maemo.org - Talk - Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

@Bundyo
Do you have a standard way to get feature requests other than putting them here into the forum?
I'm asking because i'd like to request the following feature: in Firefox you can maximize the Browser, then press F11 to make the website fullscreen, and by moving the cursor to the top you make the navigation and tab bar slide out. Would be nice to have something similar in tear, as the adresss bar takes up quite some space...
Anyway, you've done a good job so far! Keep it up!

tso	2009-02-12 09:00

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

i guess there is always the feature requests at garage.maemo.org...

Bundyo

2009-02-12 11:06

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I read here more often than I go to the project page :)

Something similar already was requested though.

branitar

2009-02-12 12:36

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

So we will see it at some point? ;)

Bundyo

2009-02-12 18:11

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Yup. Ye will. ;)

branitar

2009-02-12 21:38

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Splendid! :D

allnameswereout

2009-02-13 09:06

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

2 Attachment(s)

On screenshot01 here it shows some radio buttons which aren't transparent. Instead they're the same as my theme, making them in this case not blend in with the webpage.

On screenshot02 a huge dialog when I try to select a file to upload. But that is probably not related to Tear itself.

allnameswereout

2009-02-13 09:10

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Hey I was trying to answer some of my questions about this project because I just don't like the waiting during browsing. I'm using S60browser these days, and its fast (and integrated RSS reader in Bookmarks), but for good browsing nowadays a pointer device such as a touchscreen or mouse is IMO sometimes a necessity. Especially for browsing through a website, or selecting links is sometimes cumbersome on S60browser. So I'm going to try Tear a bit here and there next week, over HSDPA.

What current problems does Tear solve (what does it do)?
* Alternative browser and rendering engine for MicroB providing a faster experience.

What significant additional features does Tear provide?
* Dashboard. 'Opera Speed Dial' equivelant, but more advanced
* Kinetic scrolling
* Standards compliant. Acid3 100/100
* Download manager. WIP; unfinished

Is it stable enough to replace MicroB by default?
* Yes, but... (list outstanding bugs?)

Bundyo

2009-02-13 13:21

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I was looking at the radio/checkboxes the other night - they're too big anyway so i'll see if i can get them more normal.

tso	2009-02-13 13:31

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Maybe have them scale with the zoom level?

Btw, i bumped into something of a bug relating to dropdown lists.

If one tap a list, then tap outside of it to have it go away, then tap another list, the first list is shown again. One have to tap outside of the first list twice for the second list to correctly show.

Also, if the list is very long, it will get up to max screen size, but the content will start where the list is located on the page, not at the top of the list shown. End result is a list thats mostly empty until one use the scroll arrows.

allnameswereout

2009-02-14 10:40

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 264224)

I was looking at the radio/checkboxes the other night - they're too big anyway so i'll see if i can get them more normal.

Too big for finger or for stylus?

On S60, eBay with its many links and tons of items was difficult to use in S60Browser. So I tethered and fired up Tear. I couldn't get numbers (Fn keys) to work in Tear so when I was in store yesterday seeing what something costs on eBay instead of the store Tear was cumbersome to use. Speedwise, performance was good. Seemed better than MicroB according to my feelings.

bodri

2009-02-18 04:34

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Hi,

I'm new here. Someone pls tell me, how can i install tear 0.3. I have a N810 with default sw insttalled+updates. I tied it from web and said libidn11 is unable to install becouse incompatible application package.

Or this is working only with easy debian chroot ?

thx

Bundyo

2009-02-18 06:36

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d....5-1_armel.deb

"apt-get install libidn11" should do too.

bodri

2009-02-18 23:19

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I have tried it, but nothing happend. I think i have to add repo to apt-get first. I never used debian before. But extra repo source is added to hildon installer yet.

buhao

2009-02-19 00:38

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

@bodri, i think i mentioned in this thread that i had problems installing that package as well. One way around it is to enable r&d or red pill mode and then install the package. Others have said this is unnecessary, but I could not get it to install any other way.

tso	2009-02-19 01:33

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

the "problem" is that app manger do not bother with fullfilling deps when installing from file. the high and mighty wants us to use extra and similar...

dwould

2009-02-19 10:06

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Just wanted to say I tried Tear last night, and it is great! I was surprised just how fast and capable it is.
Aside from not letting me log into the regular facebook page (fine on mobile) and not letting me log into wordpress. It handled everything else I tried last night, and faster than the default browser.

Great job!

attila77

2009-02-19 10:41

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 265531)

the "problem" is that app manger do not bother with fullfilling deps when installing from file. the high and mighty wants us to use extra and similar...

Actually, there is a reason, when installing from files, you have no pool information, priority information, etc, so apt wouldn't know what and where should it install from. Also, it would be too easy to blow your system to kingdom come if you try to install an outdated package - this way you only fail to install the package, but not endanger package management.

That being said, on my Diablo N810, I had to manually do apt-get install libidn11 libxslt1.1, then install the libwebkit and tear packages provided in this thread. Did not need to enter red pill mode or any other magic except for the apt-get. I do have the extras repo enabled.

As a fresh tear user, my only beef is the (non)handling of bookmarks, but maybe I just didn't read through the forum carefully enough :)

tso	2009-02-19 11:15

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

just note people, to use apt-get one need root access.

to get that, install rootsh, then in terminal on your tablet, enter root.

tso	2009-02-19 12:59

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

hmm, while it may sound a bit odd, im getting "testers itch" here ;)

qole	2009-02-19 17:36

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

tso: What's "Tester's Itch"?

All I could find was this, from Classic Testing Mistakes:

Quote:

A tester's itch to start breaking the program is as strong as a programmer's itch to start writing code - and it has the same effect: design work is skimped, and quality suffers. Paying more attention to running tests than to designing them is a classic mistake. A tester who is not systematic, who does not spend time laying out the possibilities in advance, will overlook special cases.

I doubt that's what you mean :D

tso	2009-02-19 18:44

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

heh, mostly i like playing around with (test) various programs, and versions there of...

its some kind of habit i have. when i used windows full time, i would trawl pages like download.com to look for interesting programs to install.

tso	2009-02-20 19:57

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

would a "open page in microb" option be useful?

Bundyo

2009-02-20 20:21

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Maybe in 0.3...

buhao

2009-02-20 21:47

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by tso (Post 265947)

would a "open page in microb" option be useful?

bump for this feature. I think it could be useful, although it may be slow as having two browsers may eat a ton of memory. Alternatively, could one insert an "open in Tear" context menu option in MicroB? Just a thought.

GeneralAntilles

2009-02-20 22:07

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundyo (Post 263930)

I read here more often than I go to the project page :)

How about bugs.maemo.org with email notifications?

Bundyo

2009-02-20 22:12

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Probably better, but how to join the club? :)

bongo

2009-02-22 09:25

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueJournals (Post 260685)

Untested, but I have finished the promised tear bookmarks hildon navigator plugin! The deb is attached, and should install fine through the application manager. Then just go into the control panel, go to Panels, uncheck the old bookmarks plugin, and check the new Tear Bookmarks plugin! Any problems? Please let me know!

Thx for your app.
But it's not usable for me because it has problems with themes and long descriptions. Please continue your nice work :):)

bluechalk

2009-02-22 16:01

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I can't install the bookmarks using the link in post #19. I get the message "Application packages missing: python-sqlite". Where can I find this?

Un27Pee

2009-02-22 16:14

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I got it like this red-pill enabled and it showed up in the application manager

bongo have you check that you have python2.5-hildondesktop installed

bongo

2009-02-22 16:46

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Un27Pee (Post 266266)

bongo have you check that you have python2.5-hildondesktop installed

Sure!
But I don't understand how this could influence the length of bookmark description ;)

Un27Pee

2009-02-22 18:11

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

when i install the bookmarks i had some weird positioning and it will exit unable to launch it so this is what i taught something was wrong with the hildon desktop so apt-get and everything was ok , that is why i taught your case might have something to do with the desktop if all the themes your have are giving the same length if not them someone might be in a good position to help you.

bongo

2009-02-22 19:01

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

I think it's very easy to fix the length problem with the bookmark navigator. I can do it by myself ...

BrentDC

2009-02-22 19:07

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongo (Post 266290)

I think it's very easy to fix the length problem with the bookmark navigator. I can do it by myself ...

Code:

def shorten_text(self, variable_holding_text):

    if len(variable_holding_text) > 15:

        new_variable = variable_holding_text[0:15] + " ..."

    return new_variable

Extremely easy! :D

GeraldKo

2009-02-22 19:18

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Bundyo, maybe it's worth posting a link to nobodysbusiness's tear Installation Instructions at the top of the first link of this thread?

(Thanks from me, too, for what must be a s***load of work. It still has its limitations -- like the GMail issue -- but it is blazingly fast.)

tso	2009-02-22 19:50

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

hmm, i have bumped into some forums recently that trigger a index.php download when i try to post using tear.

tso	2009-02-22 19:53

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongo (Post 266227)

Thx for your app.
But it's not usable for me because it has problems with themes and long descriptions. Please continue your nice work :):)

i second the theme issue...

would be nice if it could be made to look somewhat like the microb menu btw (big arrows and all that).

bongo

2009-02-22 19:56

Re: Tear 0.3 - Simple WebKit browser, now with Dashboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrentDC (Post 266291)

Code:

def shorten_text(self, variable_holding_text):

    if len(variable_holding_text) > 15:

        new_variable = variable_holding_text[0:15] + " ..."

    return new_variable

Extremely easy! :D

My thoughts on your keyboard :D
The author of this applet should apply this code.

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