No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Yesterday. on www.shopbot.ca, I still was able to find the N810 on eXpansys website, but now it's not there anymore. The price was way higher than any average good deal you Americans had.

With the current "Not in stock" or "Special command" status of the N800 and N810 on many american websites, I do start to believe that the N810 hasn't been produced in very big quantity.

I've got my N800 stolen the 29th December and now I'm pissed because because that I can't find any N810 here at reasonnable price, even used. I don't feel like shopping in the states because of the insane brokerage fees with UPS and Fedex. Not counting the prohibitive shipping charge sometimes from eBay sellers.

N900, where are you!!?!?!?!??! If Nokia didn't plan to release the N900 or whatever its name is sooner, why did they stop the production of the N800 and N810? :[

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

I noticed that there was a brief burst of good prices (about a month); the N810 was down to $275 in several places. Then the prices jumped back up to pre-sale levels, and now the N810 is just gone.

I agree that it is weird that Nokia would stop producing the N810 before the next device has even been announced.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

This is a frustrating issue! I'm reared and ready to purchase the most wonderful of N810s and cannot find a unit at a reasonable price! Most places that I have seen (by a LARGE margin) are sold-out and those that have it in stock, are listing very high prices; which when coupled with exchange, shipping, customs, and brokerage fees make them ludicrously high and equally unappealing.

I have the patience to wait, but if the N900/RX-51 draws near, I will opt just to wait a few months more and shell out the $500+ for the newer device.

I wonder why companies are not stocking these units. Perhaps Nokia has choked up on shipments. Perhaps the economy has limited stocking slower-selling products -- if these are indeed slower-selling. Its odd, because there seems to be a steady demand for these units as reflected in the price rising proportional to the steadily dwindling supply.

Ah well. Ol' cap, satisfied in his years, can wait a wee longer.


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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Nokia's got a nice long track record of seamingly forgetting about us Canadians with their tablet products; I had to order my first 770 from Nokia US, and that was months after it was released. I got my first N800 over a year after it had been released, and it was still an out of stock/special order item. (I remember calling 3 tiger direct stores and running around for two weeks until one finally got a shipment of 4 of them in... which after myself, my friend, and my dad bought one... the guy who was cashing my out bought the fourth and they were out of stock again for a month). My understanding was that the N810 was generally the same sort of story... and I'm pretty sure that when the N900 or whatever it's called finally shows up, I'll be ordering for full price from the US as I really don't plan on waiting another 3-6 months for Nokia to remember that Canada exists and has a large following for these tablets!

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

We have been seeing this trend over the last couple of months and I can't really say how long it will continue. But I would advise that you keep checking the sites as a new shipment may arrive at anytime and then the prices will fall as has been happening.

Re: No just in Canada
 

Well, I've wanted a N810 since a while, and now I got money to buy one, but there isn't one available on the US Internet sites.

I did a comprehensive search and it's nowhere to find it.

They delete it from many of the sites where it was just yesterday.

In the Nokia US store is available to 'backorder'

So it's strange. Not just in Canada

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

PS 1: Since I don't live in the US/CA/Europe is almost the same for me to order from one country or the other.

PS2: I found it (and they say its 'back in stock') its on Expansys, but UK.

I think it's a fair deal, you may need to buy a different charger, but that's not difficult to find, it's a Nokia charger, just like any other.

PS3: Since on Europe is back on stock, maybe they effectivly run out of stock and now they are sending the stock to different parts of the world.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

hey guys go to craigslist canada... precisly this week i went in there looking for a nokia n810 and it appears that there were some people selling brand new units.. about 330 dollars.. this is a fraction of the cost for what i paid for mine in december $ 500

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Thanks for the tip, but.......
I actually called the seller ($325 and $330) this morning and he had sold out of units! The others haven't returned my emails/calls. Kijiji was the same. Sadly, it would seem that the shortage applies to classifieds as well.


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Re: No just in Canada
 

For US: go to
http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-i...206228943.html

On the right side (Marketplace Buying Choices) $220 shipped still!

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Ah, if only we were talking about the US. Does Walmart still sell them for $220?

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

On ebay, there's a guy selling for $499 US! After conversion and shipping, the price is an out-of-the-question $670 CDN! Of course, this is an exception, but to find prices this high is very interesting. Many other sellers have far more reasonable prices (if it weren't for shipping + customs, that is).

The prices have certainly soared as supplies have decreased. I'm hoping that Nokia is getting ready to stock suppliers with the next in the tablet family to explain the lack of N810s. I can see myself paying around $600 for the N900 (due to the newness), but wouldn't drop near that on the N810 with promises that a replacement is around the bend.

Looks like I may be waiting a few more months after all!


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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

I really believe we're in the final stretch when it comes to the new tablet. The beta SDK is due before the end of May and I believe the new devices will appear shortly (within weeks) of the Beta SDK appearing...

Time is flying... Only two weeks to Easter already...

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Yes I bought an N800 from TigerDirect.ca last year.
It failed wihin 3 months (bad screen) and TigerDirect with a one month return
policy would not take it back but referred me to Nokia.
Nokia refused to honor their warranty since this was a "US Branded" model
that was purchased in Canada, not the US.
What a farce.
In other words, even if Tiger Direct still has the N810, don't buy from them.
(They did eventually replace my 800 with an 810 but only after I threatened
to cancel my very lucrative Corporate account with them.)
Thanks for nothing, TD and Nokia.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

This article may shed some some light on the lower supply levels:
'Engadget - Nokia pulling all OEM contracts?

It seems that Nokia is transitioning from outside manufacturers of its tech to internal manufacturing. This info is via iSupply, whose press release on the matter is copied below (for convenience).


I especially like the last paragraph of the release. It describes the prudent structure of the organization to hedge against financial squalls. Here's hoping that the upcoming line of products can compete more favourably against the onslaught of competition on the horizon, and doubly that the economy picks up for us all!



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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

This means that many upcoming models will be delayed and it can mean also that next tablet models are delayed far to the future. Hope still that those tablets are going to production some day.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

What is the reasoning for this bold assertion? After reading the press-release, I didn't get that impression, but perhaps I'm missing something.. Please explain!



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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Same exact story, here. $330 looked like a reasonable price to me.

I need some WIFI-ish gadget to have in my pocket and leach the WIFI hotspot from the local iStore in my airport during my breaks. :X

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

If production is related to demand and Nokia is taking care all the manufacturing then it means that new products are coming much slower pace to the market. Nokia will sell still phones even though they have these N-series mobile computers and tablets. They have to drop something off and since this is mobile business and recession is growing so what will be the product that is giving them the best profit, I think it is still that old basic phone range that is on focus these days.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

I'm not sure about this. If demand is down, then production will likely decrease as well, but that doesn't necessarily imply that products will be delayed in entering the market. It may simply result in fewer of them produced, or that certain products are discontinued, etc. I suppose my point is, that I don't think we can say that the N900 will be late to market with only the news that Nokia will move production in-house.


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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Hmmm...

I'm not sure this discussion belongs in the Buy-and-Sell section of the site, as it's not a discussion about posting a classified regarding a NIT for sale (or to buy) -- which is the type of posts this section seems to hold en mass -- but a general discussion regarding the availability of the N8x0 in Canada.

How do we move it back? Should we?

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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

And now for some reverse polish logic... :)

How about that the cell phone market reached saturation before the recent economic down turn. That is, most of those that needed cell phones had cell phones. Growth came from new features and expanding markets like adding children to family plans, etc.

This last bit is what has contracted. Folks don't need a new iPhone to make a call. Their old phone works just fine for that. And junior is just going to have to walk home if he misses the dang bus again.

Future growth is going to come from these newer portable devices. Nokia would be foolish if it abandoned the market now. Others may be to late to catch up.

People like us have understood the need to receive email on our hand held devices for sometime now. In fact, that simple task may have been the motivation of some to explore the NIT's in the first place. We also realized the need to be able to respond from our devices to whatever those emails bring in the way of attachments. We know we may need large amounts of locally stored data or current information from the internet in order to make timely decisions that some of those email responses require.

We are but a small percentage of the total market. I like to think we are ahead of the curve as far as that market goes so it's growth is yet to come.

With the economic downturn time is of the essence for survival for many businesses. Turn around, lead, and response times to sales inquiries, manufacturing, and time to market will make and break some. Email on the handheld device will no longer be a luxury reserved for CEO's and upper management. Rather it may well be a necessity for more and more line level supervisors and small business owners. The ones who actually get things done anyway.

Believe it or not this "light bulb" is just going off over the heads of most companies as they respond to the downturn. When the do act on this new necessity I'm thinkin' like us, they will find that a GPRS connection viewed from a 2" cell phone screen ain't gonna cut it. :eek:

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

How about we leave it alone and when more info about Canada sales becomes available it will be added to this active thread. :)

On that note I find it curious that as I recall. Canada was one of the last markets to get the N8**'s back in the day,.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

This is precisely what I was thinking.

The coming (and existing) technologies like WAN, widespread VOIP, and all-data plans, hint at the need for pocket-able devices like the NIT line. A new class of internet-aware devices with similar capabilities as the average home-computer.

Nokia has a very mature product (the NIT) ready to exploit this market and as such is one-step ahead of its competitors which are entering with far less mature products. A quick comparison of the NIT to any of the announced MIDs shows its superiority. This is especially true when you factor Maemo (a mature portable OS) and considering that most MIDs seem to haphazardly throw full-desktop environments onto their mobile-screens. The NIT seems to be the only example of the MID done right.

Maemo itself, is also a very interestingly positioned technology. Not only is it open, but also is a mobile environment only one-step removed from the desktop. Many apps are ported easily (or so it seems), and it almost ensures that these same apps can be just as easily ported beyond the NIT with very little effort. They are in a sense, future-proof. Can the same be said about the BB, iphone, or pre environments, with their proprietary APIs?

That said, I agree it would be a step backwards to give-up on this line, considering at this point they have a solid product that's well positioned and ready for a fast approaching future market.



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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

I wonder if the fact that there's a Canadian on the Community Council this time will have an impact on availability of the new devices? I promise to make a big big stink if they overlook us again :)

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Give. 'em. Hell.

:D



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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Awesome! While you're at it, can you plead for them to give us all a N810WE?! I'd love to see if it works on the existing Inukshuk network here!!

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

EIPI: I don't think it would. There's another thread where this is discussed, doesn't look like the "Portable Internet," or whatever the specific carrier in your market is calling it, is real WiMax. But I'd love to try anyway, too.

I just wish Nokia could use their big muscles to make Rogers give us a reasonable 3G data plan.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Sadly, it's true. The 'Wimax' that Bell/Rogers is peddling really isn't wimax at all, and certainly isn't 802.16e (mobile wimax). This means that any proper wimax device (like the N810wme) will not work on this network.

I recall that Primus was testing mobile Wimax in Hamilton (south west of Toronto) some years back, and had the city blanketed. However, I've not heard anything on this since. If they still are testing, it would be neat to try an N810wme on the service.

It's sad how the mighty have fallen. Canada was once revered for its telecom, and now has slipped into the-big-book-of-what-not-to-do. Here's hoping for better times ahead!


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Capt'n ...

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

@qole: Yeah, I am pretty sure it doesn't work in Canada. It had so much potential, didn't it... <sigh>

@Capt'n Corrupt: I believe that Primus is still testing their WiMAX in Hamilton. They were supposed to have a trial in Toronto also, but I could never get any info from them on that trial. I phoned them a few times in the past year about it.

Alas, Even venerable Apple could not get Rogers to offer a decent data plan when the iPhone 3G debuted here last summer. It was only after public uproar that they offered a limited time offer for $30/6GB. As it goes today, you are looking at $30/1GB or $60/3GB ...

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

@EIPI
I do hope something comes of the PRIMUS wimax tests. There have been whispers in the news that devices are going to have combination LTE/Wimax chips, and Wimax seems like a tech far more open to competition (I could be very wrong about this).

Sadly, that $30 for 1GB deal from rogers actually ends up being something more like $72 after all of the charges are added in. In anticipation of an N810, I stopped in a rogers store and had a sales rep run down the options for tethering a device to a phone which is where this number comes from. It assumes that you get rogers lowest plan, and purchase the phone yourself.

The price is lower for the USB dongle data-plan, but I'm not sure if you're tied to using the dongle for this service or if you can activate your own device. Knowing rogers, something tells me that the customer is restricted to the dongle, which would make this less than ideal for an HSPA enabled tablet. Of course, my intuition could be wrong.

Either way, it's still extremely expensive, which is why I'd love to see widespread wimax from added service providers. More competition means saner prices.



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Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Actually, Nokia dwarfs Apple in sheer size, they would have considerable clout...

I find it somewhat sad that I'll be (hopefully!) getting this amazing new device later this year, and I won't be able to use it the way it was designed, because I'm not giving into Godfather Rogers and his Mobile Mafia.

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

I thought I'd seen somewhere the other day that Bell or Telus had a really good rate for their USB dongle data plans... which is what we're looking for in terms of the new device as far as I understand, since the USB dongles act as data only devices, one assumes that a tablet which supposedly won't have any voice capabilities would fall into the same category (this is different from things like the iPhone where you're looking for voice + data capabilities). I could be wrong, but I thought the USB sticks were just data devices with a SIM card in 'em, so by that right hopefully you could just get one from whoever, pull the sim out of it and slap it into the new Nokia... I know it'll never be that easy, but one can dream...

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

It is that easy, the problem is that Bell and Telus are cdma and not gsm, and I assume the Maemo 5 devices are gsm, requiring a SIM.... Am I in left field here?

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Maybe not... (I just saw this.)

The last time I was out your way was about 3 years ago. I had my Nextel iDEN handset and had coverage from VC to Kamloops and it picked up again in Jasper all the way out to Rainbow Lake.
If I made a voice call I got charged whatever the Telus/MiKE agreement with Nextel was. However just like in the states, I could access the internet with the phones browser all day and not be charged anything...

This was before I had my N800. Now I BT tether to my phone and again, no charge for usage. The connection is slow @ 19.2 but it works well for my needs. >> http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=14059

Now I'm thinkin' Boost mobile uses the same network and technology. I would buy one of >>these<< @ only $59 (real dollars :p ) and give it a try. If it doesn't work you could sell it on e-bay for a $10 loss...

If it does work, you'd be rockin' dude. :)

Re: No more N800 or N810 in Canada? D:
 

Just stumbled on something interesting. It looks like you can buy a brand new N800 for a little over $300 at TigerDirect.ca... No, that's not a great price, but still, it is a brand new N800!

EDIT: Expansys.ca has N810s for a not-spectacular price ($317), too: N810 at expansys.ca