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gazza_d 2009-03-28 18:29

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Ohh, Geneven, I think that's a bit harsh.

When nokia were developing the tablets, they took decisions such as not including a PIM, or word document reading functionality. Both features are present in S60 phones as default, and both features have been heavily critisised by users since.

My impression is that with Maemo.org, and the council, Nokia are trying to encourage user involvement, and feedback in a controlled manner that Nokia can cope with, and listening to any of your users, be they Developers, or Power Users, or Normal Users is a good thing, and should be encouraged.

What should happen is that people like you and I, who are active users and participants, should help steer and influence the council members.

I now have a maemo.org account BTW, and will try and garner enough brownie points to be able to vote in future.

Gaz

sjgadsby 2009-03-28 18:41

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gazza_d (Post 275312)
I now have a maemo.org account BTW, and will try and garner enough brownie points to be able to vote in future.

If you've linked in your iTT account by entering the proper information in your profile on maemo.org, then I think you'll find after the karma calculator next runs that you have already earned more than enough karma to vote.

GeneralAntilles 2009-03-28 18:45

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gazza_d (Post 275312)
My impression is that with Maemo.org, and the council, Nokia are trying to encourage user involvement, and feedback in a controlled manner that Nokia can cope with, and listening to any of your users, be they Developers, or Power Users, or Normal Users is a good thing, and should be encouraged.

Nokia isn't the one who came up with and implemented the council, the community is. maemo.org and the council are by the community, for the community, of the community.

GeneralAntilles 2009-03-28 18:49

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 275308)
What concerns me is that any rise in influence of the Maemo Community is likely to diminish the already miniscule influence of the users.

Yes, a few enthusiasts have way more influence than the people out there purchasing the hardware to the tune of millions of dollars.

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 275308)
The migration of this user-centered site to the Maemo whatever may be the death knell to the tablets.

You keep making inaccurate statements like these and I keep trying to correct you (to, apparently, no effect). It's this flawed view of the situation that largely invalidates most of your arguments.

geneven 2009-03-28 19:04

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
If I'm wrong, I'm happy. We'll see what happens.

The fact that this site is migrating is not true? That's great! The fact that this is a user-centered site is true, I guess.

The fact that the Maemo site is programmer-centered is not true? I think it is true. You say it is changing. I say, no fair taking credit for a change that has not happened.

For example, the Wiki that you have put together so helpfully, specifies that it is mainly for advanced users. Presumably there is another Wiki in the wings that will cure all such ills.

The POSSIBILITY that the planned changes may be the death knell to the tablets CANNOT be contradicted -- unless you have a crystal ball. No one knows the future, even me.

GeneralAntilles 2009-03-28 19:24

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 275325)
The POSSIBILITY that the planned changes may be the death knell to the tablets CANNOT be contradicted -- unless you have a crystal ball. No one knows the future, even me.

There's an argument that can't be used to support saying anything. . . . .

BrentDC 2009-03-28 19:26

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
If it is true that Maemo is converting from a developer-centric website to an end-user one, then I think this page needs a serious rewrite. Specifically this line:

Quote:

Writers specializing on end user topics are only accepted exceptionally: maemo.org is for developers and power users.

GeneralAntilles 2009-03-28 19:44

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrentDC (Post 275327)
If it is true that Maemo is converting from a developer-centric website to an end-user one

Maemo isn't a website, Maemo is a software platform. maemo.org is the website.

qgil 2009-03-28 19:50

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
But it's true that Planet Maemo needs to be re-thought to address the new situation. This is worth a new thread for discussion.

BrentDC 2009-03-28 19:55

Re: Maemo Community Council: Why didn't you vote?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 275329)
Maemo isn't a website, Maemo is a software platform. maemo.org is the website.

They call that "being understood".

Additionally, the name of the website is maemo, .org is a generic top level domain that indicates the maemo website is an organization.

Stop splitting hairs. It only makes one of us look like a fool, and it's not me.


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