer is a bummer though, but on the video it looked like it had one? The screen is smaller than the N8x0, 16M colours 'only'. What processor will it use?

AFAIK this will be the first phone which doesn't run on RIM, iPhone or Windows Mobile, has a touch screen, will run Qt software, and is an open platform. Next to the very open Maemo it'd be the best of sliced bread afaict.

Have you looked at the equivelant of 'applets'? Looks nice and easy to manage. Unlike the way the work on Maemo...

The only thing is that its a phone, and it doesn't run Linux, so you folks dig it. Pfff.

Won't matter though. It'll be very popular. And usability wise it shows the stage where Nokia is at. So that is promising IMO. I wait till I know more about applications it runs.

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Did you throw Qt in there just to eliminate Android and the G1? :-)

Doesn't run RIM, iPhone, or WinMo? check.
Has a touch screen? check.
will run Qt? (does Symbian have Qt yet? I didn't think it did)
Open platform? as open as Symbian, so check.

And, frankly, I don't care about Qt compatibility :-}

It's a nice step for Nokia, but it's still not what I want.

Better keyboard layout*, Maemo, T-Mobile USA 3G, Dalvik. While retaining S60's tethering features (for use with my netbook). Those are what I'd want added on to this device, in order for it to impress me.

(* I question using that keyboard for Maemo's linux layer, or even for SSH on S60; and I hope it has a feel more like the E71 and less like the N810)

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Yes ;). Ehh, well, I don't like a vendor lock-in by Apple. I try to stay away from Google as well. I don't want to host my data on Google.

Unlike iPhone it has multi-tasking.

It is also the first N-Series (phone/Symbian) having a QWERTY keyboard, being aimed at consumers (although the E71 was also popular in the consumer market).

It looks like a modern Nokia Communicator :D

Here is another demo.

Difference between N95 and N96 was minor, N96 isn't very popular. (It has many + and - compared to N95-1 and N95-2, but in general this doesn't justify the price difference N95-1 and N95-2 being 1+ year old.)

IMO: a good direction Nokia is heading into.

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I too would like to see something nice on T-Mo's 3G. Stupid T-Mo folks just had to have their own friggin' frequency. Couldn't share with AT&T like the European carriers share frequencies. You don't see VodaFone, O2, Era, Orange, T-Mo DE/UK, etc each with their own friggin frequencies.

I almost hate T-Mobile for this. :mad:

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I'm pretty sure this is more the govt's fault than T-Mobile's. They used the frequencies they were able to license at FCC auction.

The failing, IMO, is the lack of a national wireless infrastructure. I'm not sure what the best way to solve it would be, but one way to solve it would be to have the radio carriers (which may not be the same people who are the voice/msg/data plan carriers) have regional contracts for maintaining the local wireless infrastructure, and they compete with each other for contracts on that. Then the plan carriers sit on top of that. Users pay the plan carriers, plan carriers pay the wireless infrastructure carriers (effectively making all plan carriers into MVNO's), wireless infrastructure carriers operate under Public Utility regulations.

Then you wouldn't have to worry about different frequencies for different carriers: it's all the same soup, at the frequency band level.

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So then how do they at least have the same frequencies for GSM/GPRS/EDGE? Not an auction. And I still say its T-Mo's fault, never blamed Nokia, except for Nokia not sending over some awesome devices for T-Mo 3G. A T-Mo 3G version of the N97 might make my wallet lighter. I'd have a hard time resisting, since I can't use the 3G functionality of my N95-3.

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Nope ... they share their frequencies, and in france, they share too their prices ... so there is no real competition between them. And for example, price grow up since 2 years ...

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Isn't the EU supposed to be looking into mobile phone carriers and their billing practises? Or is that just for calls/roaming between countries?

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At the Q&A session a Nokia staffer said that the N97 uses a "tuned ARM11".

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"supposed" ... this is the word ...

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Wel, AFAICT it's basically the N90's screen with a touch layer slapped on. In fact, it is pretty much the N90 "done right" or at least done right within the limitations of S60, although I have my reservations about their attempt to "Psionize" it. Psion were notoriously anal about quality control, something Nokia is not really famous for, so how long this intricate slider will keep working is anyone's guess.

What I personally find most "interesting" is that Nokia apparently has no problems churning out revision after revision of S60Touch, but fixing Diablo is beyond their means...

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Are you serious? What a pile of rubbish from you again.

S60 is their flagship. They were the market leader with Symbian. Now some competitors come with touch screen phones (for fingers). Now, they released one mid entry touch screen (for finger) phone (Nokia 5800) and a high-end one (Nokia N97). As market leader they're the last doing so!

Besides, they are doing Fremantle/Maemo 5.

Fremantle (for 'N900') and S60Touch (5800, N97) have in common that they're both for new devices; new hardware; means new cash cow. Well, duh.

Ofcourse Nokia isn't going to invest keeping the Nokia N8x0 series very much alive. There is no profit in that. Dohohoh. It won't be very different with Pandora, trust me. At best you get community support like a HE. Profit is first priority for a corporation.

Every SSU I get (and I assume a few due to N810 WME) I whisper thank you for the free support. For me, these are not expected.

Don't forget the N97 is scheduled 1st half of 2009. That is approx same time as Fremantle and 'N900'. Although its vague they won't be released very far from each other.

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Official word on Linux and Nokia phones:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0081202?rpc=44

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It's very nice they use Linux and support Linux for its devices. But more support to Linux users would be nicer. I am hoping see someday a Linux version of PC Suite, OVI Suite, the new released Maps on Ovi...