Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Is that as in "two months from now" or as in "two months from whenever you next ask"? I was looking through the rest of the thread and there was talk of the final Pandora production being in June or something...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

You've seen the Pandora countdown clock then?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

LOL

...or to put it another way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChmy2oAH7c

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Didn't the Pandora ship a year ago? :rolleyes: :p

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Or, one could spin it slightly differently and say that a N900 tablet is never coming out, and there is no proof that Nokia will ever make another tablet.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

That would be the Iraqi Information Minister strategy then? :-)

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

It is true that Pandora will come in a bundle with Duke Nukem Forever...?

:)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I remember him! He was cool!

I'm delighted that you have evidence that Nokia is going to make a tablet! Where can I read about it? I must have missed the news amidst all the N900 shock and awe!

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Ahh... yeah, sorry I misread your original post.

You're right that technically the N900 isn't the same form factor as the N8X0, so yes one possible spin is indeed that Nokia has no new tablet hardware announced. :-)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Hasn't it been conclusively decided that this 3.5" screen N900 phone is actually an Internet Tablet?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

My little son asked me few days ago: "but how was it possible that a monkey had a son that was not a monkey anymore?"

Whenever that transition happened, those living it couldn't probably care less.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Sooo... Today we have 6-7 billion non-monkey sons but ALSO a few million monkey sons, living in a (relatively peaceful) coexistance. Right ? RIGHT ? :D

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Have you seen the Gibraltar monkeys(well, macaques)? They are living in coexistence with non-monkeys. And generally, if you don't carry food, peaceful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_Barbary_Macaques

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

It's all just a matter of taste really.

It does all the same functions as an internet tablet but it has a slightly smaller screen and a cellular radio transmitter.

But Nokia hasn't called it a tablet, so is it one?

It's like PDAs, a lot of people stop calling them PDAs if they have cellular radio even if their functions and physical appearance is identical to non-cellular PDAs.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

What is really interesting is that Nokia are PUSHING the "raw computer power" in a mobile device. Although its not a mobile device, its a "mobile computer"

Seems like thats what we have been asking for all along, although it still looks like a mobile device and I see only moves away from being more computer like, except in the marketing shpeal.

It will be interesting to see what will run on this thing, but it seems like the screen size will make already working apps like koffice even more unusable without perfect vision or a magnifying glass. Although they will probably fire up fast and run smooth...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Funny, a short while back weren't we insisting that it was a matter of physical specification? e.g. a screen bigger than 3.5".

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Considering the fact that it supports pretty much all the same stuff, same apps and so on... yeah. Unless you have some different criteria for "internet tablet" than I do.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Price, maybe ?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

As I said, primarily, screen size.

This is not just my view but appeared to be the consensus on the forum esp. when comparison was being made to the iPhone.

So by this forum's own definition the N900 is a smart phone and not an internet tablet.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

By Nokia's own definition it is NOT an "internet tablet" it is a "mobile computer"

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Where does that 3.5" figure come from? Who decided on it?

Whoever did decide on it did so as a matter of taste, because there's no significant functional difference between a 3.6" screen and a 3.4" screen.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The N900 is roughly the same price as the N810 and N800, both of which were approx 400-500 euros when they launched in Europe. The N810 is 200 euros now, but that's two years down the line.

The US price probably won't be 500 euros, manufacturers usually reduce the price quite significantly for the American market for various reasons.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I'd say this is still speculation. As long as I haven't checked the N900 for each and every function I use on my N810 regularly, I'm not convinced. It simply doesn't look like it could perform all these tasks.

(And note how I say "functions I use regularly"... I'm not even starting to think about what an N810 does every now and then.)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

No, it is not. The N900 will cost about 600 Euro according to the information we have. In much of Europe it is not common (and illegal in some places) to quote prices excluding VAT. The 400-500 figure you provide includes VAT, while the "about 500" figure for the N900 specifically excludes VAT.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Okay, maybe not exactly the same but that's still pretty close. :-)

The full price of the N810 at launch including typical european tax was close to 500 euros. The N900 would probably be close to 600 including typical european taxes. Those are fairly similar prices, both well into the high end.

I was mainly trying to emphasise that the price of the N810 now (about 200 - 250 euros including taxes) isn't really representative of the N810's launch price. I bet the N900 will cost 200 euros two years after its launch.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

...such as?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Uh-uh. In France the 770, N800 and N810 were respectively 349, 399 and 449€ at launch, *tax included*.

I've repeatedly seen the N900 quoted at 649€ here, although I couldn't track the source. That's not "roughly the same" to me.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Nokia's PR department can call it what they want but it is a mobile phone and will be purchased, by and large, as such. i.e. subsidised by a network provider under a fixed term contract.

The decision potential customers will make is whether they prefer it to an iPhone, Palm Pre or whatever else that should be available.

Maybe not but there is a significant difference between a 3.4" screen and a 4.3" screen. Generally speaking, the definition of an Internet Tablet that was pedantically debated on this forum overlapped with that of the Intel MID spec. which is clearly defined as regards the screen size.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Point taken.

449 and 649 are much closer than 250 and 649 though, which is the main point I think I was trying to make.


The thing is, manufacturers and suppliers often use definitions as convenient marketing labels rather than technical standards.

For example the N95 is defined by Nokia as a "multimedia computer" while the 6220 is defined by Nokia as a "mobile phone". They're pretty much the same device, but they've been categorised differently for marketing purposes.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I really like this final layout

http://penguinbait.com/keymat.jpg

( ) { } [ ] | ` ' / \ ^ (CTRL) (ALT) (TAB) F1-12

These guys were listening

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

And most important of all, '|'
(/, for example, can be achieved with <tab> if your shell is set up correctly, while no shell can expand to a pipe character when you want to '| more' something.)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

What, nobody's going to complain about the tiny space bar way over on the right hand side? :p ;)

By the way, the instructions are going to clearly state that you can press any key on the keyboard except the box key in the middle of the keyboard. Don't press Pandora's box, whatever you do. Seriously. Don't do it.

Oh man. Now you've gone and done it.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

The n8x0 don't have a 4,3" screen. It's 4,13"! And the n900 does have a 3,5" screen and not 3,4".

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well... looks like they're taking the last orders for a 100 or so, they're making the units in Dallas, Texas, price held at $330...

http://bit.ly/hktG2

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Does this presume that the first batch will actually make it out this year...? ;)

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Well, two months from now is still 2009, so obviously the first batch will make it out this year.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Assuming this latest prediction is accurate, was my point.

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

Still wondering if I will get a pandora before I get an n900?

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

N95 CPU: Dual ARM 11 332 MHz processor; 3D Graphics HW Accelerator

6220 CPU: ARM 11 369 MHz processor

That's a significant difference...

Re: Who will ship first? Pandora or Nokia Tablet
 

I'm beginning to wonder if I'll shake Jesus' hand before I receive my N900