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Windows Update?

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restricts that are places on you by apple. there is a way around it obviously by jailbreaking. and I hate itunes.. again, there is a way around that to. I guess I've just been anti apple for so long for whatever reasons that I'm making up excuses not to get one.

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" Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Honestly, I've found that Windows doesn't "just-work" for me. Before I switched to using Linux for most of my stuff I was a Windows person. For it to do what I wanted, I had to hack around with the system way to much (occasionally messing it up) and having to reinstall (didn't know how to restore an image succesfully yet)."

I don't know if id consider installing a windows update hacking around. just like I don't consider the system updates for the n810 hacking around. how often did you have to do that?

I think windows update is a minor inconvenience compared to what people go through getting things to work and not having things work etc.

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Fair enough.

I'm not sure what he was doing either. My comment was largely TIC.

I'm not following your question. Installing system updates for the n810? Hacking around (in Windows or Linux)?

You have to admit that's going to depend entirely on what you're used to. Having moved from Vista to Linux entirely over a year ago, the tablet was significantly easier for me than my previous experiences with WinMo.

At any rate, the point of my comment was that Windows Update is a large reason people have to go through getting things to work and not having things work.

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Damn it. This thread has gotten sooo long in such a short time. Really having issue with following everything here, especially when some posts are OT.

Did anyone manage to come up with a list of stuff/features/functions which the NIT really shines (OTS, off the shelf)?

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Why do you need someone else to make a list for you? What I think makes the NIT really shine, you might think is useless.

Make your own list. That way, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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Because other people's opinions and experiences may open up new doors for me (and possibly others reading this thread), and may show uncharted territories. One's experience can only be so finite/limited.

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Opinions are just that - opinions. If someone were to create your list for you, it's a pretty safe bet that the very next post would tear it to shreds.

Look, this thing (770, N8x0) is a computer. Not quite a specialized as a PDA, or a GPS, or a PMP. Not quite as general-purpose as a desktop. Within those parameters, you are free to do with it whatever your imagination can come up with.

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You're getting this all wrong. I'm not asking people about "tell me how I should use my NIT"...it's not "for" me.

Let's interpret this "Did anyone manage to come up with a list of stuff/features/functions which the NIT really shines (OTS, off the shelf)?"

1. It's a question.
2. Requesting information on stuff / features / functions of NIT.
3. Information from Point 2 has to be supplied from another person.
4. Information from Point 2 requires comparison with technological feasibility of today (rather than from a wish-list) to determine if a particular stuff/feature/function is relative better, poorer, no-better/no-worse or undetermined.

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Ok, I'll grant you that. So, re-read what I said, and make the appropriate "person" changes. If someone were to make a generic "the NITs are really good at xxxx" list, someone would follow-up with a "you're full of xxxx" response.

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haha...."you're full of xxxx" response...there's a lot of that going around...and not just in this forum.

People like to contradict, compare, challenge...etc others more than anything (or so it seems that way to me).

For me, having used it for 6 months or so, here's what I like about the N810:
1. Keypad/thumbpad (I wouldn't call it a keyboard as I can't touch type on it), I like the tactile feel.
2. Tablet screen. Sometimes, a tap here, a tap there is just easier than using a mouse cursor.
3. Weight, it's fairly decent given its physical profile.
4. Connectivity of bluetooth and wifi.

And here's what I don't like (meaning this could be done better, but not...that's how I see it):
1. It's not marketed as a PMP, yet Nokia came up with a video converter to convert videos for the N810. Great, right? Yes and no. By implementing a feature, or even just a possibility of a feature, people by nature will then have expectation or at least hold this against the amount of money that a particular product is sold at, and subsequently, compare this price with other products that can provide the same feature (let's exclude performance and quality for now). It's basically like opening a can of worms. In regards to PMP, the N810 plays videos, that have been converted, reasonably well. But it doesn't shine here for reasons such as video details, screen brightness, not seamless (i.e. convert? How would you like to convert your MP3s to ATRAC everytime you have a new song that you want to put on your portable music player?).

2. GPS: possibly the GPS that takes the longest time to get a location fix. Again, doesn't do well here. ...It just works...but does not work well. (marketed feature)

3. Internet browsing: It renders most pages....slowly. Works, but not well. (marketed feature) Not to mention that Nokia doesn't seem to be coming up with any browser performance enhancement update (webkit?)

...There's a list of points/features that the N810 can do, from the back of the packaging...and it does do every single one of them: Wifi internet access, Web 2.0 experience (try Facebooking), Adobe Flash 9 plugin (youtube?), Internet calling with a built-in camera (yeah, 5 frames per second?), GPS, music, videos...etc.

It's just not quite there yet to say it's a great all-in-one (it's not marketed to "replace" all those features of other devices...but then there's a question as to why would I buy it over other more capable products...and I suppose more expensive (combined prices) products). So basically, I'm saying, for those of us who purchased an NIT for the written-on-the-box features, we got ourselves a cheaper all-in-one product that does things, but not well. We're cheap. We didn't buy a standalone PMP, a standalone GPS, a standalone Chrome browser with Flash 10 Player....and ultimately settled for a device that is not great at any one particular task.

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Exactly. And, just so we're clear, I wasn't trying to minimize your request. I was just attempting to point out, through this limited text medium, how I think some things are useless to attempt.

(Slight rant: why not, everyone else is) I've owned a computer of one kind or another (TI-99, CoCo 2/3, Amiga, etc) for over 20 years. As you can see from the list, most were underdogs. Before the Intarwebs, there were BBSs, and the equivalent to these forums. In every one I've ever been a member of, there has been an "Omega".

Omega, if you're still wasting your time reading this, I want to say that I understand you are frustrated. What I've never understood is why people feel the need to complain to other users, those who have little to do with your plight. It's like walking into a biker bar and yelling "You bunch of pansies!" or something. Actually, I'm sure you started this thread fully intending to generate the responses you got. Well, it was entertaining.

I paid slightly less than $400 for my N800. I've never thought of it as a waste of money. I've been frustrated, sure, but I'm also frustrated with my ATI X1300 video card because Silent Hunter 4 has choppy graphics when I turn everything on.:)

My point is, if you're going to complain, complain to the ones who took your money. Even if they don't listen, you were no worse off than you are here...with the possible exception of the lasting impression you made with everyone here.
(rant off. Now, I feel much better :rolleyes:)

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Oops, I replied/edited more in the previous post.

With N97 and the NIT coming later on this year, I still have hope in Nokia that they'll produce a product that's worthy of being a NIT for the 2009 (plus futureproof for at least 18 months).

Hope Nokia will come up with a product that can do well in each of the areas, and earn its love from every single NIT user for one feature or another....and not just a half-*** attempt at throwing multiple features into one package.

You see, "adding features to a product" is relatively a simple task compare to "adding features to a product that can do well in each area". And really, does "throwing features at it", then calling it "one of a kind" really excuses it from "good/great/perfect"? Not in my book. As of now, buying a NIT is similar to asking yourself "one feature plus one feature equals 20% less useful (note "less", not "not")...can I handle the 20% handicap? ", and then telling yourself "Oh come on, get over it, it does "TWO" things"... I may be a perfectionist, but shouldn't we all ask for better things, have higher standards and expectations, as well as challenging the possibilities of what CAN BE done rather than settling for "it will do"?

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Registry tweaks to try to make it faster, turn off services I didn't want or didn't use. Editting the boot up screens and the themes (without installing any other software to do so for you which then means more patching of files). As for how it screwed up, Windows update. (but like I pointed out, that's a problem you'll face with almost every system, Apple, Linux, Windows)

There was something else I don't remember though that I didn't like about hacking around with Windows. I think it had to do with the different libraries.

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I LOVED bbs's.

something about ascii drawings and ansi animations over a 28.8 modem... ahh.

i ran 'the download spiral' for a year or two in jr high. it was nice because there were a select few who even knew you could use a computer to talk to another computer... now with the interweb, everyone thinks their a 'hacker'. yeesh.

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kingka: I can take a generic desktop computer and attempt to install Windows XP. Most of the time, XP will not have any of the drivers, including the network card drivers, so it will be dead in the water until you can find the CD that came with the motherboard or you get the drivers over the Internet on another computer and then bring them over on a CD or USB stick. Ubuntu just works, right off the install CD. I can also install Ubuntu to a USB key with no hassles. Try that with Windows.

Also, I have a working MSN account on my tablet (and ICQ, Google Talk, Gizmo, AIM, link local, etc), integrated into the tablet's built-in chat system. When someone sends me a message, I get a bloop and my LED blinks... Yes you have to hack around a bit, but that's because MSN doesn't come pre-installed. Quite a few people have managed to get it installed without too many headaches.

chatbox: The N8x0 plays MP3s and DivX videos as well as most of the inexpensive video PMPs out there. The difference is that they don't do anything else, while the N8x0s let you download and watch all your favorite Rick Astley videos from YouTube, stream Internet radio, etc, etc.

deeteroderdas: I was a sysop of a C64 BBS in the late 80s. Ah yes, back in the days when almost everyone in the forum was within the same telephone area code.

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In 1987, I ran a BBS on a Color Computer 3 (running OS/9, a *nix like operating system, multi-tasking, multi-user, based on OS9000 for Motorola 68000 CPUs). I managed to acquire an expansion chassis (originally for game carts), two RS232 carts, a floppy cart, a hard drive adapter cart (for RLL drives), and a 2400(!) modem. The BBS name was V***GER (from the Star Trek movie) because of the hacked up look of the system. When I switched to an Amiga2000 in 1988, one of the first apps I installed was a BBS package. I was the only non-IBM BBS (out of about a dozen) in San Angelo, TX. That was a blast! I really miss those times (but not the long-distance charges!).

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okay. It's completely unfair to bring back fond memories just to improve this thread's rating. I repeat, I will bring back my zx spectrum autodialer to life to teach a lesson everybody who thinks putting 5 stars onto this thread a good idea.

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attila77: Don't bring it to life! It may acquire sentience and build a myspace page!

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You can build a myspace page even without any sentience. :D

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oh... my good old atari 400

it was the best in those days....

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No, the Atari 400 was totally useless. You couldn't download anything from the repositories, the UI was sluggish, and forget trying to navigate anywhere using it!

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Heehee!:) !

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I remember the time when there were all these windows themes going around. I think I tried using one to change the startup/shutdown screen
which ended up screwing windows pretty hard.

but I mean, I don't see why anyone would want to mess with that stuff now anyway.

" Editting the boot up screens and the themes (without installing any other software to do so for you which then means more patching of files)."

thing about this point is, its not really necessary to mess with the windows themes. but it is necessary to follow endless steps on the n810 to get most of the programs you want working.

there is a way to change the boot up screen w/ the n810 as well. and change the themes. but that really has nothing to do with improving the performance of the tablet, or even getting things to actually work/install.

its the difference between "hacking around" out of necessity or "hacking around" for fun/cosmetic reasons

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... and it didn't have a cancel-button. right. maybe it wasn't all that great. ;)

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And that keyboard sucked. You could spill coffee on it though. 800 all the way. Although coffee would fry it.

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28.8 ?... I got started on a 1200 baud ISA card modem, then "upgraded" to a 2400 pocket external (all illegal US import, due to protectionist measures by our local monopoly at the time). My first (second-hand) 14.4 USR cost me an arm and a leg, but I couldn't believe the download speeds I was seeing at first. Not to mention the monthly bills, as even local calls were metered here...

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1200? Try 300 with a comm program that was max 40 characters per line. Talk about useless. 99.999% of all BBS were 80 characters. Okay, I'm exagerrating. 100%.

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i feel ya... my first modem was a 2400 on a packard bell 486/66 dx2 (i dont believe my c64 had a modem...), first upgrade was a 14.4 that i got FOR FREE cuz a friend upgraded to something else, super expensive (not sure what).

i had some kinda ameritech plan where you only paid 5cents for local calls, and there were a surprising number of BBSs in the 708.

(PS i got my laptop back! now if the n810 would come, life would be complete!)
(PPS what would anyone suggest be a version of linux to install on my laptop (dual boot) to get myself familiarized with it again? its been 10+ years easily since i used linux (redhat) and i want to be ready for the 810)

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Oh, ok, we're having that kind of a contest now.

40 characters? Try using a 300 baud modem running on a Vic-20 with 3.5k user RAM and a 22 character wide display.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oot_Screen.gif

Yay. I win.

EDIT: Jayonthabeat: install Ubuntu. That's your best bet for a "just-works" Linux. It also will get you used to the package system of the tablets.

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qole nailed it on the head. Nice thing with Ubuntu: even as one of the easiest distro's to get into, it sacrifices none of the power.

Can't go wrong.

edit: I wanted to mention installing and uninstalling software since it's applicable to both OS's. The most granular way to do so is at the terminal with the command 'sudo apt-get install <pkg_name>'. To remove an application, run the command 'sudo apt-get --purge autoremove <pkg_name>'. I mention it because a 'normal' remove will leave the config files in place and the dependencies installed, which is handy if you're going to install the app again, but otherwise takes up space. Unlike Windows with it's crufty registry, there shouldn't be a performance hit, but it's still useless crap just sitting in the file system.

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Sorry, but the contest was, "First person to show uselessness." So, I win with an "*" because Omega was actually first. Did you not get the memo?

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I win because nothing is more useless than egging the conversation on.

You all owe me an apology.

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I won't contest you. My first computer was a functional, but boring, IBM PC. My father was an IBM mainframe guy and wouldn't have anything less.

During high school I did set up, though never opened to others, a Wildcat BBS on a 386. As I didn't have much hard drive space on the 386, I hooked up my VTech Laser Turbo XT via Lantastic/Z to store part of the BBS on its 20 MB RLL drive.

I used the U.S. Robotics 2400 baud modem from that setup well into college, as the university's modem bank was all 2400 baud anyway. I loved that the modem had a Morse code mode. I never found a use for it, but I missed it on later modems never the less.

I still have an external U.S. Robotics V.Everything modem. It'll be upgradable to all those new, faster analogue modem standards that will come along. They promised, and you just wait. I wasn't rooked.

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argh, i had to restore from partition, vista :-/ ... i need to find my xp disc.

anywho, am i gonna hit any snags tryin to set it up to dual boot vista and ubuntu?

suggestions?

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No, but you must do Vista first. Ubuntu will take care of the rest. Just read carefully while you're doing the Ubuntu install.

EDIT:

For simplicity, maybe give each OS a little less than half the disk. Ubuntu is gonna wanna make a swap partition, so maybe save some disk space that is the size of your memory or larger.

Say you had a 500 GB hard disk with 1 GB of RAM. When Ubuntu is done partitioning you would have 3 partitions like this:

Vista: 249 GB
Ubuntu: 249 GB
linux swap: 1 GB

Something like that.

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Hey I'm a total linux newbie. If I wanted to use that command line to remove a certain program say canola, would I simply type "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove canola" or would the package name be something different?
If so, how would I find out what the package name is? Is there a way to list the different packages installed?

Thanks

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My first assignment in the military had one of these babies:
http://railroad-signaling.com/tty/tn_m28_jpg.jpg

Honkin', screamin', 75 baud!

Concur. Ubuntu (or Kubuntu, if you're a KDE fan) "just works".

Since we're waaaay OT, anyway....
 

got it installed, but i can't connect to my wifi network... it recognizes that the network is there, i enter the passphrase, but then it asks me for the passphrase again.

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apt-cache search <title/description>

In the case of canola, the package name is 'canola2'