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What eats, shoots, takes all your money and blames it on foreign exchange markets, and leaves?

The PANDORA!

Sorry, Karel asked for it...

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It's not the panda who blames the exchange, it's the panda spotters.

(I wrote "panda hunters" first, but, well... a panda ain't much of a hunt, innit?)

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blah blah blah Pandora.
meanwhile,
Q:"What we do realistically see in the RX-51"
A: ummm the RX-51 ... delivered.

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Well I don't know of any, but if I went to panda forums, which I don't, I'd sort of expect to find some there. Perhaps they're not widely available yet ?

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nah, the forums are very heavily policed, any dissent and the thread is closed/deleted/OP is banned, etc.

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That's not true. There are some examples, but generally it's pretty liberal over there. I must say, that you are drifting way off topic in this thread.:D Not that I care much about that. RX-51 will be much to expensive for me, anyway. And without proper controls, I suppose.

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Only thing I hope is 5 inch-ish screen, with 1024x600, please!
Oh, maybe 6+ hours battery :)

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This was addressed in another thread:

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Besides the OS, I wonder if the massive TI layoffs announced last week will affect the release considering they're making the boards for the RX-51.

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Doubt it... first off, even if the release is scheduled for Q3 2009 the boards would have been designed and prototyped already, which is usually the part that requires the most "labour" from the manufacturer. Once that's done final mass production is often done by a lot of machinery and very few people (this is in terms of circuit boards and digital components).

Secondly, companies tend to lay off employees from sectors where they feel the employees aren't absolutely necessary for profitability of the business; this typically means administrative staff, customer support, etc production line staff are usually one of the last sectors to get chopped (assuming that you don't have more production line staff than are required in the first place to fulfil orders... aka North American Auto Industry) because they're the ones that are directly responsible for immediate generation of revenue. You cut R&D staff, it'll come back to haunt your profitability in a few months... you cut production staff, it affects your profitability almost immediately.

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screw the pony how about dinosaurs with lasers

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I have a bet to do. Here it is: N97 is already announced and N900 is not going to be "only" an Internet Tablet. For sure Nokia is making an announcement in Barcelona. All the touchable phones have already been announced so that is not going to be announced.
Yet, it makes no sense to me that Nokia announces an N900, yet another "freaks" device that is similar to N97 externally and with similar specs (with or without phone). I mean, it makes sense technically, but not commercially.
Ok. That said. N900 is the forth of a five models project that started with N770. That means that it is close to its starting point for massive production.
Finally: Once N97 got a keyboard, communicator series became obsolete. They make no sense anymore as they are.
Communicators were little computer attached to a phone.
So here is my bet: Next tablet is going to be the next communicator!!

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TI is making and delivering the OMAP processors. I don't expect them to be designing the PCB's as well. That's Nokia's job.

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This could be totally off, but could it be related to switching the third contact on the headphone jack? On my n800, the jack has three contacts: stereo left and right and mic input. On an iPod Touch, I believe the three contacts are used for stereo left and right and video out. This allows the use of external display devices such as those MyVu and Carl-Zeiss LCD glasses. On a new Nokia device, the ECI thing could be a way of sensing which is plugged in so the device can decide to output video or input mic.

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Yes, but the iPhone has four (left,right,video,mic)... So, I don't think ECI or whatever will be needed for auto switching mic/video.

More likely a remote control or something (I hope).

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I guess I can live with that...

The possibility of a hi-res camera along with hot swappable SD slot (not micro) and easy uploading over 3G or WiFi has got me rethinking the N900 as a useful multimedia device

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I've got a short question, sorry if it has been asked before. Will the new tablet have a working USB-host mode?
Right now I'm thinking about going for RX-51 and selling Pandora on eBay.
I've always wanted to have tablet-mode, which Pandora won't provide and modding isn't possible.
I'm thinking about adding a homemade usb gamecontroller to the next Nokia tablet. Do you think it would work? How are the chances, that games compiled for Pandora will run on the new NIT?

TIA

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Well, first of all the default OS for Pandora is Ångström (another Linux distro), and I'm not sure what graphic libs will be used (EDIT: Except for SDL).. on the other hand, at least the simplest stuff will run. I just compiled a command-line, text-only 'Hello World' program with the Pandora SDK and it runs fine on my OS2007 N800. :D

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I think both Pandora and RX-51 should work with OpenGL ES, no? (I'm mainly interested in 3D FPS anyway) The main difference are the gaming controls, but if a Pandora game would work with an USB Gamepad and an RX-51 would accept a gamepad too it could work, couldn't it?

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I'm no expert on gamepads, but it sounds like it could work.

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Yes, hardware acceleration is available including 2D and 3D and including OGL ES 2.0 which the PowerVR supports.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES#Usage

Also on RX-51.

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I didn't see ANY Maemo devices at MWC 2009.
This may be a long year :(

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So, this means better driver support (than the n810) on the RX-51 (device) ?

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Which drivers? Its generally known and expected the RX-51 will be more open wrt drivers and source code than N8x0, but not 100% free.

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Heh, things are starting to get really interesting. We have RX-71 now in kernel too :-) The keymap looks like there is no full QWERTY keyboard.

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is there a d-pad? :D

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No, looks like numeric keypad. I wonder if this is additional one or the only one that the device has.

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OK - interesting! So, the term LEAD device now has the necessary context - RX-51 and RX-71 to look forward to! And a numeric pad only implies a phone? ...

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a 56 key keypad!

thats stretching the definition a bit, maybe simply using the NUMLOCK type things at present?

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Right, there is 4567890 but no 123! For RX-51 they mapped some keys in later releases but still ...

EDIT: still not sure what that 56 key reference means. 8x8=64 and most of them are unmapped anyway (and will most probably stay so).

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I'm just guessing here, but a 56 key keypad sounds a lot like a Blackberry type of thumb keyboard... No idea if that makes any sense but that was my first reaction...

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Portable keyboards (ex. Think Outside) have about 56 keys.

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The n810 has 40-odd keys, so it you added on a row of dedicated numeric keys, that would bring the total up to that sort of number.

As I was just watching a video about the UMID M1, I counted the keys, and it has 56

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Hello. I've been away, so forgive me (I did search, though I may have formed it poorly). Has anyone compiled a list of possible announcement venues/date for the RX-51? As in, trade shows that Nokia has admitted intention to attend and/or participate in. Anyone?

Also, (and yes I search for this too), any comment on the possibility of large built in storage capacity (32 GB or higher) if they're going to continue on evolutionary path that the n810 is on (i.e. 1 slot & built in storage) vs. the n800 (two glorious full sized slots). Lastly, on wireless connectivity, on the high bandwidth front, UWB was until recently the presumed shoe-in for high bandwidth, short range data transfer. The more recent challenger is some sort of bluetooth(for the handshaking)/wifi(for the actual data transfer) hybrid, which does not support as high a transfer rate as UWB (400Mb/s vs 54Mb/s), but is supposedly something that can be implemented via software, in devices now....if you have the appropriate chip(s).
http://i.gizmodo.com/5154863/bluetoo...-our-pants-off

Any idea on what, if any, flavor of high bandwidth, low power wireless data transfer the RX-51 might support.

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You mean keys in the keyboard, the cursor (d-pad), swap/escape, fullscreen, zoom, power and slide lock keys add up to about 53 (IIRC).

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Some info about a likely upcoming tablet:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10484...chscreens.html

I don't think it's the only tablet device though - there seems to be little reason to wait till Q4 for the first release of a tablet, now that Maemo 5 is entering beta testing soon-ish...

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maemo related roadmaps, both hardware and software, have been hard to explain (even with hindsight) ever since the N810.

so don't count on reason too much. ;)

one possibility that could lead to a device released much later than expected (even though the software is more or less finished) could be the inclusion of a really new hardware feature that simply doesn't work as expected (yet) or isn't available in large quantities.

of course, i do hope all of this is just rubbish and gossip and we'll have a new device with a decent hardcover :D by june, 18th.

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Another, somewhat related scrap of info is coming from Eldar Murtazin - he blogged about Nokia's big Linux/Maemo plans a while ago, and UnwiredView translated the most important infos (Google Translator really just butchered the Russian blog post into incoherent gibberish):

And that "big launch event in Germany" was also revealed today: Nokia World 2009, September 2-3, Stuttgart.

http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm

Interesting stuff, but still quite a while away...

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Mhm... could the "originating from Maemo but significantly rewritten and much more advanced" part be Maemo5? After all, it originates from (current) Maemo, but is significanctly rewritten and more advanced....

OTOH, maybe they'll need another branch of Maemo to satisfy the needs of the cell phone market... If this is true.

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...or/and the netbook market they're rumored to enter?

We'll see how much of these infos turn out to be true in a couple of months...Eldar is usually a quite reliable source for infos though.