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I'd say Mer should have a sub-section, perhaps under a general "Hacker Editions" heading or similar.

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How to promote threads as news: could be based on the current stars. I nn users give 4/5 stars then off you go. Or something like that. Or the same karma principles used for planet Maemo. Or...

ITt has shown a big success with the current structure so I'm not thinking of proposing any radical change, only an evolution.

General is good IMHO.

Mer or anything needs more than 10 threads to get an own forum. As a former admin of forums I have seen many subforums opened for something before it was strictly needed, becoming dead places less than a year after. I don't wish this to Mer, but because of this I have no doubt they will reach the right volume to deserve one

I commented to Reggie that I would draft a proposal here. And the initial post is what I'm going to propose him tomorrow unless someone comes with amazing improvements.

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Most people don't rate threads (I know I don't), and the people who do usually do so because they really love or really hate a thread. We'd need to get people rating threads more, or perhaps make it easier to rate threads (maybe just a thumb/heart like Planet). Tying it into the favorites karma might help too.

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I was looking at the list of OS's under Software, and I see where you're going. Only the last official OS for each device is represented.

So where do people put threads about OS200[78]HE? Same treatment as Mer, place it under Alternatives? Or just do like people are doing now, put it under Devices/770?

There's a discussion about this very problem here.

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Wow I didn't even know you could rate threads! Maybe the box for rating them should be at the bottom, not the top, as you don't know what rating to give until you've read it.

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I'd say the HEs go to the OS forum they correspond to e.g OS2008 for the OS2008 HE.

It is important to keep the Devices forums hardware centric.

About Mer, the threads started in Alternatives and nobody complained. I'm for keeping it there until something relevant happens. For instance, if they achieve Maemo 5 API and UI they would be probably fine in a subforum under Maemo 5.

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I am much in favor of promoting items of especial interest from the forums, as previously noted.

These aren't always News, however -- unless you can keep in mind the weekly newspaper standby, usually entitled something like "Goings on around town." The interest of the community makes some non-newsworthy events worth being reported.

I guess I'm saying the interpretation of what is usefully boosted to the News level should be as broad as possible, without simply grabbing every very-active thread because the number of posts indicate there's a lot of interest.

Of course, that's what editors are for, or moderators as we call 'em.

Roger

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True; a controversial thread might gain a lot of attention while not being worth it to be noticed on the main page.

I'd say a balance between beginner (outsiders) and advanced (insiders) is important. You don't want it to be too global and simple (boring for regulars); you don't want it to be too technical and deep (confusing and cultist for new-comers).

And perhaps using tags. Editors can pick the topics and write about them, or change the order they are shown (related to relevance and catering both outsiders and insiders).

Re: Forum reorg pointing to talk.maemo.org
 

I would recommend to start a new thread discussing the promotions of threads to news, so here we can concentrate in the forums reorg.

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I have modified the forums to reflect the new proposed structure.

The major thing that changed was to merge the "Alternatives" sub-forums. I have manually pre-fixed the post titles on the merged sub-forums with [Android], [Debian], [KDE], and [Palm OS] to make it easier to know where they came from and what they are talking about.

Also, I think some of the forum names are a bit too long.

Let me know what you think.

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Im for lot less forums too:

-Rename "official apps" to "Nokia Applications"
-Rename the terrible "3rd party apps" to just "Applications"
(If u ask me I would move the 'Nokia Applications' as an Application's subforum and remove all the other application specific subforums)
-General (maybe a subforum for video links?)
-Offtopic
this IMO should be the core

No way a newbie can understant what is really newbie: I would suggest a 'rate' system for senior members and keep the threads togheter in the 'right' forum.

'Last post' on home page is 90% useless to me i would prefer the direct link to the thread that received more posts in last 12 hours.

Add an empty 5 star jpg to each thread: people just dont know that rating exist: to make someone vote for my thread I had to
downvote mine with a 2 just to put the stars there :). A sad 1 star thread now is much more visible than a clever one with no stars...

I would promote the position of threads connected with a maemo project: if an application begin to be dowloaded from maemo make sense that the relative thread receive more 'visibility'.

Since Nokia was hiring maemo related people like crazy during last months seem a bit odd to me there isn't a 'Job' thread on ITT.

A bit offtopic note: garage should not let people uploads jpg and screenshots: I used (not in a malicious way) the garage repository and linked the screenshots on ITT and I probably generated a lot of waste bandwidth and + fake stats on the maemo charts: I just realized that watching one of my minor stupid project being on the 'Most Active This Week'. Just suggest people to use ano other 'pic site' and block the jpg upload on garage

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Did you upload the images to trunk or to www? You can have a www repo in garage where you have your project-website. Nothing should be wrong with linking from ITT to images from your project website.

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I think is better continue this discussion under Developers...
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...287#post272287
I only posted here because the idea of link the ITT threads to maemo repository

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After noticing the 'official apps' forum today after the reorganisation I completely agree with the above -- 'Nokia Applications' would be way better.

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. . . and less accurate. ITVC is a Nokia application, the stuff that ships with Maemo are Maemo SW applications.

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OK, but I really hate that 'Official' part.. can't we find something better?

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Why?

What about "Maemo SW Apps"?

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I expect too many will read that as "Software Apps for Maemo", rather than "Apps by Maemo Software", and wonder why there's also a 3rd Party forum.

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Mmm... should we merge all the apps (official, community, 3rd party commercial...) and open subforums by categories when they have enough traffic? Following the same taxonomy agreed for the Application Manager e.g. Internet, Multimedia...

I would start renaming Canola ---> Multimedia and moving the bunch of most recent threads there.

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I agree, but I still think is a good idea to offer an easy landing there, and then redirect the threads that have an obvious placement below. At least for now. If we see that slowly the newcomers are finding the right foums and the newbie is less and less used we can move it to Old.

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Because 3rd party applications are 'official' too. Is OpenOffice less official than Microsoft Word? As long as application is not beta and is released to general public it is as official as anything else.

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I like this approach. The Official/3rd-party devide feels like application ghettos to me. No reason Nokia Maps can't be discussed next to Maemo Mapper, and the built-in browser next to Tear.

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Nokia Maps would belong in an S60 forum. We'd be discussing Navicore Map here.

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Not for long if Wayfinder is discontinued
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...d.php?p=272420

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Indications seem to point to Nokia Maps being bundled with Fremantle anyway.

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I was thinkin' "Official" meant any app that doesn't show that 3rd party software disclaimer when you install it or it was shipped with the device or was included in an OS upgrade.

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This proposal got 1 thanks and 1 positive comment but no feedback from the guys discussing about what is official and where is Nokia Maps. Not enough to make a decision and not so little to drop the idea.

Please comment.

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> Why?

Because when I see 'Offcial apps' I automatically think 'Official according to whom?'

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Third party.. we need to know who are the other party then. I haven't heard this term for a long time, probably since I left microsoft OS.
I like the "Nokia apps" idea, if it is really needed to differentiate.

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I quote myself :), now I just need to begin to talk in 3rd person and use the majestic plural...
Subforums by categories sound fine to me (and a smaller header pic please :) )

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Yes to app categories (Internet, multimedia, etc.)

One thing not being discussed is that many apps are in development, undocumented, or otherwise not appropriate for casual users. Perhaps this is more important in practice than the "official" distinction, although somewhat overlapping.

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I think just one big apps forum is needed, which will contain both Maemo SW apps and other apps. I don't think we need subcategories, unless one or two categories overwhelm the apps forum.

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Here are a few more changes as per Quim:

• merged Official and 3rd party apps to a single 'Applications' forum. Main category renamed to 'Software'
• renamed 'Canola' to 'Multimedia'. Canola threads prefixed with '[Canola]'.
• renamed 'Gaming' as 'Games'

Re: Forum reorg pointing to talk.maemo.org
 

Alright, based on bug 4476 we may want to discuss the naming of the maemo.org forum and the Talk section.

I'm thinking we could safely rename maemo.org to "Website", but I'm not sure about Talk.

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Hey, I was just getting used to the Talk > Talk > pipe... :p

Even better is maemo.org > Talk > Talk > maemo.org (see this thread's header). It's complete. Circular. Self-referential. Break that and I'm sure monkeys will fly out of someone's butt...

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How about maemo.org > Talk > Shooting the Sh*t > maemo.org

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The Garnet VM poses a number of specific issues (e.g., how to make backups) that a normal Palm OS forum isn't really used to seeing, and that are really quite specific to the implementation we have on the Nokia tablets.

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Thus, this:

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Having just gone through the Alternatives forum tagging hundreds of threads, I can tell you that the Garnet VM is one of the most deserving alternatives for a subforum.

Take a look at this list. These are just the threads that I've tagged so far. There's several dozen I haven't gotten to yet.

Looking at the tag cloud really shows that our work in Alternatives is paying off. Look at the size of the alternative tags (like kde, mer, garnet, debian, deblet, android, etc) compared to tags you would expect to be bigger (like n800, maemo, microb, etc).

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qole: Very interesting list. I had no idea there were that many, even though I follow all the GVM stuff. And almost every thread topic is very specific, focused on a real issue. That tells me that those using GVM on NIT are quite keen :) (and as rcsteiner also said, GVM issues are of a different nature than native PalmOS issues).