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leakfrog 2009-04-02 23:14

No more SSUs for Diablo.
 
I can't say where I got this info other than an OS guy in Nokia's tablet division. There will be no more updates for Diablo at all. All efforts are on Fremantle, and no one has worked on Diablo in an official capacity since the last SSU went to QA. :(

Anon since I don't want anyone in trouble.

Thesandlord 2009-04-02 23:47

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Ok, that was expected. Who is surprised if this is true? Not me...

When mer becomes better, it will probably be the equivalent of OS2009 Hacker Edition. Community > Company once again...

gpmartinson 2009-04-03 00:27

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So we are on our own out here. Hopefully they will open up the sound driver code so Nitdroid and other variations can work with it.

Lord Raiden 2009-04-03 00:54

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So in the end, we're either stuck with what we have, or go with a community OS. Speaking of which, how's Mer doing? :)

lma 2009-04-03 06:19

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It's no big secret, just look at bugzilla. Lots of WONTFIX in Diablo and not a single "fixed in internal build x" since the last SSU, not even on bugs with patches.

benny1967 2009-04-03 06:32

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I remember mara said this a while ago here. So it's not really news. Still it's always surprising to see how inept and nonprofessional Nokia handles their customer relations.

icebox 2009-04-03 07:06

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There goes the promissed updates for n810 :(

lma 2009-04-03 08:52

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This has been done to death in other threads and it gets tiring after a while. For better or worse Mer is the long-term future for the current devices at least.

For the shorter term, perhaps if we had official confirmation that there will be no more SSUs (so zero risk of breaking them) we could roll out a community repository with bug fixes for the adventurous.

tso 2009-04-03 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 277030)
For the shorter term, perhaps if we had official confirmation that there will be no more SSUs (so zero risk of breaking them) we could roll out a community repository with bug fixes for the adventurous.

i guess the problem here is that nokia will not make such a official statement. their "statement" will be the launch of the next device, running fremantle.

nokia never officially end-of-life a device, they just stop production and then remove it from their page some time later.

nilchak 2009-04-03 10:04

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So since Nokia announced the all-new-fangled technology about over the air SSU and all that jingbang some time back - all we got was a measly few updates - like around 2-4 only. And thats the end of the updates.

What a let down - when they beat the SSU drum so much I had thought we might get something worth being excited about.

Anyways on to the next device - I hate this march on and on - having being bitten by the Zaurus life-cycle once.

Lord Raiden 2009-04-03 10:47

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Yeah, figures. Bring out the new toy, ditch the old one. *rolls eyes*

benny1967 2009-04-03 11:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Raiden (Post 277046)
Bring out the new toy, ditch the old one.

Makes it sound like toilet paper. :mad:

El Amir 2009-04-03 11:33

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My n800 is doing fine as a nightstand clock, bring on the new toys/challenge :)

allnameswereout 2009-04-03 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 277041)
So since Nokia announced the all-new-fangled technology about over the air SSU and all that jingbang some time back - all we got was a measly few updates - like around 2-4 only. And thats the end of the updates.

3 SSU. What did you expect? The profit lies in selling hardware.

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What a let down - when they beat the SSU drum so much I had thought we might get something worth being excited about.
We did. The SSUs gave some important bug fixes and reliability fixes. They've even hired someone to work on this (Andre Klapper).

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Anyways on to the next device - I hate this march on and on - having being bitten by the Zaurus life-cycle once.
Lets compare the quality of the corporate and community support as well. Although you can do such better in hindsight.

Are you disappointed with Mer? The Mer project, for example, is endorsed by Nokia. And they've even lobbied for open source hardware drivers. Did Sharp do that?

Frankly, it goes as I've foreseen, with the exception that the Mer project is quickly getting good hardware support. Partly thanks to Nokia (e.g. new WiFi driver). With Zaurus we were stuck with Linux kernel 2.4 for a long, long time.

Mara 2009-04-03 23:40

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Why no more SSU updates? I still do get SSU updates for third party applications... :rolleyes:

While we are likely not going to receive any more updates from Nokia, the SSU in general is still working.

Lord Raiden 2009-04-04 00:34

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Well, the Diablo SSU's are just as important as the 3rd party updates.

YoDude 2009-04-04 00:57

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I hear the term "we are stuck with" and I don't get it. As my N800 is right now... is pretty dang good. :)

Not much is said or posted about what the tablets were touted for by Nokia in the first place... As portable internet devices... Internet in your pocket!

Since MicroB has been released I find more that can be done with the thing every time I connect.

It sucks as a random site surfer but with some easily accomplished tweaks I can use it to glean anything I want. If a site is too cumbersome, I download the source code directly to the tablet, edit out the garbage, improve rendering for the screen size, then access my new HTM file from the tablets own dang memory.

I travel about 125 miles by road daily to a variety of locations. I have been to each of these locations hundreds of times so navigation is not an issue. Traffic volume, road construction, and traffic accidents are though and can make a day for me down right miserable.

Once I found the server that contained the images of my states traffic cams I put together some locally stored web pages that allow me to pull up a live image from any one of the states 180 or so traffic cams with as few as 3 pokes of my finger. Every day more and improved content makes its way on to the web.

Just today I found that Google mobile now responds to the N800's ID string and sizes map images appropriately. This was not the case last week.

If you do the "Internet Search Applet" tweak found at the bottom of this post >> http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...6&postcount=12

When you enter search terms such as "pizza (your zip code or locale)" the tablets search applet now returns local results and a properly sized map that is just as good as the iPhone Google Maps app. (With a few CSS tweaks better.)

So all in all, I'm happy with what I'm "stuck" with and I'm sure it will be useful for many years to come.

I would be much more concerned if Nokia discontinued the battery. :eek:

luca 2009-04-04 08:11

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Sure, it'll be good until there's a serious security issue with no upgrade available (though I don't remember nokia ever fixing a security problem on the tablet, so either the tablet software, including flash, is so good to never have security issues, or simply nokia swept them under the rug).

benny1967 2009-04-04 08:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 277278)
Why no more SSU updates? I still do get SSU updates for third party applications... :rolleyes:

While we are likely not going to receive any more updates from Nokia, the SSU in general is still working.

in my personal little language, SSU refers to the possibility of upgrading parts of the nokia core system without doing the re-flash that would have been necessary for this before june 2008.

3rd party apps have always been updated via the application manager, even before june 2008. that's not SSU, that's debian package management.

lma 2009-04-04 10:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by luca (Post 277343)
I don't remember nokia ever fixing a security problem on the tablet

They do fix most of the security problems reported.

Mara 2009-04-04 13:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 277344)
in my personal little language, SSU refers to the possibility of upgrading parts of the nokia core system without doing the re-flash that would have been necessary for this before june 2008.

3rd party apps have always been updated via the application manager, even before june 2008. that's not SSU, that's debian package management.

I stand corrected that the primary purpose of the SSU was to get system software updates to the tablet without reflashing. What I was referring is that orange exclamation icon that starts flashing automatically when updates are available on any installed (third party or not) software.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-04 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 277278)
Why no more SSU updates? I still do get SSU updates for third party applications... :rolleyes:

We've gotten third party software updates since day one of OS2005. SSU doesn't have a thing to do with third-parties.

Lord Raiden 2009-04-04 16:02

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Well, yes. But the biggest improvement over the old update system vs the newer one is, availability of updates is automatically announced now. With the old system you had to check manually. Now you can login and know something new is available immediately.


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