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Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 264853)

I would kind of expect airplanes drawing it in the sky, or at least interrupted TV broadcasts to announce such a thing.

Could be, but when it comes time for Maemo to power a phone, the first signs will likely occur elsewhere.

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by dbec10 (Post 264817)

Software can be sexy to the person who has seen it. All others will have to wait until they have seen it. Some can also believe based on what the person who saw it has said.

No different from being told of a sexy girl.

Of course the more detail provided about the girl will increase the desire by others to see her.

It's all relative...

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconVall...a/6148/dri.gif

I once thought this ^ was sexy.

Now it would be like B/W porn on Super8 film where everyone is naked except for their socks.
:D

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I always get a kick out of reading "expert opinions" on marketing... in a enthusiast's forum. :p

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 264859)

Could be, but when it comes time for Maemo to power a phone, the first signs will likely occur elsewhere.

Sorry for being perhaps a bit too jumpy, but the post I replied to didn't seem to care about maemo features, but rather whether the new device is a functional N97 clone which happens to be based on maemo. But really, if you don't like 3rd party stuff and want to have everything integrated from day 1, and want it to look and behave like a regular phone (plus a big screen and a hidden qwerty), then you *are* talking about the N97 (esp when/if Symbian becomes fully open source).

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 264853)

It never was a phone, and it sure will be underlined a billion times if it ever becomes one considering the endless discussions about it even on this forum.

Not really. major points against that are:

1. If it does include voice capability, this will only be limited to BT headsets, because the tablet itself is too awkward to be used as a phone.
2. If you remember, Nokia top honchos already said that the next tablet product is not the "final thing" yet, so widely and loudly announcing it as a phone would be premature.

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by fms (Post 264868)

Not really. major points against that are:
1. If it does include voice capability, this will only be limited to BT headsets, because the tablet itself is too awkward to be used as a phone.

Why BT only ? The wired headset works just fine, too, and even speakerphone style was not unusable indoors. I agree it would be less than elegant putting a 4-5" device nearing 250g to your head. But then again, apparently there were people at Nokia who thought talking on the original NGage was not looking weird either... :)

A little reminder who missed out on the NGage: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/...ngage/pic2.jpg

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 264864)

I can't care about maemo features if those are integrated in a device that has little meaning for the enterprise. Those features power is directly attached with the power of the machine itself (HW+SW). Having a great tablet to run python programs have little use for lots of companies if they cannot use it to make a call or have a calendar.

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 264864)

But really, if you don't like 3rd party stuff and want to have everything integrated from day 1, and want it to look and behave like a regular phone (plus a big screen and a hidden qwerty), then you *are* talking about the N97 (esp when/if Symbian becomes fully open source).

It is not only about Open Source. It is about Linux based Open Source. N97 is not going to run Firefox or OpenOffice or Phyton or apache+php or a printer device or a miriad of different software on it, because there are no Symbian based servers, no Symbian based Desktops and no Symbian based old computers with people making Links run on them with javascript enabled.

Anyway, for Nokia to succeed, they must understand a simple thing: They cannot expect the community to make the job they must. That includes a PIM. And includes making you able to use the tablet as if it were a phone by using bluetooth stack to run your phone without taking it out from your pocket. And it means too that one Canola2 is liberated is Nokia's responsability to take the project and integrate it (if that's the one choosen) tigthly into the device, so it starts as a service, it runs when you touch a picture in the file navigator,...

I'm not saying anything else that what red hat or mandriva or ubuntu or any other distro integrator do.

Personally, my personal choose would be a "Samsung F210" nokia equivalent (with 3G) that I should never take out from my pocket because I would use it through N900. Including contacts, phone and file system. But nokia has no equivalent in their potfolio so if N900 acts as a phone, then it is better to carry around a big phone-tablet that a big phone and a tablet.

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by fms (Post 264868)

Not really. major points against that are:

1. If it does include voice capability, this will only be limited to BT headsets, because the tablet itself is too awkward to be used as a phone...

http://www.bruceongames.com/wp-conte...ngage-taco.jpg

Oh how soon we forget. :p

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Originally Posted by gamesindustry.biz

... talking into the device involves holding the top end of it to your face (the microphone and speaker are located where the L and R buttons are on a GBA), which quite frankly makes you look utterly ridiculous. We're not sure which design genius at Nokia decided that people think it's cool to look like you have a Frisbee embedded in your head ....

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 264864)

Sorry, I forgot to say it: Yes. I expect the 4th generation of five to be close enough to Symbian if the fifth one is going to be it's replacement.

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by epertinez (Post 264886)

Sorry, I forgot to say it: Yes. I expect the 4th generation of five to be close enough to Symbian if the fifth one is going to be it's replacement.

Er, what? Maemo replacing Symbian? You do realize Nokia just bought Symbian, right?

Re: Mobile world congress 2009 status

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Originally Posted by epertinez (Post 264883)

I can't care about maemo features if those are integrated in a device that has little meaning for the enterprise.

But who said Maemo (and it's devices) are strictly enterprise oriented ? Or that Linux is strictly enterprise oriented, for that matter ? I mean if it was called E810 I'd say, okay, I expect some enterprise functions, but the strength of the Maemo platform (as you yourself pointed out) is that it's not a specialist tool.

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You've got this backwards. Python, Apache, Mysql, PHP, Firefox (as Fennec) all exist at least in some form for Symbian. You even have PAMP.

http://devphone.com/pamp-stack-on-s60-brings-you-php

Symbian started opening up not so long ago, so obviously Maemo has a headstart on them. In a month or two, you will have Qt on S60, which means a whole lot of apps. Linux is not an enterprise solution, but it CAN be a part of the solution that YOU must make. It just a kernel, ferrichsake. If you just want python, firefox, PIM, office stuff in a mainstream package, you might as well go with Windows mobile, or, if you can wait a little, go with Android, as it will certainly be/is PIM oriented.

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But nokia has no equivalent in their potfolio so if N900 acts as a phone, then it is better to carry around a big phone-tablet that a big phone and a tablet.

It's not a phone, and I'm not really everybody agrees they want a big phone-tablet. I don't.