Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

This is because Nokia has a business model and a plan, which is much more than can be said for Pandora...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I am REALLY HOPING that the end-of-year "The Street" magazine article quoted by frank.wagner is totally wrong. I can tell you that if Nokia waits until Q4 to release the RX-51, I will be furious with them.

I still have my hopes up for June 21. I need it to be that date.

I think Nokia needs to have the first Maemo 5 device released before the mid-September Summit. And I think they know that.

EDIT: I just added a link to the original article because I believe that it is worded in such a way that if Nokia releases their first Maemo device in the summer (as most of us fanbois are hoping), the article will appear to be just plain wrong, despite what some quibblers might post below.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, there are a number of simple answers that don't require that. The first and foremost is multiple tablets. We know they've got more than one design in there, so what makes us sure that the one that blogger saw and talked about wasn't, say, an RX-71 that would be shipping a few months after the RX-51 release?

Really, the whole reason Nokia dropped Elephanta was to step up Fremantle activity and move it up the timeline a bit (by about ~6 months) so dropping the lead they gained by doing that seems . . . silly. 7 or 8 months between the beta release and the final release just seems ridiculous to me.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I find it hard to believe that Nokia would hold onto hardware for basically a year and the software which seems we'll see in a fairly final beta form at the end of the month until Q4.

They would go from one of the first shippers of OMAP3 processor device(s) to a me too.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

According to this new blog post http://www.openpandora.org/blog.php
Pandora is looking at getting the units out in the beginning of June. THis could be possible for Nokia if they get the beta out soon enough. If Nokia is really wanting to meet the market to beat the mass release of OMAP 3 devices such as Palm Pre (supposed to be out in mid-may), they're going to need to be on their game. Personally, I'd rather they wait till July or so, to have Maemo 5 free of bugs, which seems like a reasonable timeline.

In other words, my prediction is Palm Pre in late May, Pandora in Mid to late June, RX-51 in early to Mid July.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Sure. Just like the business model and plan used for the N810 WiMax. Brilliant.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You may not like what they have done, but more planning went into that, than into the entire pandora console. Poor planning is still better than NO planning.


Although I am unsure if Pandora did "NO" planning, I am sure they knew that they could never meet the deadlines they set. Which means they are nothing more than scam artists, and until useable units are delivered, I will hold this opinion.

Pandora is like Wimpy's evil twin!
Would you gladly pay me today, for a hamburger I will deliver next thursday??

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The thing is, the RX-51 isn't relying on anybody else to implement a good infrastructure to use it. The infrastructure (GSM) is already in place.

Nokia pulled the plug on the N810W because Sprint couldn't manage to get their WiMAX infrastructure together (and, really, still hasn't) and Nokia didn't want Sprint's bungling to reflect badly on their brand.

There's nothing in the N810W story to compare to the RX-51. It's a flawed comparison.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The WiMAX story is complex. My perception of it is 1) as reponse to Nokia N810WME pulled a different, WiMAX tablet-like device is released with ATOM & Windows Vista or something like that to be combined with Clearwire 2) WiFi <-> WiMAX modems are used to deliver backwards compatibility instead of on-board WiMAX compatible devices.

I feel your pain :( what are indicators though? The SDK? Other product releases?

July will be the month of Nokia N97. Nokia N97 looks to me like heavily based design on Nokia N810 but its unclear what type of CPU Nokia N97 will contain, and same for amount RAM. Meanwhile there aren't many OMAP3 devices on market yet.

I'm betting on Maemo Summit lots of demoes and maybe release prototypes to developers and manufacturing starting around that time for Q4. Q4 (before Christmas) is right after the Maemo Summit (mid september).

Something else. EU is pissed off at mobile providers blocking (by contract or technically) Skype and VoIP. They're threatening mobile providers to outlaw this blocking by law. As we're maturing to all-IP mobile devices this comes in the advantage to devices like tablets. How this influences competitive HSPA data-only options in Europe is an exciting development to be seen. One to which the next-gen tablet is optimized for.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Everything I've heard says ARM11 for the N97.

I don't buy this for a second. 7-8 months between a beta and a release is pure silliness.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The most likely culprit, and I am just speculating here based on the reasons offered for the delay, is that it just isn't that easy for a small organization to manufacture 1000 of a handheld consumer electronics device at a reasonably low cost. Maybe it's a bit optimistic or naive to attempt the project, but you can't do a lot of advance "planning" to anticipate all of the issues that might come up during the manufacturing process and they would not be the first to find themselves unintentionally in over their head.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

As they say, make an estimate. Try to make it a realistic estimate. Double the time. THEN you have a realistic estimate. Double that. THEN you have the actual time needed.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

So they were ordered beginning of October, and were supposed to be shipped by Christmas. So 3 months doubled would be 6 months double that and we're looking at October 2009.

I think your actually onto something. Perhaps you should share your algorithm with the Pandora crew.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

This is the list of the To-Do's list that aren't scratched out as complete from the front page of the Pandora webpage.

Is this an accurate list of the what is still un-done? Man, that list has not gone down much.


http://openpandora.org/

To-Do:


* Build a test device and check if everything is okay
* Create the keymat mould (takes 20 - 25 days)
* Create mould of final case (can be done once the case fits, takes 30 - 35 days)
* CE / FCC testing (can be done once the prototype case is here)
* Mass Production testrun for the final boards
* Stability testing (this will be fun)
* Wait for the last remaining pieces for mass production (LATEST deadline is second week of March)
* Mass Production
* Test the boards
* SHIP THEM!

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Oh man... Even if I was sceptical about their release day... I couldn't imagine they are still this far from actual ship date! Qoles' odds of winning are looking a lot better.... :rolleyes:

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

could be that someone is forgetting to edit it, who knows.

not that i care much any longer. it will ship when it ships, or not at all.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I am guessing you didn't pre-order?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

nope, didnt have the funds.

not that i like paying for something before its available anyways.

and i also avoid downpayments unless its unavoidable (house, car, other really expensive object).

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I love the way "mass production" is just a single bullet point...

It's a bit like that scene in Red Dwarf (the UK sci-fi sitcom) where they capture Hitler's diary and it's full of stuff like "To Do Today: Buy some milk, feed the cat, annex Czechoslovakia."

Incidentally, is their claim to be "by far the most powerful handheld in the world both in terms of raw CPU power and 3D graphics" valid any more, even if they shipped tomorrow? Or are they only comparing themselves to handheld games consoles?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The Archos 5 shipped with an OMAP3430 in Summer 2008. So, no, it definitely hasn't been valid any time since then.

This is almost certainly it.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, I am gonna go with, "the're not a big company and the production companies are putting them on the back burner and, that is why they can't get it done sooner". But, that is what happens when you are a small company.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Maybe we should start another poll about whether the PSP2 or DS2 will come out before Pandora?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Pandora's gonna come out?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah, she's got to tell her parents sooner or later. I think they know already though.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

It _is_ moving forward you know. Bits and pieces coming together. As a Pandora pre-orderer I'm very relaxed. Had to get myself a beagleboard to pass the time with, though.
This one was posted on the pandora forum, it's a bit funny.. http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=924

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well I see they've updated their home page list again: http://www.openpandora.org/index.php

Looking at the comments on here (http://openpandora.wordpress.com/200...ated/#comments) Nokia still have a couple of months to release for me to win my bet (well be right in the poll anyway).

Anyway I'm pretty relaxed at this point (especially as I don't have any money down for anything), I would just like to see some new hardware from anywhere! :)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

So let me get this straight.

According to their home page, they have already obtained "the last remaining pieces for mass production", but they haven't yet done the "stability testing"?

What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hmm, well I presume the case isn't necessary for production in that case as that seems to be holding up submitting it for FCC approval, from my reading of the comments anyway.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah, you chicken, YOU didn't step up to the plate. :p

They haven't even made the final case mould yet.


Ye gods, YES.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hey, if you want OMAP3, this thing has been out since last Summer. ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

It's truly hacky getting stuff to run on it though, plus these players are pretty expensive.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

:rolleyes:

Can you hack a real, working OS onto it?

When I saw the Archos 5 a last week via a link someone posted, I immediately googled "hacking Archos 5" and was so disappointed to discover that there really aren't any hacks for that device.

From a Pocketables article:

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yes, joke. ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well I did consider one when the Pandora was delayed past Christmas...., but decided against in the end (see above).

:)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hmm, what about this?:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/11/q...s-with-how-to/

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I thought at first that Qtopia hack (a very limited hack, at that -- no extra packages can be installed yet) was a hack for the Archos 5, and I got interested, but then I realized it is for the Archos "5 series" which is basically the 605, not the Archos 5. Why does Archos have a "5 series" and a completely different Archos 5 device? I dunno.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah weird isn't it, I see what you mean now, this series 5 stuff (e.g. the 605) have a PXA @ 400MHz on board (thanks wikipedia), presumably with some hw accel for the video, etc.

Not an OMAP3 anyway (plus the screen is no larger than our current ones, if I buy something new, without a kb [argh], then it had better have a big screen! :)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Just got an email

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Google Checkout Seller Terms & Conditions 2.2:

Seller shall only use the Service to process a Payment Transaction for a Product that is purchased by a Buyer through a legitimate, bona fide sale of the Product. A Payment Transaction may not be submitted for processing through the Service until Seller has:

(a) shipped or otherwise provided the purchased goods to the Buyer; or
(b) performed the purchased service; or
(c) otherwise completed the purchase transaction as mutually agreed upon by Seller and Buyer

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I think this covers pre-orders

I have posed the question as to when the ship date and if I can recieve any discounts as I have already lost $70

I don't expect a ship date or a discount ;)