maemo.org - Talk - Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

@TA-t3: got it, good point. Though a 4000 mAh battery seems quite beefy. I'll google for modems having drivers for linux

@Karel Jensens: it's good you're back... really, if it weren't for you and your signature, very few would have known of the Pandora, including myself. And I hope it's been for well ;^)

benny1967

2009-05-28 16:41

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 291523)

Ok, so benny1967 has dropped out of the bet now that the Rover plans have apparently been leaked and they are for a device that is insufficiently tablet-like for him.

What? He was never involved in any bet? Oh. Well then. Carry on.

;) :)

:D

... and I thought nobody would notice.

Karel Jansens

2009-05-29 13:05

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 291443)

Alert, the sleeper has awakened ! :-)

BTW Karel, this time you have no excuse for not coming to grumble at the next summit, if you still haven't escaped Belgium by October... :-)

I'm not really back, just operating at seriously reduced power levels.

Oh, and by October I'll finally be gone from here. Time to change my sig. I guess.

qole	2009-06-17 17:59

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

There's a lot more crossed off the Pandora to-do list now...

Taking the Pandora estimates (mid-July) and adding the usual grain of salt, it looks like the Pandoras may start shipping in late August. Hm, maybe I'll order one for my birthday ;-)

Also a little less hassle for them:

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We shouldn't have a problem with FCC either - as we only need FCC if we sell WITHIN the US. We don't do that yet, we sell from UK and Germany, so FCC is not necessary. It WILL have to be done once there's a US based reseller, but that's nothing to worry about for the first batch.

Matan

2009-06-17 18:46

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

There is no mid-July estimate. The current optimistic estimate is mid-August. Add the necessary mountain of salt, and you will understand that it is unlikely to ship this year.

They are still working on the case.

When they finish, they will have two options: go directly to mass production, in which case they will ship in September, but they won't know if it will work or not until then. Or they might decide to make another model case, which pushes everything by a few months, making November as the earliest option, and sometime in 2010 (or later) as the likely option.

debernardis

2009-06-21 14:40

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

While maemo tablets are turning in maemo phones, there's a guy planning to turn a Pandora in a Panda-phone, using some kind of external, usb or sdio gsm radio, plus some software.
Even if I haven't seen the thing either, it's amusing :)

http://openpandora.wordpress.com/200...ell-from-hell/

daperl

2009-06-21 16:03

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

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Originally Posted by debernardis (Post 298394)

Instead of "clamshell cell" they should just call it a clamcell, 'cause Hell hath no fury like a cell's clam scorned. No hate mail, please.

qole	2009-06-24 23:23

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Ha! Looks like they're going to use the wifi driver that Nokia open-sourced!

http://openpandora.wordpress.com/200...is-talks-wifi/

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[T]he WL12xx driver [is] written by Kalle Valo of Nokia. This is a nice modern driver (MAC80211) and is already in Wireless-Testing (as of a few days ago) and on its way to mainline.

This driver was SPI only but a gent by the name of Bob Copeland added the start of SDIO support and we are working off that base to bring the driver up on the Pandora so we have a nice solid mainline driver to use that is actively developed, supports the Pandora out of the gate, and is easy to maintain.

As of now I have the WL2151 firmware loading on the Pandora with the new driver and lots of nice signs of life but the work is a little way away from passing traffic ;) (the Linux SDIO stack is causing me pain)...

The only real snag is on the SDIO communication side of things (timing issues I think) but I have been getting some helpful advice on that front so the plan is to sink a few hours into that over the weekend. Started to push a few simple patches upstream for things like chip ID’s so with any luck by the time the driver hits mainline the Pandora should ‘just work’ if I can nail all the SDIO bits.

Once I get things settled (hopefully) I want to have a play with trying to get hostapd going as I have some funky uses for a mobile access point in mind ;)

If anyone wants patches (or is familiar with the kernels SDIO stack) drop me a bell.

Should he be bugged to contribute patches back to the "upstream project" here at maemo.org?

EDIT: I was wrong, that driver isn't on maemo.org; it must be part of the main Linux kernel .... cool...

FRZ	2009-06-30 17:23

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

The current device reports i am seeing indicate to me that i might have to get a OpenPandora after all. I am now hoping that I will be able to order one once it is finished. All these top level companies are only after making devices for the text messaging kiddies out there that are all copies of each other, nothing new like the OpenPandora.

qole	2009-06-30 18:02

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Hmm, this is only partially true:

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I know there are some OMAP3 devices coming – but none will be as open and supported for homebrew and Linux as the Pandora is.

I won't question "supported for homebrew," since that is the very essence of the Pandora project, but I think the rest is a bit too much...

debernardis

2009-07-02 17:15

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

100 Pandora devices ready for delivery!
EDIT: I was too excited. They're planning to send the first 100 units 15 days before the first batch, and they're wandering who's going to be lucky...

I twitted Craigix to send some to customers from maemo.org forums in order to test Mer and alleviate craves...

Read http://openpandora.wordpress.com/200...the-first-100/

danramos

2009-07-02 19:25

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Originally Posted by FRZ (Post 301127)

Ditto. I find that the rumors around the new Nokai tablet are driving me away toward the Pandora, at this point.

qole	2009-07-07 17:23

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Another "in two months" post:

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Based on these calculations, it looks like the end of August to start seeing fully assembled units and then shipping to customers in early September. Having to ship things back and forth around the world really sucks, but it's unavoidable on this first batch due to taxation laws. Only the developer units provided free of charge to those involved with Pandora's development can ship direct so, in a way, shipping to developers first is the only way this can be done without needlessly wasting time. :)

Let's hope this is the final "in two months" calculation and we make it well before being one year late. What a nightmare this all has been. I really wonder what 2007 me would have said if current me went back in time and told him what was in store for the next 24 months. Ah, who am I kidding? I'm a sucker for punishment. I'm sure I'd still be right here. :D

I also found an amazing tool for determining when the Pandora will ship!

VDVsx

2009-07-07 17:32

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 302682)

I also found an amazing tool for determining when the Pandora will ship!

:eek:
We need a similar one for the n900 ship date :D

sachin007

2009-07-07 17:35

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

Looks like pandora is going to beat the Nokia!

sjgadsby

2009-07-07 18:30

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Originally Posted by VDVsx (Post 302688)

We need a similar one for the n900 ship date

Even easier:

The Maemo 5 lead device is coming at "...we don't have anything to announce on the Maemo 5 lead device right now."

fpp	2009-08-02 20:17

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

Well, both devices have just been beaten to the finish line by a relative newcomer that wasn't even on the radar when this thread was started : I just read that the first ToughBooks are being shipped to those who preordered...

edit : Always Innovating TouchBook, not Panasonic ToughBook ! Sorry for the typo...

MountainX

2009-08-02 20:58

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 308343)

Is the ToughBook even in this category? The smallest one seems to weight over 2 pounds! http://www.buytough.com

Or am I not looking at the right product?

qole	2009-08-02 21:56

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I don't understand either... Panasonic isn't a newcomer... Was 'toughbook' a typo or something?

MountainX

2009-08-02 22:47

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 308359)

I don't understand either... Panasonic isn't a newcomer... Was 'toughbook' a typo or something?

Yes, typo. It should be Touch Book.
http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/

qole	2009-08-03 01:21

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Very interesting : this is where Nokia is very different from the competition (Pandora and Always Innovating):

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Originally Posted by Always Innovating website

Note on the First Batch: Beta Software

We are very excited to have finalized the Touch Book hardware. As you know, we are at the cutting edge of innovation with a new processor, a new architecture, a new design and new applications. The Touch Book Operating System will continue to be a work-in-progress over the next few months. As beta software (and not beta à la Google News), you should not expect a flawless experience by July. But don't worry, we will be here to provide support, and we intend to push frequent updates so as to continue improving the user experience. With your feedback, we will be able to test, refine, and prepare for a final software release later this year.

Moreover, we will offer the choice of operating systems backed by partners, which are heavily invested on the hardware platform the Touch Book is based on. The Touch Book is built to last!

I wouldn't be surprised if Always Innovating is borrowing heavily from the Fremantle codebase...

FRZ	2009-08-03 01:29

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 308387)

Very interesting : this is where Nokia is very different from the competition (Pandora and Always Innovating):

I wouldn't be surprised if Always Innovating is borrowing heavily from the Fremantle codebase...

So they too will have their issues fix in frementle.:rolleyes:

Thesandlord

2009-08-03 01:42

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 308387)

Thats great, and BETTER than Nokia. Why, because they release the product, and FIX the problems the users report. Who cares what codebase they use. Because they admit they will be in beta, people will try harder to help and improve thier personal experience. This is the beauty of Open Source (sharing and feedback), and I think Nokia misses this point, with all the "fixed in fremantle" stuff.

theflew

2009-08-03 03:56

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Originally Posted by Thesandlord (Post 308390)

Always Innovating and Pandora have benefited heavily from the stuff Nokia has sent upstream and open sourced.

Releasing beta code works for small companies because the users know what they're getting into. When I buy something from a big box retailer I don't expect beta. I expect finished, polished software - not promises. Go to the Zonbu forums and talk to the people there about promises that weren't fulfilled and now the founder has moved on to Always Innovating.

Fremantle is taking awhile because this device/software will be Nokia's flagship and the market will not be gentle to them releasing something half baked. The N97 already proved that point.

attila77

2009-08-03 08:55

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 308387)

I wouldn't be surprised if Always Innovating is borrowing heavily from the Fremantle codebase...

AFAIK the "Touchbook OS" is a beagleboard-ready Angstrom distro with a fancy desktop front-end, if it does get fremantle stuff, it is more likely through cross-pollination via the beagleboard than direct borrowing by Always Innovating.

Personally, I think that without an established company and userbase, it's a bit a of waste to reinvent the desktop/wheel (this trap got OpenMoko to an extent, as well). I guess when they started Mer was way off the roadmap and there are not much many alternatives for an embedded desktop except for the Zaurus descendant they went with in the end. I don't see them being able to carry such a burden for too long so it will leak users to Android and, in time, (depending on progress) Mer.

Mara	2009-08-11 00:40

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If we go back to the topic... anyone heard anything when Pandora should actually ship? Their website "latest status" hasn't shown any progress for many months... Starts to look like Nokia will win this round, when you can say that RX-51 has at least passed FCC while that is still on the "to do" list on Pandora team... :rolleyes:

qole	2009-08-11 06:04

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I was just over checking the unofficial roadmap on the Pandora, and they're hoping to have the case mould done by the beginning of September.

Nokia might have passed FCC, but Pandora may be more nimble getting units out the door and into the hands of users, especially since those users have prepaid. Depending on where he is on the waiting list, fanoush may still get his Pandora first...

It is going to be an interesting Autumn, I think.

danramos

2009-08-11 08:15

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

I'm also not sure I want to put the Touchbook in the same category as the Pandora or Nokia's Internet Tablets since the Touchbook is DEFINITELY not pocket-sized. Not even cargo pockets will hold that.

fanoush

2009-08-11 08:29

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

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Originally Posted by Mara (Post 310656)

If we go back to the topic... anyone heard anything when Pandora should actually ship?

In two months. For last year the answer was always the same :-)

fpp	2009-08-11 09:34

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 310749)

I'm also not sure I want to put the Touchbook in the same category as the Pandora or Nokia's Internet Tablets since the Touchbook is DEFINITELY not pocket-sized.

To clarify : I wasn't trying to put the Touchbook in the same class of devices as the Pandora and N900 (although it is ARM-based). It just amused me that this totally unknown outfit, having shown a prototype only a few months ago, is supposedly actually shipping its first units, while we've been discussing those two for a couple of years now... :-)

fanoush

2009-08-11 10:30

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 310766)

It just amused me that this totally unknown outfit, having shown a prototype only a few months ago, is supposedly actually shipping its first units, while we've been discussing those two for a couple of years now... :-)

Maybe making netbook today is a bit simpler - mostly just putting existing parts together. They also used beagleboard as is, it is visible in some youtube videos.
bb uboot logo visible - 0:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHzrg3I1HU
inside with bb visible - 4:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLm8vrddac

fpp	2009-08-11 11:58

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I understand that -- maybe they were clever about it, but I think they still brought something original and creative to market in a very short time. It's like a netbook, yes, but ARM, separate keyboard with battery, accessible internal USB... an innovative one.

FRZ	2009-08-11 18:36

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Originally Posted by Mara (Post 310656)

I was thinking the same thing. Now that the RX-51 has been leaked and seing how big companies like Nokia are able to get things done a lot faster due to resources, I'd say it look like they will beat the openpandora to the punch. Again that is the disadvantages of being small companies vs big companies making products but, I am still hoping for the pandora to come out.

danramos

2009-08-11 19:04

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

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Originally Posted by fpp (Post 310766)

True enough. And in any case, it seems to fit the bill for EXACTLY the device I want in EVERY way--except the physical size. Right down to the myriad of USB slots to let *ME* add what I want to it instead of forcing me to buy hardware I don't want built-in like a radio for a carrier I don't want. If I'd seen this coming, I probably would have gotten this instead of my Dell mini9. (Illustrating my point about why people should be allowed to know what to expect in an upcoming product, as Pandora is doing and Nokia appears to have chosen not to do).

krisse

2009-08-27 19:31

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

So is the Pandora likely to be out before the N900, now that we know it's October?

qole	2009-08-27 20:17

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

I still say no. But that's what the bet is about, isn't it? ;-)

zerojay

2009-08-27 20:19

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Originally Posted by krisse (Post 316579)

so is the pandora likely to be out before the n900, now that we know it's october?

no... Way.

sjgadsby

2009-08-27 20:21

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet

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Originally Posted by krisse (Post 316579)

So is the Pandora likely to be out before the N900, now that we know it's October?

I hear the Pandora is going to ship in two months, so it could be a close race!

*pure innocence*

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