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Khertan 2008-12-03 15:21
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open source software is supposed to be cheaper
and there are ... but you are talking about hardware ... not software ...

flamingsnot 2008-12-03 15:26
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 246523)
That's the ironic part. open source software is supposed to be cheaper than other software, but the NITs are not cheaper. While Maemo is based on open source, and is relatively open, its advantage to the user is not price. The advantage to the user is that it's a better OS for handheld touchscreen devices. Most of the advantages are on the SW developer side. So far, Nokia hasn't sought to license Maemo.
How strange. I don't know too much about the financial side of software/licensing etc.. But I would assume that if you had 2 identical pieces of hardware, but one had Symbian running on it and one had Maemo, the latter would be cheaper...? Of course Nokia now owns Symbian completely so once again, would this not affect the total price of a handset?
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Originally Posted by lm2 (Post 246522)
If it had been two words, you could have accused them of jumping to conclusions. For I had always thought it was short for "avoid flamings, not constructive feedback." :)
Ha, I can definately say I've not heard that one before!

GeneralAntilles 2008-12-03 15:30
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Originally Posted by gammer (Post 246514)
If N900 is simply larger than N97 then it's also more expensive.
An interesting conclusion to jump to, though not one backed up by a whole lot of evidence. Remember, RX-51 doesn't have the same carrier expenses as a real cellphone, and, besides, several Nokia representatives have repeatedly stated their intention to keep the next tablet inline price-wise with previous generations.

SD69 2008-12-03 15:58
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Originally Posted by flamingsnot (Post 246531)
How strange. I don't know too much about the financial side of software/licensing etc.. But I would assume that if you had 2 identical pieces of hardware, but one had Symbian running on it and one had Maemo, the latter would be cheaper...? Of course Nokia now owns Symbian completely so once again, would this not affect the total price of a handset?
Generally yes, although software can be licensed for free even though its proprietary. Open source generally implies unrestricted use and ability to make modifications. And remember maemo is not completely open source, although open in many ways that foster sw development. But we are talking about a niche product here in the NIT and so there are many other factors affecting price. Since Symbian is licensed to other OEMs, and maemo is not, that probably affects the price. IOW, there are no competitive devices that also run maemo, but there are competitive phones that run Symbian.

qgil 2008-12-03 16:32
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Open source is free as in beer when you grab what others have done and integrate it as is. Which is not the case of Maemo, where a lot of OSS features and bugfixes are developed, funded, integrated and tested by Nokia.

flamingsnot 2008-12-03 16:46
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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 246547)
Open source is free as in beer when you grab what others have done and integrate it as is. Which is not the case of Maemo, where a lot of OSS features and bugfixes are developed, funded, integrated and tested by Nokia.
Ahhh, yeah that makes sense :o

qole 2008-12-03 17:05
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246533)
Remember, RX-51 doesn't have the same carrier expenses as a real cellphone
Why not?

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246533)
...several Nokia representatives have repeatedly stated their intention to keep the next tablet inline price-wise with previous generations.
That's interesting! Where? Can you post a link?

GeneralAntilles 2008-12-03 17:14
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 246553)
Why not?
Because it doesn't have voice? This one should be pretty clear.

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 246553)
That's interesting! Where? Can you post a link?
Here, from the Summit, and elsewhere. I don't have links handy.

qole 2008-12-03 17:46
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246556)
Because it doesn't have voice? This one should be pretty clear.
Clear to you; I suspect the carriers will be less clear on the subject.

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 246556)
Here, from the Summit, and elsewhere. I don't have links handy.
[citation needed]

GeneralAntilles 2008-12-03 18:27
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Originally Posted by qole (Post 246560)
Clear to you; I suspect the carriers will be less clear on the subject.
Voice adds another layer of certification requirements. These certifications cost money, which shows up in the cost of the device. . . .

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 246560)
[citation needed]
Take it or leave it, I don't have the time to dig up the quotes at the moment.


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