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penguinbait 2009-05-02 15:37

What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
I am wondering what is happening with Internettablettalk.com? Currently if you go to it, it looks like it always has. I am assuming that they are wanting this to go away? Is there a date? Will a new front page for the Forums be created? If so will it be at talk.maemo.org? Will internettablettalk.com just be phased out. I am hoping there will be a front page to the forums like ITT has always had.

Sorry perhaps this is already discussed, can someone clue me in?

TrueJournals 2009-05-02 15:40

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
I believe the plan is to demolish the front page of internettablettalk.com, and move the forums to talk.maemo.org. However, I haven't seen a date for this happening.

What do you find useful about the front page of internettablettalk.com? The consensus was that the page gives no extra information, and the News is out of date.

timsamoff 2009-05-02 15:51

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
This is the alternative "front page" for the forums (i.e., new posts):

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...archid=4873301

Tim

TrueJournals 2009-05-02 15:53

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
I think you want this link.

penguinbait 2009-05-02 15:54

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueJournals (Post 283964)
I think you want this link.

Um no, I dont

penguinbait 2009-05-02 15:54

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueJournals (Post 283957)
I believe the plan is to demolish the front page of internettablettalk.com, and move the forums to talk.maemo.org. However, I haven't seen a date for this happening.

What do you find useful about the front page of internettablettalk.com? The consensus was that the page gives no extra information, and the News is out of date.

I honestly use the front page to see what people are talking about. I am still using the front page.

So your saying there will be a front page to talk.maemo.org similar in nature to the front page of ITT? Showing active topics?

TrueJournals 2009-05-02 15:57

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 283966)
Um no, I dont

This was actually a response to Tim, not to you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 283967)
I honestly use he front page to see what people are talking about. I am still using the front page.

So your saying there will be a front page to talk.maemo.org similar in nature to the front page of ITT? Showing active topics?

I'm saying there WON'T be a front page of talk.maemo.org, it'll just be the forums. Are you using the minimalistic theme? In that case, I think my link above is the closest you're going to get. Perhaps we need to come up with a solution for the minimalistic theme users?

ekul 2009-05-02 15:58

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
The new layout has the active topics on the right at all times, not just the front page. I find that even more useful since you don't have to go back to the main page to get to the next active topic

sjgadsby 2009-05-02 15:59

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 283967)
Showing active topics?

"getdaily" lists threads updated in the last day.

penguinbait 2009-05-02 16:08

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
It seems like this whole thing is just trying to force ITT's user base into Maemo.org. There was a reason people didn't go there, I can't see why that is not clear. You want to get people to Maemo.org, CHANGE MAEMO.ORG, don't twist peoples arms.

At least the old site, showed active topic front and center on Front page. Now, I go to a list of forums, and scroll up and down along the right hand side to see them. This is NOT more useful.

I personally would like to retain a similar layout to ITT front page with active topics and other useful information.

SD69 2009-05-02 16:27

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 283973)
It seems like this whole thing is just trying to force ITT's user base into Maemo.org. There was a reason people didn't go there, I can't see why that is not clear. You want to get people to Maemo.org, CHANGE MAEMO.ORG, don't twist peoples arms.

Yup. Of course, now that you've explicitly said it, there will be vociferous denials and the same few people thanking each other for making the denials.

Jaffa 2009-05-02 16:37

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Going to the URL "http://talk.maemo.org/" will look exactly like going to "http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/" looks now.

Reggie and RogerS will have various options for continuing to blog.

Jaffa 2009-05-02 16:41

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 283979)
Yup. Of course, now that you've explicitly said it, there will be vociferous denials and the same few people thanking each other for making the denials.

Damn. You've seen through it. I admit it, it's all been a big Nokia-led conspiracy to break your brain, kill your puppy and steal your candy. Nokia secretly control the council (which you elected), no-one wants to help, and Reggie was coerced into changing his website.

Happy now?

penguinbait 2009-05-02 17:00

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 283987)
Damn. You've seen through it. I admit it, it's all been a big Nokia-led conspiracy to break your brain, kill your puppy and steal your candy. Nokia secretly control the council (which you elected), no-one wants to help, and Reggie was coerced into changing his website.

Happy now?

Yes, were all happy :confused:

andrewfblack 2009-05-02 17:13

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
penguinbait you are no longer a itT user since itT is or will soon be no more. It has merged with maemo.org. Just like we are working on getting a replacement for me maemobox.org which I recently shutdown as part of maemo.org. Soon all will be one and there is no turning back ::Evil Grin::

andrewfblack 2009-05-02 17:15

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueJournals (Post 283968)
This was actually a response to Tim, not to you...



I'm saying there WON'T be a front page of talk.maemo.org, it'll just be the forums. Are you using the minimalistic theme? In that case, I think my link above is the closest you're going to get. Perhaps we need to come up with a solution for the minimalistic theme users?

I can come up with some kind of Active Topics thing for minimalist theme but really viaspy or New posts should be about the same.

mullf 2009-05-02 17:32

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewfblack (Post 283995)
itT is or will soon be no more.

Dismantled! (® nokia)

fms 2009-05-02 17:33

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ekul (Post 283969)
The new layout has the active topics on the right at all times, not just the front page. I find that even more useful since you don't have to go back to the main page to get to the next active topic

...and by having active topics on the rights it achieves two things:

1. Active topics list gets tiny width, causing it to wrap and making users scroll.
2. The column on the right takes precious space from the main page content on the left.

So, please, please just make an active topics page that is like the one on internettabletalk.com. Do away with that "helpful" right column and just show the list of active topics that takes the whole width of the page.

Thanks to whoever is reading.

fpp 2009-05-02 17:33

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
I've always been happy with "new posts" as a starting page, never really looked at the ItT homepage...

penguinbait 2009-05-02 18:04

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewfblack (Post 283996)
I can come up with some kind of Active Topics thing for minimalist theme but really viaspy or New posts should be about the same.

When I ask Reggie how I go about creating a new theme, he says I must create a picture of what I want it to look like?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...7&postcount=28

Can you share your picture you used for minimallist theme?, and what process you went through to get it approved? Also where are you developing it? Do you have your own vbulletin site for testing?

andrewfblack 2009-05-02 21:42

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 284008)
When I ask Reggie how I go about creating a new theme, he says I must create a picture of what I want it to look like?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...7&postcount=28

Can you share your picture you used for minimallist theme?, and what process you went through to get it approved? Also where are you developing it? Do you have your own vbulletin site for testing?

What he means is for you to drawn a mockup image of what you want the theme to look like. This is one of the ones for the current theme. http://www.internettablettalk.com/images/maemotheme.png then a theme can be designed off of that mockup. You don't use the image to make a theme it just used to show how you want the final product to look. That is the first step in any major project like this. If all you want is current one with darker colors on bottom use that image and recolor it. As for minimalist theme I'm not releasing my mock ups right now but maybe next week. Also Reggie has a sandbox site we use for testing the themes. It would be up to him to allow access to it, but being that we would have to give you full admin rights I don't know if it is possible.

ukki 2009-05-02 22:36

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 284008)
Well its bun a lot of fun for the last three years. It appears that the fun is coming to an end. I anticipate myself coming here less and less. If anyone wants to reach me use penguinbait@penguinbait.com.

It was a fun ride while it lasted.... keep in touch!!

Dear god, what are you, 5 years old?

GeraldKo 2009-05-02 23:41

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ukki (Post 284036)
Dear god, what are you, 5 years old?

I understand that Penguinbait's new sig reads to you like "If I can't have it my way I'm taking my ball and leaving," but I think that's unfair. Penguinbait made his statement politely, and kindly left us a forwarding address.

First off, it's possible that he finds the new forum hard to read, not because he's 5 years old but for the opposite reason. As I almost replied to George Fragos:
Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by fragos (Post 284034)
I underestand where the orange comes from but I find orange on white harder to read. IMHO my personal preference is for a darker theme.


George, clearly you're too old to be wanted here. If you were young, like Certain Persons I Won't Mention By Name, you would like the new design, and you would have no problem reading it and no sympathy for those whose vision isn't as good.

By the way, I'm too old, too. ;)


Besides, Penguinbait has a right to feel the way he does on aesthetic grounds. Think of the forum as a cafe you frequent and like a lot. Then the owners change the decor to something you just can't stand. Would you keep going there? Even if you would, can you imagine someone else who would choose not to? Would you find it babyish that he chose to drink his coffee elsewhere?

Further, imagine that the cafe owners could give you magic glasses that would allow you to see the cafe the way you liked it while at the same time not impacting the cafe's actual appearance for any of the other customers. Wouldn't you find it rather irritating that they would refuse to let you wear the glasses? In fact, it might strike you as incomprehensibly totalitarian. In that case, you just might conclude that "the fun is coming to an end," and you really wouldn't want to come back.

Penguinbait has been a great and generous contributor to this forum. I put him in a small elite, with fanoush and gnuite and just a few others. What I don't get is why the powers-that-be wouldn't cater to a request that is not wildly idiosyncratic (look at his poll and all the other requests) and is very little skin off anyone's back. (It's not as if he's asking for a change in the default; he's merely asking for an option, of which there used to be many. See my other post on this.)

Instead I read this foolishness from these powers-that-be about how he ought to be volunteering to participate if he wants something different. But he knows full well that what he wants already exists and that they just won't provide it as an option. Besides, it's not as if he's a lazy duffer. He's participated plenty. E.g., not only did he create the Console Tools but he answered a zillion forum members' questions about it. So, rather than web design or community politics, creating code for the Tablets and helping its users has been his form of participation. It doesn't give him power, but I believe it ought to grant him respect.

GeneralAntilles 2009-05-02 23:51

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 284044)
But he knows full well that what he wants already exists and that they just won't provide it as an option.

Reggie has already responded to this point.

GeraldKo 2009-05-03 00:11

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 284048)
Reggie has already responded to this point.

Thanks. Where?

If this is what you mean --

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie (Post 283794)
Man, I don't think some will ever get it. It's a shame that all this disagreement will just take toll on the community. It's not a matter of just reactivating an old theme, nor just get a pre-built theme off the shelf. It's all about our image as a community! What kind of message are we going to give the future members with a disjoint theme and all this bickering.

,

-- I think that's poor reasoning, since the "disjointed theme" will not be seen by anyone who hasn't specifically requested it! I've answered that "response" of Reggie's here.

mullf 2009-05-03 00:41

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Additionally, what is the point of changing to new message board software where the old themes could not be used, but instead would have to be rewritten if wanted? What was wrong with the old message board software?

GeneralAntilles 2009-05-03 00:47

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mullf (Post 28406)
What was wrong with the old message board software?

It lacked the security updates of the newer software, for one.

mullf 2009-05-03 01:07

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 284066)
It lacked the security updates of the newer software, for one.

I can still post. Some security! :p

timsamoff 2009-05-03 01:27

Re: What will become of Internettablettalk.com?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueJournals (Post 283964)
I think you want this link.

Hehe. Thanks. :)

Tim


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