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qole 2009-04-27 20:11

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
daperl: When you're at a party or wedding or something, and you've just taken a great set of photos, and you want to show the photos off on-site, what do you plug this cable of yours into? A pocket projector?

daperl 2009-04-27 20:26

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 282462)
Sticking the stylus keyboard in under "High Res Screen" and then saying that they're taking that all away because they're taking away the stylus keyboard is cheating.

Well, ever since I got notice, I've been trying to figure out what to do. Here's some screen shots of my on-going Python migration. Next step is the xterm.py/kb.py proof-of-concept wedding.

I think I should have something ready for the RX-51 Christmas launch.

Attachment 3398Attachment 3399

daperl 2009-04-27 20:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 282484)
daperl: When you're at a party or wedding or something, and you've just taken a great set of photos, and you want to show the photos off on-site, what do you plug this cable of yours into? A pocket projector?

Any TV that was manufactured after approximately 1978. Every building will have one. Ships too. The best part is, I only have to play the slide show or movie once.

danramos 2009-04-27 20:42

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
What do I specifically like about my tablet? It's almost a laptop computer in my pocket instead of just another ipod or mp3 player that needs a computer to sync with.

Personally.. I like that it's a PERFECT podcast device. I don't need to sync it with a PC, I just get into an area with wifi wherever I am and I can sync (I often get up to the last 6 hours of hourly CNN Headline News, about 5 minutes each). Even while I'm on a very long trip or on vacation away from home, I can count on ONLY needing the N800 just to keep the latest podcasts coming in.

As well, I can use Gizmo to join in and RECORD podcasts on Talkshoe.com with excellent clarity and all I need is just the Nokia (built-in speakers and mic)--but I can also hook up just a headset (using only built-in mic to talk).. or with a headset-microphone combo (with an adapter or with the Nokia headset/mic that came with my N800).

I also heavily rely on the RSS feed reader to follow along osnews, groklaw, slashdot, dilbert comics, etc.

987687 2009-04-27 21:21

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I have a 3.1" screen on my camera, so that is good enough to look at pictures.

attila77 2009-04-27 22:52

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Originally Posted by 987687 (Post 282528)
I have a 3.1" screen on my camera, so that is good enough to look at pictures.

I also happen to use a cam that has a nice big LCD, very high DPI even (3" 640x480x3) but still people prefer to look at the images on my N810, often to the point of making me swap cards. Apparently the finger-based navigation, lack of many intimidating buttons/options and smaller device size makes it more appealing. YMMV, I guess.

qole 2009-04-27 22:59

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Thanks, attila77, I thought I was all alone there.

Occasionally, I try to plug my video camera or some other device into a nearby TV; after a couple of times where I've gotten myself covered in dust balls from the dark corners behind the TV only to discover that the TV has only a coax antenna port, a couple of times where I got dark glares from the TVs owner(s), and at least one occasion where an existing cable has broken off in my hands, I tend to avoid messing with other people's display equipment.

mullf 2009-04-27 23:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 282462)
Sticking the stylus keyboard in under "High Res Screen" and then saying that they're taking that all away because they're taking away the stylus keyboard is cheating.

********. If I have to zoom in to click a link in a list of links or an item in a menu, and them zoom out, the benefit of the highres screen, a browser that acts like a desktop browser, where one does not have to screw around to use it, is lost.

qole 2009-04-27 23:43

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Originally Posted by mullf (Post 282575)
********. If I have to zoom in to click a link in a list of links or an item in a menu, and them zoom out, the benefit of the highres screen, a browser that acts like a desktop browser, where one does not have to screw around to use it, is lost.

Sorry, mullf, I don't understand; what does that have to do with an on-screen stylus keyboard?

mullf 2009-04-27 23:54

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Originally Posted by qole (Post 282583)
Sorry, mullf, I don't understand; what does that have to do with an on-screen stylus keyboard?

Sorry, my mind went off on a tangent.

With the stylus keyboard, I can see and type at the same time. So the same idea still holds, I can operate the thing like a desktop browser. For example, I can look at what I am replying to while I type and make sure my response is on-topic. :p

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-28 00:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mullf (Post 282587)
With the stylus keyboard, I can see and type at the same time. So the same idea still holds, I can operate the thing like a desktop browser. For example, I can look at what I am replying to while I type and make sure my response is on-topic. :p

The same can be done with a hardware keyboard.

mullf 2009-04-28 00:04

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
I don't want a mother ****ing hardware keyboard!

daperl 2009-04-28 00:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mullf (Post 282592)
I don't want a mother ****ing hardware keyboard!

Not with those fingers.

GeraldKo 2009-04-28 01:48

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
I don't have a, uh, regular (or working) lifestyle. I get to spend lots of time in bed and a decent amount of time traveling, lightly.

Traveling -- How cool is it to have a Skype phone in a foreign country. A navigation device with a street map of some strange city and a GPS that can show me just where I'm walking around. A web browser (and email). A translating dictionary. Lots of movies for the airplane. A big collection of books I can carry on a 2-gram SD card and read in a great eBook reader. Podcasts and music I can download and stream without a computer. And all of it in about 200 grams! Heck, on the road it's the best alarm clock, too.

In bed -- I like lying on my back, slightly propped up, in my oh-so-comfortable bed, browsing the web, answering emails, listening to podcasts, and reading. I have a small subnotebook -- ThinkPad X-series -- but it's entirely the wrong form factor for lying in bed. A netbook would be no better. Give me a little N800, none of that sliding keyboard stuff, and a stylus, and I can browse, read, click and type all day!

It occurs to me that I could do almost all the above on an iPod Touch instead of a NIT. But I'd immensely miss the screen size and resolution for reading and movies and properly viewing webpages. And I'd miss the flexibility of removable SD cards and the option of using a bluetooth keyboard when I travel.

And then there's this forum, which is a sort of anarcho-utopian geekfest, where I can piss away time arguing with General Antilles, get my dumb questions answered by the likes of 16-year-old Qwerty12, have my wishes fulfilled by people like Bundyo and BrentDC, find brotherhood with lm2, and make believe I can advise Nokia as to how it should run its business!

daperl 2009-04-28 03:12

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
@GeraldKo

Thanks for the post, my brutha. It needed to be said. I've unhealthily incorporated these devices into my life. They work for me even while I sleep. The stylus is king. And when combined with the d-pad, Diablo and other spells, potions and electronic paraphernalia, my portable computing needs are routinely satisfied.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-28 18:40

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 282496)
Well, ever since I got notice, I've been trying to figure out what to do. Here's some screen shots of my on-going Python migration. Next step is the xterm.py/kb.py proof-of-concept wedding.

You are aware that Nokia has an open source stylus keyboard that may be easier to start your work with, right?

free 2009-04-28 19:16

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 282801)
You are aware that Nokia has an open source stylus keyboard that may be easier to start your work with, right?

Interesting.
Is it also usable in a normal X11 application? Or Qt application?

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-28 19:18

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Originally Posted by free (Post 282818)
Or Qt application?

For Qt, at least, Qt-Maemo solves this.

free 2009-04-28 19:35

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Ok but X11? ;)

And with qt-maemo probably still needs hildon running, osd or something independent of underlying gdk.

What I mean is a sw keyboard available in say, openbox WM. WOuld probably be coupled with the touchscreen driver?
dreaammmiiing :D
Otherwise, I will need a keyboard for the future tablet :)

free 2009-04-28 19:46

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To explain further:
When porting a tcl/tk application for example: there was a good chess linux app but without a proper sw keyboard that was not fun..

daperl 2009-04-28 20:49

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 282801)
You are aware that Nokia has an open source stylus keyboard that may be easier to start your work with, right?

Okay, you've beat me into submission. I tried the "Upgrading from Diablo SDK" install option and it didn't go so well. I think I hosed it a month ago while playing around with webkit stuff. Anyway, I'm starting from "scratch." This will take a while, but when I have things up and running, the first thing I'll try and compile is the HIM example. More as I know.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-28 20:59

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 282850)
Okay, you've beat me into submission. I tried the "Upgrading from Diablo SDK" install option and it didn't go so well. I think I hosed it a month ago while playing around with webkit stuff. Anyway, I'm starting from "scratch." This will take a while, but when I have things up and running, the first thing I'll try and compile is the HIM example. More as I know.

It's also included in the nice, lightweight Mer virtual image.

qole 2009-04-28 21:55

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 282852)
It's also included in the nice, lightweight Mer virtual image.

Works with most non-Hildon apps, too. If it doesn't pop up when you tap an editable field, a center-dpad press pops it up. Kudos to the Mer team for putting the stylus keyboard back into the Fremantle UI.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/...cc8d3718_o.png

daperl 2009-04-28 23:30

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
This is excellent. The Mer guys have been all over it. Wouldn't their stuff just pop right in to Maemo 5?

Stskeeps 2009-04-29 06:15

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 282890)
This is excellent. The Mer guys have been all over it. Wouldn't their stuff just pop right in to Maemo 5?

Show-stopper: we do a trick, hildon-input-method framework is an older version where stylus method still worked, until we get a finger keyboard. Patches to HIMF are more than welcome to re-enable stylus keyboards, as thumb keyboards seem hard-wired.

daperl 2009-04-29 07:18

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 282913)
Show-stopper: we do a trick, hildon-input-method framework is an older version where stylus method still worked, until we get a finger keyboard. Patches to HIMF are more than welcome to re-enable stylus keyboards, as thumb keyboards seem hard-wired.

Thanks for the heads up. That probably explains what I've observed. The vkb plugin I built in the Beta SDK works on my tablet but only loads in the SDK. But to clarify, by older version do you mean the Diablo 4.1.2 HIMF?

XTC 2009-04-29 09:43

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Always ON, always connected to my WIFI network.

daperl 2009-04-29 16:42

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 282801)
You are aware that Nokia has an open source stylus keyboard that may be easier to start your work with, right?

I'm guessing you read Stskeeps reply. Well, this was my fear. I was optimistic as long as my skepticism allowed me. I have little doubt that Stskeeps took the most parsimonious path to get the sylus keyboard working in Mer, thus, for all intents and purposes, and for the time being, I conclude that Nokia broke stuff. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, when I have a moment I will file a bug report if someone has not already done so.

possessedskier 2009-04-29 18:09

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
I love that it's a mini Linux PC that I never get bored with.

- I use it on trips for skype calls and video calls with Gizmo.
- At work it plays XM-Sirius satellite radio online over wifi for more than 5 hours straight on one charge.
- It's an instant on device for quick web surfing and emails 24/7.
- I transfer files to and from my phone via bluetooth and to and from my other PCs via SFTP.
- I monitor my volunteer fire department's servers using an ssh terminal connection.

GeneralAntilles 2009-04-29 18:33

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 283022)
I'm guessing you read Stskeeps reply. Well, this was my fear. I was optimistic as long as my skepticism allowed me. I have little doubt that Stskeeps took the most parsimonious path to get the sylus keyboard working in Mer, thus, for all intents and purposes, and for the time being, I conclude that Nokia broke stuff. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, when I have a moment I will file a bug report if someone has not already done so.

Yes, I am aware of what's going on with it. :)

daperl 2009-04-29 18:46

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 283055)
Yes, I am aware of what's going on with it. :)

If this means what I think it means, many thanks to all involved. Count me in for QA on this issue.

@qgil

Because Nokia is leaving this stuff behind, would it be possible to get the code for the actual 4.1.2 vkb? If not, how about an explanation of why it would remain proprietary. Thanks again.

penguinbait 2009-04-29 19:20

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
linux!!!!!

Ulysses 2009-04-29 20:31

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
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I can do onboard development for the Flash platform.

1, Fire up emacs and code along:

Attachment 3411

2, Open a chroot terminal and compile with haxe:

Attachment 3412

3, Finally, test in browser:

Attachment 3413

Ulysses

Capt'n Corrupt 2009-04-29 22:56

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulysses (Post 283099)
I can do onboard development for the Flash platform.

1, Fire up emacs and code along:

Attachment 3411

2, Open a chroot terminal and compile with haxe:

Attachment 3412

3, Finally, test in browser:

Attachment 3413

Ulysses


Oh good lord I want a bluetooth keyboard!

That does it, I'm ordering one!


YARR!
}:^)~
BlueCapt'n

unx 2009-05-21 09:54

Re: What specifically do you like about your tablet?
 
Ulysses, how you make haxe to run in n810?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulysses (Post 283099)
I can do onboard development for the Flash platform.

1, Fire up emacs and code along:

Attachment 3411

2, Open a chroot terminal and compile with haxe:

Attachment 3412

3, Finally, test in browser:

Attachment 3413

Ulysses



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