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fms 2009-05-26 12:45

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo (Post 290416)
Are you aware that nokia selected an ebook reader as one of the fremantle stars?

And what does it have to do with reduced screen size in N900? :)

Texrat 2009-05-26 12:46

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 290367)
OQO is a really beautiful piece of hardware. But when you try to cram all the HW specs you can come up with into one small package, you currently end up with a apprx. 1000 dollar piece that isn't particularly portable or elegant. Think Sony Vaio for a bulkier example. It's a really "nasty" (although I think of it as a really interesting) tradeoff between size, performance and price. A bit like speed, quality and price in SW development: you can have two of them, but not all of them.

Now, hardware is developing all the time. In a few years hardware specs that many have mentioned here become reality in reasonable prices. Minituarization isn't cheap, and it takes some time, that's why they'll always be a couple of years behind the non-minituarized versions. I think the real issue is that they will always be "slower". Trying to run what people run on their "fast" computers as such on "slow" computers - it's all relative - will make it feel slow.

And yet, the N800 came really close-- amazingly close. I dare say if it was refreshed today Nokia could deliver something with acceptable video rates at a lower retail cost than the N800 launch price.

daperl 2009-05-26 12:47

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Oh my god, he wipped out the joystick analogy again. Okay, a few questions, why doesn't Apple have a hardware keyboard? Are 30+ million people wrong or didn't they do their marketing research or both? Or are they in a market that doesn't matter to Nokia?

Texrat 2009-05-26 12:53

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 290397)
"Voters: 60."

I alone have been asked more than 60 times "when are you going to put a phone on that thing"?.

But Quim-- you can't isolate that number vis-a-vis the poll. You have to look at percentages amongst the respondents.

Texrat 2009-05-26 12:58

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by chlettn (Post 290193)
And really, as ragnar mentioned - if devices with 4.1" screens would be thing customers desire, there would be tons more of that sort. I don't see that. And that Nokia is apparently moving away from that size is really telling enough.

Again: that was bad logic on ragnar's part. Very bad.

Jet packs make real good sense for getting around-- so why doesn't everyone have one?

;)

Baloo 2009-05-26 12:59

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
The smaller screen size has been hinted at for some time now, I just can't remember who/where I heard it from but it was official.

skatebiker 2009-05-26 12:59

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by Dr Tran (Post 289677)
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/...s-next-tablet/

Well, we already knew most of the specs already, but there's a bit of new info (if not merge with an old N900 thread)

N900 will have GSM radios and triband 3G with support for T-Mobile.
A full Firefox3 browser
5MP CZ cam, lens cover, LEDx2 flash, 800x480 video

Dates:
* T-Mobile International: July 2009
* T-Mobile USA: August/September 2009
* Middle East, Asia, South-East Asian Pacific: July 2009
* Europe: October 2009

Not a real improvement over the N810.

Plus:
- More memory and faster CPU

Minus:
- GSM module which makes the price much higher and selling in some countries only via one provider.
- Smaller screen
- No multitouch interface

The 5MP camera with a LED flash is just a gimmick as all phones with a camera are. 5+ MP crammed on a matchhead sized sensor can only take reasonable photos in broad daylight.
It is more like an N97 with Maemo (Fremantle) instead of S60v5, which costs over $700 in Europe.

It seems that many devices with GSM module in it are *much* more expensive than without it. E.g. iPod Touch $300, iPhone $600, same hardware with just a GSM chip in it.

Texrat 2009-05-26 13:03

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 290411)
Best practice is to take the entire population of potential consumers - certainly including the current users - and to test amongst them as a whole. The dpad discussion has been discussed to death, but your assumption in this case is simply not correct. Naturally the results of any dpad study also depend on the hardware and the SW running in that hardware. It's about what kind of user experience we want to provide to the users.

Ummm... I'm gonna have to see authority on that, ragnar-- because my own experience as a former product designer was just the opposite: you identify a market SEGMENT, pull your study candidates from that select pool and target them.

Pulling from the population at large gives you a design-by-committee monstrosity that tries to please everyone and irritates them instead.

I guarantee you that while Apple may have tested against a very large sample with the iPhone, they had specific demographics in mind.

Capt'n Corrupt 2009-05-26 13:07

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
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Originally Posted by fms (Post 290404)
On the contrary, recent discussion threads show that we do know what we want.

There are many other threads that indicate the opposite. Right?


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Originally Posted by fms (Post 290404)
"100 bloggers is not a market" is a common argument used to blow off any ideas of user participation in development process. It is, of course, true that 100 people do not represent the whole market. Thus, blindly following what these people say would be unwise. Nevertheless, when you have got 100 people actively using your product on the daily basis, you should at least listen to what these people have to say about the product. They are essentially testing your product for free, finding new use cases and optimal device configurations. Why not use their experience as one of input components during device design is not clear to me.

Who is to say that Nokia hasn't? Who among us knows the metrics Nokia has used to determine which features to include?


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Originally Posted by fms (Post 290404)
For example, when active 100 users are telling you that they want a dpad, the chances are pretty high that the remaining N million potential users will also want dpads.

On that footing it can be equally argued that it is simply an indication of the reluctance of individuals to accept change.

Neither argument has much credibility because they are founded on unvalidated propositions. Unless we conduct research into these assertions, their validity will remain a mystery.


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casper27 2009-05-26 13:10

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Wow this thread is turning into a monster keep having to hit refresh just to keep up. At the moment there are 50 people viewing/taking part.
Screen size hasn't been mentioned on this page yet :-)


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