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I honestly can't find a single point that had any relevence to the quoted text, and I'm really trying to figure it out. I'm not seeing an 'us vs. them' attitude at all, merely 'him vs. you'; so unless you feel you somehow speak for a larger audience I really can't make sense of it. Where are you reading rage into his post?

Baffling, truly.

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Robb, c'mon, admit it, you're nothing more than a cherry picking button pusher. You try to manufacture negative emotions from people for sport. And that's the subtle difference between you and me: I didn't create Omega's frustrations, though it would be difficult to deny that I didn't feed off of them. But here's the kicker: I believe Omega to be an accidental troll; you sir, on the other hand, are the quintessential troll. You go girl. And thanks for the blood boil.

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Ah, the joys of Blazer. I have the fond memories of "Flushing the DbCache" before using it, so it wouldn't lock up the whole system. :eek: And some people think MicroB is crap, Ha.

I could never get the Eudora applications working on my OS5 device, but did try. I ended up trying every single browser out there, Access's NetFront, WebPro, Universe 3, and some one that started with X, the exact name escapes me. None of them were better than Blazer, which although unbelievable, is the God's honest truth.

Are you familiar with either of the forums 1src or Brighthand? I was an active member on both (1000+ posts on each), but moved here after I ditched my TX (actually it ditched me, it ended up getting "dead spots" on the screen). I replaced the TX 6 times in 2 years (all under warranty, yes, Palm hated me), for various reasons. The big three being Digitizer Drift, Dead Spots, and ROM Corruption.

So when I hear people (like omega) complain about the N800, 'cause it's a little slow, well, that's actually quite laughable.

Ah, why don't you clone? That is like having two devices. I do all my crazy stuff on my SD partition, and if there's ever a problem, I can always fallback to my prestine Flash partition.

With this setup, I've reflashed 3 times: When I first got the device, to upgrade from OS2007 to OS2008, then again to upgrade to Diablo, then again when I sent it to Nokia for it to be repaired (bad LCD module).

All three were completely voluntarily. :)

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I have to say that, having reflashed my tablet several times in the last few months, it gets easier and easier every time. Most of the apps I want are in Extras now, with much less hunting through gronmayer, obscure websites, and forum posts necessary.

And also, a good fresh flash makes everything work better again. Especially if you don't use the backup and restore function. Copy your documents to the SD card, flash the tablet, and then install everything fresh.

I was surprised at how much cruft had built up.

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Unless my email, bookmarks, updates to my contact list, etc. were kept in sync across both instances, then I can't see much advantage. When I'd "fallback", I'd need to restore a backup anyway. At that point I'm well into the time it takes to reflash and restore.

I do appreciate that. I'm quite thankful for Extras.

I've been carrying my data forward via backup and restore since I first got my N800. Others have had massive problems due to this somehow, but I haven't seen any of that on my tablets.

It's not for documents though. I have few of those, and what I have are on my cards already. I backup and restore to keep my bookmarks, email, contacts, and account settings. I hate setting all my email and IM accounts, and I never want to have to suffer through merging my contacts together again.

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Bookmarks: delicious.com
IM contacts: Downloaded from server when account is set up
E-Mail contacts: Don't know, don't keep them on my tablet

Entering usernames and passwords a few times isn't too big a deal, though.

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Why do you need email, bookmarks, and contacts on your experimental/testing partition? ;)

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I use it, though I'm not overly fond of it. Bookmarks aren't a main driver for backing up, really. I like to have my frequently used sites in the bookmarks menu on my tablet because it takes longer to type in URLs than it does on my desktop, but I could rebuild the list quickly if I had to.

Yes, but when many of my family and friends have six or eight IM accounts each, it's too hard to keep track of who is who without merging them together under meaningful names.

I hates re-figuring out which IM names match which people, and I hates the tedious process of merging them on the tablet.

Yes, tracking down the server settings for each of my email accounts and whatnot isn't horrible, but it's time I could better use doing something else.

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Ah, I see where you were going. To me, that's like shutting down a production server to boot into a test/development partition though. Sure, it lessens the chance of damage to the production data, but it's taking production off-line for the duration.

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The only useful view in my tablet contacts screen is "Online". If they aren't online, I don't want to see them :)

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I wonder if you could use qole's chroot scripts to chroot into the partition without shutting down...

I haven't seen qole's latest work (I've got an older version of Easy-debian installed, but it's working great so haven't upgraded) but might that work? I know from the scripts I use that the mount -o bind /home/user/ line would need to be adjusted, but other than that...

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You missed my point.

Many of my contacts have six, eight, or more AIM accounts. New accounts are created regularly and old accounts discarded. As a rule, the account names have nothing to with the real names of the individuals behind them, and the users switch their active accounts--several times a day--depending upon where they are who they want to know they are online.

I don't want to sit staring at my "Online" list trying to remember if a given account is Teresa at work chatting with customers or Heather at home, only visible to family. I just want to know if the person to whom I want to communicate is online. Hence the need for account merging.

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Wow. That's ... erm... quite something.

No wonder I didn't understand. My contacts have had the same accounts for years, and if they have multiple accounts, I'm always relegated to the "I don't want him to know I'm online, EVER" category. :)

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umm... please chastise me if i'm incorrect, but it seems to me that the last several posts should constitute a new thread.

(i'm sick of this "useless" title)

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Probably, but this site has a history of threads growing organically. Until very recently, the site had one moderator, its admin, Reggie. I don't recall him ever splitting a thread, he only merged threads when it was to move his front page announcements into existing threads of the same topic, and he only closed threads on exceedingly rare occasions for the most grievous of personal attacks.

We're not used to rigorously maintaining threads.

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I have never respected the "original purpose" of troll threads. They've always been a place to goof around, trash talk, and make small talk.

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i stand corrected.

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it's a beautiful thing, sort of like a nature reserve. except, people are allowed to bring whatever they want INTO the park and leave it there. like litter... or rabid wolves... or rings of power. which isn't always a beautiful thing. i mean, that stuff can really screw up a fragile ecosystem. but ITT isn't a fragile ecosystem, from what i've seen, so it works.

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Rrriiiings, rrriiings... Oh, I miss Kingdom O' Magic. The good old fashioned traditional quest...

# The Good, Old Fashioned, Traditional Quest - "Here you and you alone must travel the length and girth of the Kingdom, battling monsters, righting wrongs and lowering property value wherever you go, until you can finally rescue the dragon, steal the princess and kill the treasure!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_O%27_Magic

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Eh whatever.

I guess by all your standards the device works. I don't think it's broken, just too big for it's own shoes. Even when the device first came out.

Here's hoping another *can* find use in mine, I still think some of you guys should have posting suspended for some of the things you said about me.

But I guess your circle-jerking is a true testament to how corrupted with ignorance a community can become. Bravo regulars and your carte-blanche permission to hate on your terms.

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Hey Alex! Nice to see you again.

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There is no room on a forum, or heck in life, for hateful comments because you don't think a gadget is useful and I do.

I didn't read the whole thread (first 2 pages and last 4), but I thought some of the comments were a bit out-of-line. If you are offended by a overly hateful comment, feel free to report it.

That goes for everyone.

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bravo, indeed.

i've enjoyed it thoroughly.

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i was especially offended by omega's 'circle-jerk' comment in his last post.

i have a cousin who died in a circle-jerking accident in 2004.

it's no laughing matter...words hurt.

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Well, it works for me. I find new and useful things to do with the tablet every day (okay, that's hyperbole, but let's just say "with regularity"). For example, just this weekend I installed qole's easy-debian (which was painless for even a linux noob such as myself), and I now have open office that fits in my pocket.

Sure, "jack of all trades and master of none" is a fair description of the N800/N810. It's also quite a bit slower than a full-fledged home computer/office workstation. So, the device is not for everyone, but there are a lot of people (like myself) who are willing to accept a tradeoff in performance for pocketability.

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we could do something together to calm down. something creative. something that's far away from tablets and their usefulness. we can all be friends. after fights and words of violence, we'll make up with each other, the the way old friends do. - oh, I feel a song coming up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REin1BuqiZk
Each of us could sing & record it and pass the file around for the others to join in... wouldn't that be so wonderully 1970s? (or maybe the council members could do an ABBA-parody in Amsterdam.... I'd love to see the costumes. ;) and i wonder who would be agnetha and frida...)

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Yeah, way to take responsibility for your actions. You start a thread with the title "N810 is totally useless" and throw around phrases like "who can be the biggest dick" and "circle-jerking." And then when you don't get the response you were hoping for, you pull the ripcord and suggest that people should be censored? I'm not really sure things should work that way.

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Now that's a pop band. Purple silk, glitter, and an accordian.

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@qole: don't try to talk yourself out of it. get that glitter-costume and hope you'll find an accordion, too, otherwise you'll be agnetha. :D

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"biggest dick" ?
"circle jerking" ?

i'm beginning to think that omega has the wrong forum entirely.

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Your high standards should lead you comfortably into an ipod touch, where you can sneer at the philistines who actually educate themselves about a purchase before making, and where improvements can lead the device down an 'unadvertised' path. The community there will welcome you with open arms, and you can chortle knowingly with the rabid community about how we can't possibly know what we want to use a computer for since Steve didn't tell us.

And I think you should stop pissing and moaning, but that's probably not going to happen. I've enjoyed your myopic view of how wrongly you've been treated, all the while flinging insults and silently hoping some mod would come in and cradle you. With your unrealistic expectations of both computing hardware and interpersonal communication, it's a wonder you don't run for office. I bet you're a blast in person.

We don't hate everyone. We don't even hate newbies. We hate idiots a little, but a little effort on their part and we'll welcome them with open arms. It's only for the idiots who clearly wish to remain idiots that we begin the circle-jerk. Stand in the middle and be amazed.

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Everything I've said is both true and accurate.

"With your unrealistic expectations of both computing hardware and interpersonal communication, it's a wonder you don't run for office."

Where does anyone expect a statement like that to get them?

"circle jerk" is not nearly as damning as a directed insult or hateful personal speculation.

"biggest dick" is exactly that and I said it to call out what was amongst some of the first responses to my thread. Before even my second entry in this thread.

Stop being so creative and having a - yes - circle jerk about it. I'm seeing here the most typical kind of internet bullying. Most of the hecklers here fit the stereotype perfectly.

I challenge everyone here to prove that I was rude first, you'll find that I wasn't. I simply stated the truth in a way none of you appear capable of handling it.

You know what they say about people who fling accusations as wildly as most people here have. The most profound I've seen so far is the pedantic armchair psychology. Especially when we're talking about "buyer's remorse".

People here appear to have formed a xenophobic support group around it. If all of you put as much effort into admitting you're wrong as you do misconstruing what I say inventing reasons to call it all an insult, this thread would float down.

The desperation in this feeding frenzy speaks volumes.

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the entire notion of your original post is comparable to visiting a McDonald's message board and stating that

"Big Macs suck because they don't come as big and juicy as they appear on the menu board..."

EDIT:
the only difference is that a big mac doesnt have a 15 day return policy.

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Yes. A $400 big mac. A $400 big mac that comes in a box saying it can do things that it practically can't. Even when compared to larger or equivalent devices in the same price range!

The hecklers will say "Well then why did you buy it?!"

The answer to that is: Because I never buy something with the goal of being disappointed. The mere suggestion of that is kind of absurd. I simply have reasonable standards of responsiveness that most here don't.

I can't believe the culture of mediocrity everybody here forces on themselves.

There's a gigantic difference between doing something and doing something in a practical and useful way. This is called suitability for purpose, something the N810 by box definition and sheer price alone cannot fulfill.

Eat your mud, but don't get so upset because I don't want to eat it too. Nobody here has grounds to say I'm wrong - at all. $400 tempered by marketing says I decide the expectations, not you.

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I would generally expect a person so well versed in psychology to know that the first statement of yours that I quoted above is very problematic.

If one makes a statement in such a way that no one in the audience can understand, comprehend, or otherwise "handle", then it's highly unlikely that the error is with the audience. It is possible, but highly unlikely. More likely is that the one delivering the statement is in error.

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did you buy it from a flea market?

if not, there was a return policy.

i know when my 810 comes, i'm gonna use the <poop> out of it to see if i like it.

if not, then guess what? its goin back!

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Practically failing is succeeding, so Internet Tablets succeed at the tasks their packaging claims they can accomplish, but they don't succeed by a wide enough margin?

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Why don't you answer that question in detail?

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No, it's not.

And you haven't asked yourself that question from your first post? And, even after selling the device and having nothing more to contribute, you're still here posting irrelevancies and insults.

Gradients of scale in egregiousness with regard to insults is hardly universal.

And you feel justified in making it? You aren't drawing parallels here? And still can't understand why I'm being a "dick?"

I'm still really enjoying you attitude of blamelessness and look forward to a continued discussion on a board devoted to a device you no longer own.

So you didn't intend to be rude, but a large proportion of those reading it feel it was. But it isn't your lack of communication skills, it's everyone else's fault. It reminds me of the media rational immediately following 9/11: "They hate us for our freedoms." Both attitudes reflect an almost pathological inability to see any point of view but your own.

er...ok

The experiences of many new users to this forum flies in direct contradiction to your statement. To state it more plainly, the difference is you.

Your continued need to exact an apology or admission of guilt from any person on this board is really amazing.

It does, but you don't seem to be hearing it.

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Omega I've seen plenty of helpful posts in this thread with people asking you questions about your n810's problems and trying to help you fix them. Why do you only read and reply to the "offensive" posts? And if nobody else finds their internet tablets nearly as unresponsive as yours and with any gps problems why do you insist "all n810's are defective by design"? You expect everyone here to just agree with that statement?