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It's called a delusion:
1.) A false personal belief that is not subject to reason or contradictory evidence and is not explained by a person's usual cultural and religious concepts (so that, for example, it is not an article of faith)
2.) A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts; The state of being deluded or misled; That which is falsely or delusively believed or propagated; false belief; error in belief

Reference: See my last post.

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For me, this tells your whole story. You own(ed) an exceptional gadget and you never really knew it. Well, most of us like and know what we have, and most of us know what our devices can and can't do. So, here we'll be wallowing in our mediocrity. Please send us a postcard from perfection.

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LOL

More speculation. More denial.

You guys are all well practiced hecklers and trolls.

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Edit: I'll be nice.

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Thank you. :) I'm not above stooping to your level.

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Omega...I admit that there are some on this forum who, in my opinion, will criticize and attack anyone stating a negative opinion about the Nokia tablets...but you really have brought this on yourself.

There have been several posts where members have asked you questions trying to help you out. All you do is vent your spleen at everyone here.

I know next to nothing about Linux, but have received help from many members here (both in response to my requests for help and just by reading). We all, to varying degrees, believe that the tablet is a great device.

I notice that you are viewing this thread now (and have been for the last 5 minutes or so)...if this is not your cup of tea, then just let it go. You can go back to thinking we are all a bunch of idiots and we can go back to enjoying the amazing functionality of the Nokia tablets.

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Topic change: Everything's Amazing, nobody's happy.

Did every take a moment to watch the video I posted several pages back? It's not just funny. It's very true.

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I like pie.

Tim

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I did, really enjoyed it.

Honestly, I think part of it comes from the complexity of it. Neal Stephenson in his book "In the Beginning was the Command Line" uses the difference between taxi service in New York and Egypt. It's a great read if you get a minute. What I'm trying to say is, patience arises from understanding. 100 years ago, the most technical concepts were largely able to be understood by everyone. Today it's a little different. Even common terms like 'theory' aren't fully understood by a significant portion of society, resulting in debates about the validity of Evolution.

Anyway, it was a great link.

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It's sad that you're not taking this opportunity to learn something. What exactly do you think you know that this community as a collective (IRC #maemo and maemo.org inclusive) doesn't already know about Nokia tablets? Don't bother, I'll answer that one: nothing. So what exactly has been your point? Again, read your title. This has been nothing but a car wreck from your first words. The exception is that the cops let the rubber-neckers get out and take a look. And some of us are still just sittin' here waitin' for the ambulance to show up.

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Sweeping generalization.

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fun fact: i share my birthday with johnny appleseed!

(but he's not invited to my bday party [see tags])

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http://www.truveo.com/Jim-Gaffigan-%.../id/2925977195
"Pie is like liquid cake."

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That sounds very Jeffersonian. He was a strong believer in the idea that anything was learnable by anyone and that specialties (and the terms they use) are created by the professionals as a sort of job security and self validation. Until then, there was no required set of basic sciences or clinic training to become a doctor. Most schools only required a 3 month apprenticeship with a physician and no one actually cared if they showed up to work with the physician during those 3 months.

It's an interesting theory, regardless of one's opinion of the specifics.

Edit: I don't think I made any sense... I agree with you. Also, I was trying to say that the idealogy that everything is learnable has often been attributed as a Jeffersonian theory. It really caught on and was a main tenent of industrialized nations (especially the US) until about the end of the 19th century (like you said, about a hundred years ago). Then, to use my own career as a reference, people realized they might prefer their doctor to know more than the average person and wanted that person to have devoted a significant portion of their life into studying and perfecting the art of medicine (or whatever other profession they had chosen). It wasn't until around 1890 that Harvard made the revolutionairy step of requiring that doctors go to school and learn basic science for a minimum of 10 months. No one liked that idea and their enrollment suffered heavily for the next 10 years. That's right...you could once become a doctor at harvard in 10 months.<--wish I could have got on that boat!

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I'd largely agree with it. The only variations when it comes to mental capabilities IMO are aptitude and desire. So someone wanting to learn advanced physics certainly can, but it may take one person longer than another to grasp the concepts.

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You got my attention with that, daperl, because that's not my intention or my desire. If that's really the impression you get from reading what I've written, then I'm as inept at communicating as Omega is.

I hope people will give some thought to what I've written. I hope it's worthy of thought. But I'd prefer that they be able to consider it calmly and reflectivelty. So no, I most certainly do not want to push your buttons and make you angry.

Sorry I'm so late in replying, but I've had a busy day away from ITT, and I'm not enough of an enthusiast to find the time to carry on involved conversations or debates here. There's more that I'd like to say, but I'm obviously not saying it well enough to be understood, or perhaps it's not important enough to be heard. This thread has moved on in several directions, some of which have turned out to be amusing, and I'll bow out.

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No need. Join in. Simple differences of opinion need not alienate you from frivolity.

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havn't touched my n810 in almost 2 years. pidgin is buggin the hell out, amsn doesn't want to work for me. and I cant seem to get msn working through googlechat thingy. oh and canola doesn't want to work for me either.

initially, before the honeymoon period wore of, everything was pretty exciting. I loved going through, adding progs, checking out the marmo site. adding repos, going into red pil / blue pill mode. having a program not working, and then going in and finding a new way to get it to work, login in as admin. etc

but now, honestly, I just need **** that works. seems as thought EVERYTHING is in beta stage, everything is a work in progress. I mean, I knew what I was gettiing into. and at the beginning I raved about how amazing this thing was. what I wanted the most is, a working, clean, fast MSN. and the ability to play roms and videos. for whatever reason gngeo freezes when I try and load a rom. and any msn I try and install doesnt want to work either.

simply put, if you want someone that just "works" as well as, lets say, installing apps works, as easy as it is on the iphone. search, click, install. skip it. but if you want to go on an epic adventure finding ways around bugs, updates, fixes and patches everytime you want to install a useful ap. this is perfect for you.

it is true though, what this guy is saying. people are quick to jump on whoever shittalks the n810. but to be honest. I see the n810 dying a slow death. I wish the n900 was here.

If I spent time, reflashing, and reinstalling apps, I'm sure I could get things working. however, I'm unable to even do a backup without my system freezing.....

I should pay someone to fix/install everything...

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@kingka

the difference is, you actually seem like you would accept help.

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Well, you can be your own judge. But as I mentioned before, I found your oversimplifications innacurate and misleading.

Cheers

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In response to the concept of "just works". Just works is one of those irritating terms that people often use. To me it depends on how far narrow-band on broad-band you go.

For example, just-works can be applied to any ecosystem (Windows, Linux, OSX). Take the default unit, use whatever defaults are given to you. Given those rules, most systems will just work unless the system is designed to be on the bleeding edge (Fedora or Debian). Similarly, Maemo just works in this case. If you stick to the defaults (like extras) then you shouldn't have many problems at all. It's when you start adding repos that you introduce problems.

The iPhone is commonly seen as something that 'just-works' and indeed it's true if your sticking to Apple's rules. But even then not all software you install just works. And if you want to go against what Apple has said (perhaps to install an application that Apple has rejected) then your introducing problems that may or may not cause problems.

So just-works is something each user defines. For myself, my computers go through periods of where things just-works, then periods of things just-not working (my girlfriend gets annoyed at these times), and back to periods of just-working again.

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I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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Right on!

If a thread posts a simple question that received a simple answer or the consensus of the board is that the threads "original purpose" was counter productive, I concur.


This makes for some good entertainment. Especially when the OP and a first responder continue the argument...

>>Example<<

and

>>Example<<


I must admit I made an extra large bowl of popcorn and have enjoyed reading this thread...

I also found it educational and have now added useful terms like "Circle Jerk" to my vocabulary. :)

Keeping threads like this open also allows us to learn more about one another. For instance...

and


I'm sure we are all better people for knowing these things. :)

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One thing that I don't get in this whole discussion about talking boxes ("what the box said") and things that "just work" is : compared to what?

I mean, did the OP have a dream of some future device? Are his expectations the same that he has for his desktop computer or laptop? Is he comparing it to another device that may do some things better but can't do all the things a tablet can?

I think it is all relative to the task at hand.

If you use a gun to kill something you first have to first find the right size ammunition and load it correctly. A knife on the other hand... just works.

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LOL, I'm on metaphor overload.

The most I've heard is "no ur dumb" or "no, you!"

Nobody has proven me wrong *factually*. Reason being is that there's a landslide of third party opinion waiting for us all to prove me right. It's just the entrenched users here who fail to understand I called the device out on it's weaknesses.

...just like countless others have. Even in this thread too!

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Oh I agree that the nx00 devices have their weaknesses. Every mobile device has some weakness that can be pointed out. It's just that the one's you pointed out other people don't seem to share.

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Wow, this should be easier than 9th grade geometry.

If able to surf internet on n810
then n810 != totally useless

Okay, you're wrong. Now what?

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"It's" is a contraction, short for "it is." So this reads, "I called the device out on it is weaknesses."

"Its" is a possessive pronoun, as in "that which belongs to it" where "it" in this case is the device.

"It's" is often incorrectly used where "its" should be used since its ("it's") contraction of "it is" is not possessive.

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I'm glad you are having fun. I know I am.

BTW: Did your dream about "talking boxes" look anything like >>THIS<<

Just wondering. :)

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It has been my experience that members of this board have gone out of there way in the past to answer questions. Even ones that have been asked and answered many times before.

In your first post you seem to be asking for help, not challenging the general membership to prove you wrong.

To me ^this reads as if you believe that anyone who is satisfied is somehow deluded. Or with this statement , members are somehow withholding valuable information from you. :eek:

Perhaps if you explained or provided a few links to examples, you may have gotten a positive response or two.

Just sayin'

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"John's house" is proper. "It's weaknesses" seems to make sense, except that it is not correct due to the irrationality of the English language. I personally use "it's" as the possessive in protest of the a fore mentioned irrationality. This guy gives you plenty of fodder, there is no need to go anal retentive over the grammatical irregularities of the language!

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I would, and I have. the canola dev team helped me out when I had issues. suck a wicked app. its brilliant. slow as hell to load, like everything else though. but that has since stopped working. I've had several issues with the program. I think I had run to them with issues about 4 times. each time they looked into it and helped me out, im just a little fed up, since I hardly watch vids on the thing anymore. and its still to big for taking to the gym, and to clunky to use as an all around mp3 player, I gave up asking around for help.

the gngeo guy helped me fix my initial issues with the program. but has since stopped wanting to help me. I realize people have lives. and this is not what they do 9-5. but we all rely on programs like this for the n810. and of course its selfish to expect to have someone around who is willing to help you when you need. but I'm constantly running back, trying to search for answers on the best way to install, upgrade this way, no... upgrade that way. etc. dunno if this even makes sense, but the n810 it self feels like a "beta" product to me now. any comments you have about any program. people will jump on you,...DUDE.. CAN'T YOU READ? ITS A ****IN BETA RELEASE.

I guess I'm passed that stage where I have the time to have to research work arounds are go through endless useless apps and games, trying to find something useful. and I now just need something that's pretty and works as shallow as it sounds. the n810 is like an ugly chick with a wicked personality, and if you stay with her in a longterm commited relationship you may start to find her more and more attractive, especialy after you find out what makes her tick and how to make her laugh. but I dont have that much time to invest in such a relationship... I'm looking for a hot girl that puts out after a couple of drinks.

also, what bothers me a bit is how numerous offers have been made to improve the quality of apps and games by people who are actually qualified UI designers, digital illustrators and graphic designers to collaborate on projects, but seemingly have been rejected. I know I'm not the only one who feels like 90% of what is available for the n810 seems like an after school project. and the funny thing is.... probably 60% of them ARE after school projects. not a big deal, I guess. Canola is on the right track in terms of quality of visual design and information architecture. I wish I could see more collaborations tis all.

meh....

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I'm not sure you're in the same discussion. You appear to have deliberately misinterpreted my point so that you can talk about something else.

Seems like the hecklers aren't that bright either.

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completely agree with you. I dont think people are saying they want the n810 to "just work" in terms of having a working msn prinstalled. an amazing vid/audio prog, or whatever. I think people just hate having to jump through hoops to get a simple application like msn on there. seriously though, I knew nothing about Linux going in to this, im amazed at how much I've done with the n810 trying to upgrade, install and whatever, proud of myself for being able to learn all that, but LOLing at the fact that I actually had to do all that.

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@kingka

seems to me that your problem is not with the device at all, but with the development community... (wish i could quote properly on this thing)

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Omega: daperl was saying that you were factually wrong when you wrote the title for the thread. "N810 is totally useless" could be either interpreted literally (which is what daperl did, since you said no one had proved you wrong factually), or it could be interpreted as a hyperbolic statement, in which case, you were just trolling. If you were just trolling, then we could say that nobody has proven you wrong factually because you haven't been writing anything factually.

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Stop it! Now! :)

For Christ's sake! (Or would that be "Christs"?)

As somebody who learned English at school in a German speaking country...
As somebody who still doesn't know when to say "I listend", "I have listend" or "I have been listening"...
As somebody who has to look up at least one word in each paragraph in the dictionary...
As somebody who gets confused at, over and even about prepositions...
As somebody who constantly mixes American, British and wrong spelling within one sentence...

... I can only say: Don't add to the confusion by throwing in mistakes "in protest". How are we supposed to learn this language? Ever? :rolleyes:

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Why would you be sure? The obvious usually escapes people that are being nonsensical. Happens to me all the time.

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You aren't. We can't afford to let non-native speakers become too fluent; that would endanger our world domination.*

*Canadians are the secret rulers of the world, you know

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Canadians? Wouldn't that be French and English then in order to endanger your world domination? :D

I tried to learn French. Really. 4 years. Nothing left. The only thing I can read, understand and answer (by clicking correctly) is:

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The problem with your protest is that the exception for some possessive nouns that end with 's' is to put the apostrophe at the end. So, the possessive its would be its' because of the conflict with the contraction. But somebody must have thought that that was stupid so they dropped it.

Or was that too anal for ya?

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Well, you'll have to talk to the Quebecois about that. Many of them feel that L'Anglais are suppressing them too, and they've even tried to separate. They almost did, too.

It's ... Its ... Its' ... It is easy for me to forget the Francophones. I live about 3550 kms from Quebec.