Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Interesting, did you cancel your preorder, or were you ordering through PayPal or AmEx?

Just wondering if this will be open to the general populace or if it's a consolation method for those who might kick up a fuss as their other method has failed.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Erm... who is adding these tags to this thread? Some of them are a bit nasty.

I agree the Pandora's ordering system has been a bit of a shambles but I don't think it's deliberately ripping anyone off.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I ordered through credit card to begin with, they refunded my money (well some of it) Now I can place the order via credit card again, 5 months after the original anticipated ship date.

I would send them an email if you want one, and asked to be placed on a waiting list for people who cancel orders

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I paid for a product. I did not receive the product. I then received some of my money back.

the tags all seem fine to me? Of course I may have added a few of them ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Yeah, I also paid using CC, was refunded all my money (as I'm in the UK), and am still tempted (as long as it's CC, so I can back out of the company goes under and nothing ever turns up).

I wonder if this implies that the devices will be out soon, then again soon is a relative term for this project ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well they say June, The amount I was refunded is now more than it costs ith the exchange rate....


pb

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I say go with the lower figure then, if you're going to re-order.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I still think there is a high chance they will never ship. I am still angry about all the 'games' they played. With the changes in exchange rates, they will probably ask me to pay 20% more than what they refunded me.

Yet when I got this reorder email I immediately took out my credit card. What does it say about me?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Interesting, I've not had a re-order email.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I think people in Britain are genuinely having trouble comprehending their currency's massive weakness.

For example the euro and pound were almost 1:1 at one point, which meant that anything priced in pounds was the same in euros. This led to some interesting price comparisons:

Nintendo DS Lite in eurozone = 150 euros = 150 pounds
Nintendo DS Lite in UK = 100 pounds = 100 euros

It meant that people who sold imported hardware in the UK suddenly found that even 30% profit margins were being totally wiped out, and were forced to raise their prices simply to make up for the pound's weakness. The manufacturers weren't earning any more from those raised prices, all they were doing was standing still.

But when the price rises on imported goods started to happen, a lot of people in Britain didn't understand it and claimed they were being cheated somehow.

UK-based forums discussing price increases due to the weakness of the pound are quite interesting, some people comprehend the reasons for prices going up while others seem to just take a "naa naa naa not listening!" attitude. Look at the comments thread on this article for example:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/uk...-have-to-go-up

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You've been labeled a nonbeliever :eek::eek::eek:

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I think the Pandora folks have been consistent so far in willing to eat the exchange rate differences from a canceled order to a reorder. You just to have to provide your original order number and amount you originally paid in your currency.

The thing I find scary about the Pandora is the little item about testing. I am not involved in the consumer electronics business, but from where I stand testing always takes longer than you think, and you always find things you didn't anticipate. Without a thorough testing and QA program, defects will be introduced. The mantra should be test early and test often. I worry that the Pandora folks are so focused on just getting a complete unit to come together that they may have a tendency to minimize the testing aspect.

Back in the day, I purchased one of the first ipaq pocket pcs. They weren't sealed well and were plagued with dust under the screen. I had to send it off for warrantee service to get the screen replaced. Compaq was a big company and the ipaq was also a revolutionary device at the time.

My assumption is that Nokia spends a significant amount of time during testing, and without proof, I would also assume that changes have been made to released products hardware wise as a result of testing.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Oh there is definitely proof of that, lots of it.

You would not BELIEVE the lengths Nokia go to with their testing procedures. The resources they pour into testing are immense, and well beyond the means of smaller companies. For example just one impact-testing slow-mo camera costs over ten thousand euros, and is used to measure how the phone deforms when it is dropped.

Even if you totally ignore device OS and software, the hardware alone has to go through a LOT of hoops before it gets released: tumble tests, drop tests, multi-point bending tests, moisture tests, splash tests, temperature tests, repeated use tests etc.

All About Symbian was invited to tour Nokia's testing facility (which is based in the UK) and here's a video shot by my editor Steve Litchfield:

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/media...arnborough.php

You can also watch the tour on Google Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21695595&hl=en

And all this is just internal testing. A lot of tests have to then be repeated independently in order to receive certificates from various government bodies around the world.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

How about: If I lose the bet, I'll show up at the Summit in a purple pimp suit?

With matching shoes, of course.

If I win, Fanoush has to show up in... um... a chicken suit.

EDIT: krisse, I've done some (accidental) submersion tests on my N800. Amazing how rugged those things are. You can tell that Nokia puts a lot of money into getting it right.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Earlier in the spring my 5800 got dropped so hard onto a concrete floor that the cover and battery flew off at high speed.

When I snapped it back together though:

-It worked fine, and has worked fine ever since (many many weeks ago now).

-Not a scratch! I swear this is true, I cannot find a single mark anywhere on the phone or casing. Nothing.

Unofficial replacement covers for Nokia phones tend to snap much more easily than the official covers, so I'm guessing Nokia uses materials which are exceptionally good at flexing and enduring physical blows.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Even so they managed to release the 770 with the WSOD and at least an N800 batch with the screen lasting just a year.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, the tests are on the device's design rather than every unit that leaves the factory.

If the design is followed properly by the factory and parts suppliers, it should be as reliable as the test results show. Unfortunately some problems will creep in during assembly which aren't necessarily anything to do with the design.

For example the very first batch of 5800s had an over-fragile earpiece which was caused by the earpiece part Nokia ordered not matching the spec they asked for. Once the problem was found Nokia switched to a different earpiece supplier and replaced every first-batch 5800's earpiece when they went to authorised repair centres for any reason.

How would Pandora cope if they end up in a similar situation? And even if the manufacturing goes without a hitch, is the Pandora's design durable enough?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Does the rumoured Nokia phone count for the purpose of the bet?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I would say yes, although it looks like Pandora may ship in July and beat it anyway at this point.

Pandora is looking tastier and tastier as time goes by. Hopefully a product will appear

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I wonder whether is there a way to add cellular connectivity to the Pandie. My first planned approximation is a usb 3g modem velcroed to one side. Any better idea?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

What? Are other people participating in the bet? I thought it was just fanoush and I. And it looks now like I will lose. But, considering the fact that I'm not really interested in a smartphone (I do not own a mobile phone at all), I might be buying a Pandora too, now :D

As for the "Does it count?" question: any new Maemo device, including the rumoured "Rover", counts for the Nokia side. So now it seems that Pandora just has to be in fanoush's hands before October for him to win.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Ditto--I'm severely disinterested in purchasing what is basically a phone.. and very likely will carry with it all the baggage of being a phone (much increased price, radio that will be tied to a service, contract plan for phone service if I wanted it, etc.).

Naw.. I think I might also wait and just get a Pandora despite my otherwise pleasant experienced with my N800. (Or, in fact, BECAUSE of them--I REALLY didn't want to lose the two SD slots and the physical location of those slots in the Pandora is PERFECT for me.)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

yeah, get a nokia instead :p

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

bluetooth to a phone?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I am abandoning the idea of using one SIM both for voice and data - I'm presently using two plans from different telcos, one for voice (and it's a bargain) and one for 3g (4,77 gigabyte/month for 30 euros).
So by now I bring with me two phones plus my n810 - that's really too much. This is the reason I'd embed my data sim into a not-so-large kludge sticked to the Pandora... (or else, as lcuk suggests, into a maemophone).


EDIT: here's the Pandora Photo Album -> drool :p

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You know, that will actually work on a Pandora.. unlike with an N8x0, because the Pandora can provide 500mA. You'll have to get a USB2 type 3G modem though, say, Huawei e160 (and not the e220).
Still, that's a lot of power.. so I'll be using a BT phone, just as I do with my N800.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Some 3G modems should work; it all depends on the availability of OSS Linux drivers for its chipset,

Alternatively, at least one of the SD-slots is SDIO-compatible, so if you were to stumble upon a SDIO 3G modemwith Linux drivers, you'd have an internal soltion (minus one storage slot of course).

Just be sure to let me know where you found that SDIO modem...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

perhaps a dual sim phone? Either way, I am and have been drooling, waiting, hoping. Now thats a keyboard for a linux device.

getting excited!!

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Cmon, how can you call this a "keyboard for a linux device". It doesn't even have tab and control keys ! :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Alert, the sleeper has awakened ! :-)

BTW Karel, this time you have no excuse for not coming to grumble at the next summit, if you still haven't escaped Belgium by October... :-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Nokia sells devices which aren't phones? :o I think that, in popular voculabary, the N900 is more akin to a smartphone than a tablet.

Suddenly the Pandora is a lot more interesting to some people, while many others are served (you should read the amount of people who wanted 1) a stable OpenMoko 2) 3G functionality which the N900 would both provide).

Maybe we see even more Pandora-like devices, if you'd read the complaining here you'd think theres a market for some stuff... one thing is sure: the world does not end here.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Looks like a portable console (refering to gaming) with which you can type a long e-mail to your wife. Is that enough convergence?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The triggers are control and alt. (Tab is, of course, ^I)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

No.

The Thread Title is:
"Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet?"

It does not say
"Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Phone?"
or
"Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Maemo 5 lead device?"

Tablet is tablet, and the Rover as we know it so far isn't one.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

IMHO, "tablet" as a common noun is more invalidated by the move from slate to slider (yeah, N810) than the screen size or available connectivity -- but the N810 can be legitimately counted, because it can be used as a (nearly) fully-functional tablet with the keyboard closed. "Internet Tablet" was specific Nokia branding that is not applied to future devices, for reasons which appear to center around connectivity. "Nokia Tablet" is not clearly defined at all, which does make it a rather ambiguous question, and a poor one to bet on without rephrasing it or designating an arbiter. The dogmatic assertions that the RX-51/Rover/N900 is "not a tablet" seem to rely on a peculiar definition of tablet, which may not be the relevant one here.

As penguinbait posed the ambiguously-phrased question, and AFAIK is not involved in any wagers on the matter, I'd suggest taking his interpretation (which was that it does count) for any depending on the thread title, but Fanoush and Qole did (wisely) restate things less ambiguously.

Remember the betting talk started after someone predicted Pandoras shipping by May 1:
Nothing to do with any Nokia product's ship date, actually, but it was followed by Fanoush:and Qole:All talking about RX-51 or Maemo 5 lead device, which the RX-51/Rover/N900 certainly seems to be.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Oooh, semantics :-)

I'd be generous (not that I'm a judge) and say that Rover is still a "tablet" form-factor; it's not a clamshell - the primary top surface is a screen, and it has a slide out keyboard following the same mechanism as the last tablet.

Of course, since it was known Nokia were dropping "internet tablet", perhaps the *bet* should've been phrased about a Maemo 5 device.

In fact, what did the bet say? Can I have a meta-bet that it doesn't directly refer to the thread title (ISTR it referring to fanoush having a device)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hey, just kidding. Though I wouldn't have minded if they put in those keys in a more classic layout, too (just as I hate pressing ESC on the N810 even though it has a hw button for it) instead of a stylish trapezoid-ish layout.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

How about a meta-meta-bet that somebody takes Jaffa's meta-bet even though I just quoted the relevant details?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

welcome to the semantic web! enjoy it before HTML5 takes over and ruins it! :D

seriously, i'd call a clamshell design a tablet. wouldn't you?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Ok, so benny1967 has dropped out of the bet now that the Rover plans have apparently been leaked and they are for a device that is insufficiently tablet-like for him.

What? He was never involved in any bet? Oh. Well then. Carry on.

;) :)