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See if this helps: http://beginlinux.com/desktop_traini...wireless-setup

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That was just the first I thought of (not to mention the registry tweaks weren't always for cosmetic reasons, sometimes for performance). Also installing drivers and changing out cards was never fun. I'll still never understand why I need to remove my wireless card and plug it back in when I switch it out and in. I use to bring my desktop to college and home, at college I used ethernet, at home I used wireless. I would swap out my wireless card for my TV tuner card. That required endless software messing around with and not to mention when I reinstalled my wireless card it wouldn't recognize it till I reinstalled the software (which then required me to take out the card and plug it back in). Or as I learned, don't put the wireless card in until you reinstall the device drivers.

Another issue occasionally was installing programs, some of the software I used would never install fully, or it would and wouldn't work (since there's no equivilant of apt-get install which checks for dependencies). Though I think tha'ts the differnce between .msi and .exe

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card works, finds network, takes pwd, shows bars at top for signal... but doesnt populate ip & stuff ... once i can get online with ubuntu, i can really start messin around... but for right now, i have to keep loadin windoze to get online

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What connection do you have?

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ok, im pretty sure its some kind of compatability issue with the router

the router is a linksys wrt54g with wep128.

i can connect to the router, but it keeps asking me for the password.

however, a neighbor has a belkin54g, which I CAN connect to the internet, but its a super-weak/ unreliable signal.

im currently googling issues between ubuntu and wrt54g, but am not having much luck finding anything relevant.

comcast, top package

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I'm still checking in and don't mind how the thread has gone. It's drawn some people out already.
I don't need anything from the trolls, posting this here is putting the message where it belongs. So anyone who wants to know how much the N810 sucks can see that it does and just what it takes to resign yourself to the disappointment. If it impacts future Nokia sales, I'd be happier still. The N810 is a big-red-F-grade for product support and design.
The hecklers' banter will stick around to haunt them while I will simply have an opinion that coincides with endless reviews online.

Ironically, nobody has been able to conclusively refute that at release time, the N810 was unfit for the purposes it was sold for. It still stands uncontested that in a practical context, other devices outperform it and are more responsive.

Why I bought the N810 over them is because it was based on Linux and I was under the mistaken impression that when comparing the devices, the N810 would be able to bear the burden of it's features - which it definitely can't.
I've seen more people come on here (like yourself) and state that you can see through to my point and I appreciate that a fair bit.
I will continue to maintain these fair standards and don't feel obligated to compromise my expectations. Especially when the responsiveness of the device in question is already outdone by devices made 6 years ago! I get a kick out of that.

My N810 is sold now (for a decent price as well), good riddance and hopefully it can make somebody with as low of standards as the others here happy.

Nokia could crap out another lemon like the N810 (except make it hand-cranked) and they'd still sit there treating it like some exclusive religion. Or an acquired taste. It all turns into "well, the N810 for me is......."

The N810 to most people who bought it is a piece of crap where OS images have been known to ship with broken repositories. The GPS is unstable indoors or out. Single-application load times are abhorrent and again, blackberries respond faster than this! Screen updates are fractured and lengthy. There were corrupted internal memory card issues. Bluetooth communication was a nightmare when I tried to hook up an Apple Bluetooth keyboard there was sometimes 1 to 2 seconds of input lag! The device until the last moment I owned it still had no real effective suspend strategy. Every time I picked the lemon up, it was flat because it never suspended - even within a day, which made me less inclined to try using it.
I'll never stop about the GPS because that was such a stillborn joke.

None of this happened overnight to the N810, it SHIPPED with these problems when it was released!

I paid $400 to find this out and not once did Nokia look at their product and the landslide of reviews online and say "wow, we screwed the user experience on this one, why are we selling this through mainstream channels?!"

To be thorough, I'm far from a mainstream user, but that doesn't mean everything I buy has to be broken. I can't think of many products where I'm going to look at it's advertised features and go "Yeah, but I won't be able to do all that, but here you go, I'll pay for it anyway!"

If I'm told a product will do something, it will do it without wasting my time and it will do it well. Period.

This whole "get a grip" attitude is a farce. I have an empty cardboard box that will fly to the moon for all you internet tabletards if you think the N810 is fit for purpose.

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wow, i thought we changed the subject to poop and old modems.

hrmm.

PS, hey Omega, why do you keep trying to use GPS indoors? $400 Garmin receivers don't even usually work indoors... just sayin.

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Are you blind? I said indoors or out.

There's some serious selective reading going on here.

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... "indoors or out" includes "indoors" doesn't it?

(and what if i WAS blind? wouldn't YOU feel like a jerk!)

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Who cares? Does that change that it's broken out of the box? No.

I have a park near my house with open skies all around, no tall buildings. The GPS had a bloody fit as soon as I took a step.

It was defective out of the box.

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More importantly, why does my family's TomTom GPS take forever to get a signal even when it's outside. I've literally held it up in the air as I walk outside (it was a warm summer day) and it still took a while to get a signal.

Ugh.

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That's terrible. You shouldn't sell stuff thats defective. I hope you gave the guy you sold it to a 15 day return policy. After all, the nice folks who sold it to YOU did.

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My N810 is no different to any other one out there. It's not uniquely defective and the problems I've reported have been reported by others.

You choosing not to notice that proves nothing.

The N810's GPS is simply poorly conceived and defective *by design*. It was never meant to be used, only advertised on a box.

Which begs the question, why should I have to pay for something that won't ever work worth a damn?

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Don't fight it. You have offended a finnish god in your previous life (or just been mean to small penguins) and now you're paying for it.

PS. I also happen to have an apple BT keyboard attached to my N810. No lag problems. Sorry.

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I really hope it's a voice-coupled modem you're talking about (hey ! I had a VIC20 as a kid !)

PS. Is it just me or is this thread turning into a Monty Python sketch ?

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Whatever it is, it's very funny with Benny Hill theme music in the background.

Tim

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A single purpose device may outperform the n810 at the task it was specifically designed to do. The point of the n810 is that it does more that a stand-alone gps receiver or an ipod touch, etc.

The reason no one conclusively refutes your claim is because no one conclusively supports it. If you're going to cite anecdotal evidence, then anyone opposing your viewpoint can, too.

Which still doesn't address the fact that you're still posting on a forum devoted to a device you no longer own.

You appear to live day-to-day with quite a few mistaken assumptions.

Name them.

well, the n810 for me is something that just works.

Most everything listed is indicative of a hardware flaw. Unfortunately and unavoidably, all consumer electronics will have a small portion of defective units.

What's more interesting to me is your comment that you'll never stop going on about the GPS? Why? I don't piss and moan about the sub-par web browsing of my Palm T|X from 5 years ago.

Nor did you return the device within the allotted period. Instead, you keep it, ***** on these forums, sell it, then keep *****ing on these forums.

that's unequivocally accurate.

It's been established that you more than likely had a faulty unit. The people here have tried to help confirm. The other possibility is, in your apparent attitude of l33tness, you enabled repos or otherwise hosed the OS. Regardless, there is a discrepancy between your perceived technical prowess and reality. Are you sure I haven't seen your name on a ballot somewhere?

Get a grip. I'll fill that box for ya.

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What? Are you still moping around here?

You sold your N810, you told us all that we are in a near religious denial about our tablets, and we told you that we think the ITT is a wonderful device.

Why have you not gone away? This horse you are beating has been dead for a long time.

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OK, who added the good tags to this thread?

I admit to "dick-size contest" and "n810 doesn't give head":

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Omega, why you are still trolling your thread. The N810 works and is not "totally useless", I have used the GPS outside in a car for a long road trip to Virginia from NY. I have a ThinkOutside bluetooth keyboard that works for taking notes EVERYDAY in meetings and lectures, I use the video chat over 3g weekly. I surf the internet MUCH faster than my E71 smartphone using Tear a webkit browser that was a one click install from Qole's repository on a freshly flashed tablet.

All these are thing you say don't work, why do they work for me? There is no hacking involved these are all standard installations.

You had a defective unit and did not return it, that is the issue you seem to refuse to accept.

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The unit is not defective, you're going on blanket assumptions made by technically inexperienced posters on this forum. This is evidenced by their ornery behaviour, cocky attitude and careless statements.

That's well rounded foolishness on your part.

Again as a testament to the inability of all the trolls (especially dick-richardson who has been especially persistent with assumptions and lies), I explained why I'm still posting to this thread. As a big warning sign to people that the N810 is defective by design.

Which again, I've provided information about, but nobody refutes. There's no technicality you can get away with without first disproving my points. Which as I will repeat yet again just to be nice: Is proven in many places on the internet outside of this site.

Enjoy eating mud. But the more this thread gets attention, the better it will SEO! Thanks!

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You finally are making some sense....this will get more attention on the Internet, and those finding this thread will be influenced by the content. Unfortunately for you, they will see one person insisting that this thing does not work, and many, many people explaining how well it actually does work.

While I appreciate your Quixote-like stance, you are still tilting at windmills here.

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I don't know, I think you've overlooked other people coming on with understanding in this thread. It's not unusual for boosters to skip over what they can't handle - go for the meat.

It doesn't take much googlery to also see accounts similar to mine on review sites. Seeing the reaction here will simply galvanize peoples' impression of not just the device, but Nokia's fire and forget approach to ITT.

At which point, the age old adage "If in doubt, don't." will apply. I won't say the next Nokia device will be a lemon too. But without significant consideration and improvement to their methodology behind ITTs, there's a pretty good chance...

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But not for you. I can imagine how worse your frustration must get as noob after noob pops-in on this thread and tells how effortlessly they were able to make their n810 dance. When all the while, a seasoned computer person such as yourself couldn't hack it. Maybe you should eat some of that egg on your face.

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http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2...et-tablet.html
"Sadly, that’s the beginning and end of what we like about the N810. The rest just seems like disappointment after disappointment."


http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/arch...ia-n810-review
"Slow, buggy, unpolished and frustrating. Yes, Nokia’s N810 sucks big time. I hoped I could have told you the story of how I fell in love with my little Nokia, but she’s a real ***** and we’re through! Back in the box she goes. Off to a landfill where she’ll leak heavy metals and probably cause birth defects in future generations. It’s a sad pathetic little device."

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=22858
Look at that douche-bag first response! Talk about having a chip on your shoulder. The guy talks about a problem and he's being attacked right away.

http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/...ssage.id=30149
"I was not happy with the slow N810 and it's slow GPS connection speed and Nokia f me by paying 400 $ for E71 and then not too late after E71's release came up with E63 :smileysad: That's it - no more device from Nokia - I fed up with this bs. "

http://www.hawkee.com/shop/review/169040/
LOL!

So, anyway. Who will the fanboys attack with just a snapshot of the proof? Them against the world, huh? Just don't attack me for being honest, and certainly don't make up snot-faced nonsense to distract the point.
Most of the people here act like 12 year old girls.

That's egg on your face.

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And yet these "technically inexperienced posters" aren't having the problems you are.

Where's the list of devices from 6 years ago that work better than the n810? Demonstrate anywhere on this forum where you did even the most rudimentary troubleshooting. Your belief that whining on this forum is going to make even the slightest dent on Nokia's bottom line is laughable.

Yes, I have. Repeatedly and with as much substance as your claims.

Your points are unfounded and backed anecdotal evidence, which I can produce as well, and in greater quantities.

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All I've seen from you is "neener neener".

Jimmy crack corn....and I forget how the rest of it goes man. The burden is on you now if you can't follow the links above.

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Pointing to a review that complains that doesn't do much to strengthen your point. Neither does one review that recommends the N800 over the N810 because they don't like the position of the camera and miss the FM radio.

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Good thing you've gone into desperate cherry picking mode.

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! conjunction junction (in regards to the grammar showdown earlier) and
! omega changes tags (ours were funnier)

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is it just me, or did that not make a lick of sense?

omega saw his penis? ... twice? .... is that what a 'neener' is?

jimmy crack corn? wouldn't it have been easier to just say 'i don't care'? rather than resorting to 19th century pop culture references?

i'm confused...

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I have the same router and same security, and it works perfectly with my Kubuntu system. JFYI.

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i dunno, i can connect to the unsecure belkin54g across the street just fine. when i connect to my wrt54g, it finds it, asks me for the password, waits a minute, then asks me for the password again.

it sucks because i can't really troubleshoot because i can't get online with ubuntu, so i have to keep rebooting to google through windoze.

but enough of this off-topic tomfoolery, we're back to this whole 'n810 is totally useless' thing... i think the goal now is to think of the oddest possible phrases from the past... but i haven't done that since i was knee-high to a grasshopper........

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No offense, but there's just as many reviews that state the n810 is a great product. And just as many device comparasions between the Nokia devices and other ones such as the iPod touch out on the web. It's just the nature with people's reviews of any product out there. Heck whenever I buy something off of Newegg I will see negative reviews with products that are great and have a majority of positive reviews.

I'm also surprised that you also won't acknowledge that your device may or may not be broken. Considering in the past, there has been occurrences of that happening and people having to get it replaced. In fact when I bought my n800, there were a few bad batches out there (I was afraid I was going get a bad apple myself since they seemed to be coming from Buy.com). The only way to figure if there is something wrong is to compare it with another individual (either in person or over the web by asking questions. Such as "does anyone else n810's GPS take forever to get a lock [and then say give a time estimate).

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Hell, because I'm bored.

pocketables.net (full disclaimer: I haven't heard of them before): "Even so, the N810 is still an incredibly versatile, capable, and impressive mobile device."

Ars Technica: "Like the N800, the N810 delivers one of the best experiences in mobile web browsing on the market. The new browser that ships with OS2008 is truly outstanding, and most of the rest of OS2008 is pretty darn impressive too. For Linux enthusiasts as well as regular users, Nokia's Maemo-based software platform offers power, flexibility, and ease of use. "

PC Mag: "Nokia's latest Internet tablet is the kind of device that Palm could have built, had the company been smarter and more determined. The N810 may finally break Nokia's cultish line of handhelds out from the Linux geek community into the rest of the world."

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Omega, what is your modem's speed ? Maybe that is the problem, or else the ATxxx initialization sequence is wrong...

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Ah, 75bps, fond memories for the French... the Minitel, our greatest achievement after the Concorde supersonic and the Mayonnaise...

To cut costs, those dumb terminals had an ADSL-like modem : 1200bps downstream, but only 75bps upstream (V23), just enough for sending keyboard entries to the server.

That ISA card modem I mentioned earlier... it was actually for a Minitel emulator on PCs. But as it was derived from a regular modem chip, with proper initialization it could be made to work in V22 mode, hence with regular BBSes...

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Omega, you've clearly demonstrated that there are other people out there that share your opinion of the n810. You're not the only one who wasn't satisfied. Point taken.

It's still possible that you had a defective unit, though. You have not been able to "conclusively refute" that.

I could be wrong, but judging from your posts, I think you would like to be taken seriously--by potential buyers and by those who disagree with you. If so, then please refrain from name-calling--e.g. "trolls", "hecklers", "tabletards"--and exaggerating--e.g. "totally useless." Unfortunately, it may be too late for this thread to be taken seriously by anyone.

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for me it's simple as that: what could I get for this money instead?
EEEPC? It doesn't fit my pocket. I could have it cheaper than high end palmtops on winmo.
If there would be device that meet my requirements - I would buy it instead. At first I was looking for some pdf reader and I think I've got quite good one since there's no point in reading pdf's on 320x240 - zooming and panning takes all the time.
To be honest device is not polished and lacks some worth buying apps ie for nav (Wayfinder is not an option - Nokia Maps would do) - but simply - one year ago there was no real avaliabe competitor.