N800 vs N810
 

As it turns out I may not be able to get the money for the N810 and am now looking at the N800 as a potential alternative.

My understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, is that the main differences between the two units are;

a) The 810 has a physical keyboard,
b) The 810 is a little bit faster (400 vs 320Mhz),
c) 810 has a USB 2.0
d) Memory...810 has 2gig internal memory vs 128Mb in the 800...but it seems like this issue can be overcome with using memory cards
e) 810 has GPS, 800 needs to use an external GPS device

So...the way I'm thinking about the topics above..in order to 'justify' an 800...

a) I could potentially get a BT keyboard down the road if the virtual keyboard becomes too much of a pain,
b) Speed should not be that much different..Is it?
c) Hmm...am I correct in that the 800 has the slower 1.0 USB connection? Is this an issue for anyone?
d) Is it an issue for any application/OS to have only 128MB internal memory?
e) No big deal for me.

It seems to boil down to the questions:
1) Can I run the same OS and applications on the 800 as I can on the 810?

2) I'm a big gamer..are many games now requiring the physical keyboard to work?

3) How much of pain is it too use the virtual keyboard on the 800 to do emails, browsing etc? Will it drive me nuts having it block 50% of the screen?

You 800 users out there happy and using your 800 for emails, chatting and web browsing?

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This is wrong. They both have 128Mb internal "flash"; but the N810 has 2GB internal "memory".

Because they both have the same amount of flash so there is no issue for the N800 vs the N810. I have both, N810 and N800. I prefer the N800 over the N810 because I seldom use the N810 keyboard. If one need to use a physical keyboard then should buy a bluetooth to pair with the device.

The N800 has two SDHC slots. One is inside and the other is outside. Suppose you can afford to buy the biggest SDHC cards, 32B. You can have 64GB + 128MB total. The N810 has only one external slot for miniSDHC.

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corrections:
b) Both N800 and N810 runs at 400MHz ones the N800 is flashed with chinook or diablo.

c) Both have usb 2.0.

d) The memory issue is a bit muddy. The N800 have 128MB attached directly to the cpu (a solution called package on package), same with N810. However, where the N800 has two full sized SD slots (one under the stand, one behind the battery cover) the N810 have 1 mini-SD, and one 2GB SD-as-chip soldered into place behind the battery cover. In either case, only the 128MB PoP memory can be used for programs, unless the user takes steps to clone the os onto a SD (or in the case of the N810, onto the soldered 2GB).

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I have both the nokia n810 and n800... I am no nerd or anything, im only 14 but I think its easy to use the virtual keyboard, little time to get used to. The phsical keyboard is faster, less annooying bc the virtual has to pop up every time you want to type. In my opinoin, everything is about the same overall... Just everything is slighly better on the n810..

Yep

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Thanks for the great replies.

One thing to add...I just 'discovered' the Nokia 770 which may be an even more realistic (read: cost) option for me.

Can I run the same, latest OS on the 770?
Can I use Skype and full browser on the 770?

Anyone here actually own or used a 770 and can weigh in on 800 vs 770?

Thanks, you guys are great!

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It's actually 256MB.

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ouch, now you got me wondering what i have wasted it all on ;)

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The 770 and the N800 are lightyears apart. With the 770, you're either going to be using the last supported OS release, OS2006, which is 3 years old, or a totally unsupported and unstable Hacker Edition release of OS2008.

The 770 is slow, it has limited memory and it's not going to provide an experience anywhere near that of the N800.

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Well, about 128MB of that is the OS, and it doesn't take many desktop-sized libraries to fill up the rest.

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Thanks and yes, I did read up more about the 770 and watched some youtube videos about it and it seems like you're right in what you wrote.

I was considering a Sony Mylo Com-2 before I stumbled upon the N800/810's - now I can't stop picturing a Nokia tablet in my poor little hands :)

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I use OS 2007HE and it is stable enough.


You can always say that about past versions of any electronic device.


Thank God!

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Since no one :o else has said it here : Welcome!

According to eBay the N800 is running ~$130 (used) and the N810 ~$185(used) I've seen deals on new 810s for ~$225.

Where do you envision using the tablet? Inside or outside ?

The only thing I envy the 810 for is the screen, which is better in bright sunlight ( 810 owners correct me ;) )

The syncher for me was the dual FULL size SD card slots. Especially as I had a few SD cards lying around. If you have mini-sd already, then this is moot :)

As for the OSK on the 800: If I know it's a short message, or search term in google then I use it. Otherwise, anything in xterm or long posts like this I break out the BT kbd or the PC at home.

GPS: Well that's a tough one. There are a large number of threads here about the good/bad aspects of the 810's gps performance...

I personally dislike the All-in-one thing....invariably I break one part of it and render the whole thing DOA. :eek:

Any way, whatever you decide, goodluck

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What's your basis for comparison? Your extensive experience with OS2008 on OMAP2 devices? I've used all released versions of Maemo very extensively, and none of the 770 experiences (with OS2006, OS2007HE, or OS2008HE) stack up against the OMAP2 devices.

I know you have a fetish for the hard case, but most people don't get that worked up over it. The N800 has twice the built-in storage, twice the memory, twice the speed, twice the speakers, many times more removable storage, a better screen and a kickstand. It's a vastly superior device.

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They're absolutely totally identical as far as computing goes, as long as you have both updated to the latest firmware.

When I got the N810 I tried using various features alongside an N800 and everything ran at an absolutely identical speed and identical manner on both tablets.

They're pretty much the same device inside, it's just the external stuff that's different.

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I took you on your word that OS2008HE was unstable. In my experience, OS2007HE is not. Thus, the basis for my comparison was your stated experience combined with my known experience. Since you didn't mention OS2007HE, I figured I'd reference it for completeness.

I store things on the memory card.

As I said, this always happens when electronic devices go from one generation to the next.

Big whoop.

I have a memory card that is just fine.

I don't really know. I do know that it is slightly smaller than the 770 screen.

Again, big whoop.


In your opinion.

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No you don't. The screens are exactly the same size.

Sure, but the technical specifications tend to agree with me.

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I compared the specs when the N800 came out. The N800 screen is slightly smaller than that of the 770. The N810 is the same as the N800.



Whether one device is superior to another in the general sense (rather than saying which is superior in something specific, like processor speed) is subjective.

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I have both devices here in front of me. They're the same size.

Let's make it easy, then. The OP mentions both gaming and browsing. Processor speed is basically the only factor worth considering for these when comparing the 770 to other tablets. Would you say the 770 is slower or faster than an N800?

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I would say that question is irrelevant. If my 770 got destroyed today, I'd buy another 770 rather than a N800. Thus, proving that, to me, the 770 is superior.

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Which is fine for you, but I don't believe is very relevant to the OP, which is really the only point in this thread.

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Well, I believe you brought up the issue of "superiority". The point of my first post was to include the OS2007HE in your incomplete list of available OSs.

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Sorry if someone already said it, but the built-in stand is a big whoop. Almost a showstopper.

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Indeed. I use it on the nightstand, my desk, and meetings. Is very nice to have.

Also the better speakers are nice for listening while getting ready in the morning.

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Here are 3 more little features that the n800 has but the n810 doesn't: built-in fm radio, swivel camera, and a standard mini usb connector.

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Wish it was 1GB!

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The N800 and N810 have a 4.13 inch screen. The 770 is frequently described as having a 4.3 inch screen, but this is a misprint. The original Nokia announcement says 4.13 inches for the 770.

Regards,
Roger

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That must have been what happened. I just remember when the N800 specs came out I wanted to compare and contrast with the 770 and I remember the 770 screen was (listed as being) slightly bigger. Thank you.

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The imo biggest difference between N880 and N810, as far as usability is concerned, is the screen. The N800 has a transmissive LCD screen, the N810 has a transflective LCD screen.
Which means that the N810 display is even readable in direct sunlight, while the N800 display isn't. Not even with the backlight cranked up all the way. Just forget about using the N800 outside on a summer day. On the other hand in low light conditions, colours seem to be a bit more vivid on the N800 screen (I guess that's a general issue with transflective screens).

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i was also recently afflicted with the very same condition ... H1N[8]1[0]?

I got an N810 last month. its pretty awesome.

Quoting NAMTASTIC from the infamous ""N810 is totally useless" thread,
...pretty much sums it up. If you have your heart set on it doing one thing awesomely, you will more than likely end up at least a little bit disappointed. However, if you just want one nifty device that can do a multitude of things adequately, the N800/N810 is for you.

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the only good thing out of those three is the swivel camera....

radio: there's never anything good on the radio.

mini-usb connector: granted, it would be nice if the N810 had it, but it DOES come with the micro cable, so it's not that big of an inconvenience...

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I don't know, I used to use the radio a lot. I live in Japan now so and there really isn't a lot on the radio over here.

But, I was myself considering trading up my n800 to an n810 and I decided against it for a couple reasons.

1. The hardware keyboard really wasn't that big of an incentive as I thought. I liked the prospect of having one but after using one for a bit I decided I would be better off investing in a BT keyboard. I like the idea of not having to type with just my thumbs.

2. I heard a lot of people say that the GPS wasn't that great. Granted I would probably use it occasionally it just didn't seem like a good enough reason. I got a BT GPS from a friend who had no more use for it so I have been able to augment that need as well.

3. SD slots. I didn't think it would be a big deal at first but it really was the deal breaker for me. I have an 8gb and a 4gb SD card and I really appreciate the ability to have 8gb of music on the internal and then be able to take out the 4gb while listening to said music to swap files between my laptop and my n800. I suppose I could just use the USB cable but I have a card reader on my laptop and I have to use it for something don't I?

Anyways, if you are looking for a Nokia tablet and you want to do it on the cheap I would suggest going with the n800. Just look in the "buy and sell" section and you will find plenty of n800s with accessories for under $200. I have seen some n800s go on ebay for around $120 as well. Just my two cents though.

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Correct.
Incorrect. The speed depends on the operating system version. N800 runs at 400MHz too, when using OS2008 (e.g. Diablo)
So does the N800. The difference is that N810 uses a micro USB connector instead of mini, and the method for activating usb on-the-go (OTG) is slightly different if I'm not mistaken. But otherwise they're similar.
No. Both have 128MB RAM. The N800 has 2 full-size SD slots, while the N810 has a single mini-SD slot, and instead of the "internal" SD slot that the N800 has the N810 has a fixed-size, non-replacable 2GB flash where the "internal" slot used to be. That's the best way to view the situation, the way I see it.
Correct. The N810 built-in GPS is not very good though.

And as has been mentioned already, the N810 has a transflective screen, which means that it's to some extent possible to see it in direct sunlight.

Oh, and the N800 has a built-in FM receiver, the N810 does not. I think that covers the main differences.

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No, it's only a formfactor change. Pin 5 floating/grounded is still the way OTG is changed.

He was talking about 256MB NAND, but, yes, but have 128MN of RAM, both have 256MB of NAND where the OS, kernel, initfs, etc. are stored.

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I'd say the N810's GPS is close to useless, it never locks anywhere near quickly enough (frequently it never locks at all!). No idea what went wrong there, because all other GPS Nokia devices I've used work fine. For some reason they really messed up with the N810 GPS.

If you're looking for major advantages of the N810 I'd say it's the physical keyboard, the more sun-visible screen, and the generally more "sexy" casing.

If you don't want any of those things, then get the N800 instead as it has more memory card options and a built-in FM radio.

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For me the gps is not useless. Sure my BT GPS gets a fix within a minute but the n810 GPS still locks in a couple of minutes most of the time.

The screen was my main reason to upgrade from an n800 to an n810. I like the keyboard too because I use the Vim editor a lot, which is a pain to do with the onscreen finger keyboard.

It would be better if the n810 had two microsd slots instead of one minisd.

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That was the main thing for me, that the n800 had two SD slots.

I have seem to be using my n800 a lot more outside than I was before and the transflective (right term?) screen was the thing that got me thinking about upgrading.

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i'm getting a 810 soon, and the screen is an issue. it also looks slicker, also less wider.