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The topic (N900 specifications) is inherent about the future. The post you replied to was partly about that in-a-few-months-present and how that is going to be the backwards compatibility of tomorow. Nobody took out your little toy either (802.11abg), and the WWAN you used in 1997 (GPRS) is quality and price wise different than WWAN we (many, many people compared to the number of people who share your experience) have now. And for most of those people it is going like this: WWAN: GSM + HSPA -> LTE. A minority will use WiMAX. And some will use WiFi (802.11abgn) or BlueTooth 3.0, but these are for different purposes because they're WLAN. You, like anyone else, are free to opt usage of WLAN or WWAN technology your device provides. Or buy a device which only provides you the technologies you want. So basically what you and many other nay-sayers want is something like Maemo or Mer as OS, 800x480 screen, OMAP3, 256 MB RAM, dpad, stylus, resistive screen, 2 SD cards, 802.11abg. Sounds like something from past if you ask me... but you want it (typical of mid life crisis, people tend to stick in the past ;) ). Well then why not design that or buy something which suits your needs most.......

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Couldn't have said it shorter! BTW, it is useful to have GSM to call emergency services. VoIP/SIP is less reliable in that regard. Which might improve, and has to by time we use LTE.

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It looks to me like the excluded area is exactly the same as the status bar and side menus. Have you tried doing the same thing, using an actual screen shot of a tablet in window mode, and having the shaded area be in the application window part of the screen shot?

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I believe I can see where you're coming from/what you're getting at, but I'm still not convinced.

For the iPhone/Pre/Android crowd Nokia is obviously shooting for, as I wrote in some other post somewhere, you're probably right.

But for *us*, as you write at the end of that first paragraph ? As in, us here on itt/tmo, already using tablets ? I think we fall in one of two camps.

One is the Wifi-only users, some of which have repeatedly and firmly stated here that they have no mobile phones, and/or want nothing to do with data plans for various reasons. I don't think a "convergence device" will change anything to that.

The other camp is all those who do have a mobile, a data plan, and already tether their tablets. All those things you describe, and more, I have been doing since December of 2005 with my 770 and N8x0. As you say, it *is* a paradigm shift : I actually bought my first personal mobile phone *after* and *for* the tablet, and it's become a way of life.

What I really don't see yet is how this "convergence" thing benefits me, personally.

Do I resent carrying two devices ? No. Sometimes I have three (a 10" netbook).

I already have a phone that does two things the tablets don't : GSM voice and PIM sync at my workplace. Tethering the tablets through it with bluetooth works a charm. Why should I need something else ? I can't think of a good reason, but I have plenty of reasons why I don't...

Let's count :

1) upgradability : tablets still don't have decent competition right now, but phones are a dime a dozen. This is my fourth (second-hand) modem/phone since I got started with the 770. Along the way I went from EDGE to 3G to 3G+. What if I buy a 3G+ N900 this year, and 4G starts rolling out next year ?

2) independence : tablets are unshackled, phones aren't. Over the last two years I switched operators three times in the hunt for the best data plan. What if the N900 is sold by only one operator in my country, like the iPhone was until recently ?

3) dezoning : you could buy (or sell) a 770 or N800 anywhere in the world, it didn't make any difference. With the N810 there is the pesky nag of the keyboard layout, but one may choose to compromise on that. But if your cell radio is CDMA or GSM or whatever, you're pretty well bound to those networks.

4) battery life : two devices means two batteries. The tablet's takes care of computing, the phone's takes care of transmission. And those 3G+ speeds are real greedy leeches. My E71 has the same battery capacity as the tablets - that's twice the juice.

5) versatility : yes, I use my tablet a lot. But sometimes I don't have it with me, or it's just quicker and simpler to whip out the phone for something really simple (weather etc.). The phone also does VoIP more naturally and with less fuss than the tablet. Then again I sometimes spend a day in a meeting with my netbook, which I also tether to the phone for net access. That's three devices I can use that single data plan with ; four, if you count my home desktop when my DSL line is fubared ; six, given that I happen to have three tablets :-)

6) resilience : phone dead ? Buy/borrow another and stick the SIM inside. Stuck in a corner of a room with poor reception ? Position the phone a few meters away near a window and use your tablet/netbook from your seat. Etc.

This all practical, real-life experience. At the moment all that "convergence" stuff is purely virtual to me. Maybe in a year or two I'll see the light and change my mind, but for now it does sound like somebody else pushing their own interests, rather than mine...

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Man, I dunno about your iPod, but in a 5800 it is a problem. Not the accelerometer itself, mind you, but the way it "helpfully" rotates your screen. And I still do not understand how it is related to the smallish screen size planned for N900.

Who told you I am dissatisfied? I am not married to Nokia, so why should I feel strongly about this stuff? In fact, I am cackling evilly at this very moment, enjoying the fact that things are going exactly as I predicted.

Not giving any. First, I was not talking about wanting or not wanting to buy it, but simply of not being the "target audience" for the device. Secondly, notice that I have used "pretty much none of us". So, you've still got your ticket into the target audience lounge :)

Actually, it does, if you consider that many consumers (adults too) would rather save those extra $400.

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This is fun ;)

#1: Nokia wants Maemo to hit a larger user base, making software and hardware costs for using it decrease, which means in time lower prices.

#2: there has been nothing confirmed about the N900, or any Maemo 5 devices for that matter, being shackled to any carriers. For that matter, Nokia makes a very healthy living everywhere not named the US in selling unlocked/unbranded devices. There's no reason to believe they will become a carrier-ho like ** or ******* or *****.

#3: HSPA is GSM. Nokia deals only in GSM unless dealing with Verizon or Chinese operators. Maemo 5 supports HSPA. Ding as a good sign for Nokia here too.

#4: Two devices means you are less efficient power-wise. One device that is optimized to be used hard, is a much better proposition for all, with the exception of some use cases where two devices might better fit the task.

#5: a smaller tablet, or a tablet with a different form factor would cure what ails you ;)

#6: Or just move closer to the window with one device and be ok XD

There's nothing wrong with having your preference, but as you and others will continue to notice - tech is transforming and there are 3 generations of users to cater to. Nokia will choose one group and rock from there. Either it works for you, or you adjust and it works sotra for you. No need to cry that your milk is no longer good enough, just use what works best and be realistic about your expectations based on what you need and can afford.

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The technologies mentioned were bluetooth 3, 802.11n and LTE. I predict you won't be seeing 2 of those in an n900 and LTE will be just 3 letters for the rest of this year. If the HSPA tranceiver in the n900 will work with LTE, great, you'll be all set for 2010. Maybe. But wouldn't it be cool if Nokia would just finish what they've already started? Do you think we needed an n810 WiMAX or a decent browser? Let's walk before we run, fall and break our leg.

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I haven't done anything more than view that pic, (it's not mine), but for some uses, (viewing fullscreen video comes immediately to mind), it's as accurate as can be. For most others, that's up in the air because we don't know what Nokia has done software - wise.

The more I think of it though, the more I think the only way to come up with a satisfactory mock-up is to photoshop a .gif file, with consideration to new/additional or old/ removed components like (side/top) scroll bars, nav bars, etc.

Barring that, screenshots or a youtube vid by qgil or someone at Nokia would be great ! :) ...of course that could extinguish one discussion for another (or more), and probably more heated, of course.

Joe

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Have you tried sweetening the deal with some candy or with help on her homework? You might be able to con her out of that iPod yet! ;)

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Okay, okay - fair play. I know I could learn all the bash-isms (I do use Ctrl-R already), and I know I can edit .inputrc and .vimrc to remap the keyboard.

I'd rather not be forced to learn (or design) a completely new set of basic cursor movement keyboard shortcuts for every single application when every other Linux computer has arrow keys.

But y'all are right - I could probably find work arounds. Just not sure that I want to.


Michael

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Can't we all just agree to disagree? Some people here are happy so are not, no one is going to change anyone's mind on this.

On another note, since it seems like there *may* still be a tablet in the future, why does it have to be released after the phone? Couldn't it just as easily be release at the same time as the phone, or perhaps even before? Perhaps to showcase the new UI or even work out some kinks before the phone hits the stores? If Nokia released a tablet earlier than the phone, it would sell pretty well (at least among us) and they'd get a lot of good feedback to perhaps tweak/fix a few things. Plus it might drum up some good press to get the ball rolling before the phone comes out?

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@allnameswereout

The only obvious thing I think you understand about me is, like everyone, I want to have my cake and eat it too. After that you're blindly throwing poison darts. Here's a quarter.

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That still seems kind of backward to me ... hjkl is the standard (not the work-around), going back to the pre-linux days of unix. If a terminal driven application doesn't support that (*cough*emacs*cough*) it's faulty :-)

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I find it funny that in a forum full of "early adopters" that we're all so resistant to change. Human nature, I guess :D

Mark my words; I predict that, no matter what we might be saying about the form factor described in these (apparently) leaked documents, the actual Maemo 5 devices will change the marketplace forever. Just think of the impact that a fully open Linux phone (including the telephony stack, thank you, oFono) is going to have on the industry!

People who were with me at the Summit can testify that I've been saying this since I heard about it in September 2008. Starting with the lead Maemo 5 device, the mobile industry will never be the same again.

And honestly, I don't think anyone is really ready for the impact it will have. Even with the 9 months of noise Maemo has been making so far.

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Yes lots of people cried, but very few if any left. That is not the case with what we are talking about here. A good segment of the proponents of Nokia internet tablets will find other devices and become detractors if this becomes a reality, if its not all a load of bull.

When the "geeks" leave, it will hurt the platform. I remember when I bought a 770 three years ago, there was no software, less geeks means less software less functionmality.

It also means better competition from other devices where these "geeks" will find there time better spent.

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I'm not going to scroll back through this 750 post thread, but one of the linked articles concerning the "N810 is 3-of-5 strategy" was quite convincing that the market environment is about to reward the open model bigtime.


Joe

Edit: was an affirmation/ response to qole's post, above. This thread moves so fast, I should've used QR. :p

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She is no longer in candy now. She is in Smiley Cirus now. Sad ! sad !

:(

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You know, I know, everybody knows that, given funds enough, 95% of people from this forum will buy that... errr.. thing.
Geeks won't leave; a significant part of them, though, enjoys ranting very much:D
The critical mass of smart and interested people is already here, and when devices get distributed will deflagrate - and it will be the dawn of the new Communicator(s).

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This was the post
I thought it was quite definitive in that the N810 is only the 3rd of 5 tablets.

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Yes, Cap'n Corrupt et al, I easily see why you're excited about a converged device and are willing to sacrifice screen size for pocketability. I bet every "whiner" here gets it and that none of us would argue that Nokia should not come out with such a device.

But there's clearly another group for whom screen size, price (both for hardware and monthly fees), and separation from a cellphone are important.

What I don't get is AJRWright's conclusion that "Nokia will choose one group and rock from there."

It isn't as if Nokia makes only 5 phone models; they make a slew, many of which overlap in terms of target audience. Why walk away from a unique hardware niche? Why not choose more than "one group"?

I'm happy for those who want an open Linux converged device. I can't see why "my group" can't likewise get an updated NIT. I want you to have your cake and for us to have ours, too.

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Then it seems I've completely misunderstood which post you were replying to. Sorry.

But since you asked: Honestly, I'd rather have Nokia provide the N810 WiMAX (and I'd rather clearsprintxohm hadn't botched it royally with delays) and let the community provide a browser. Bundyo doesn't have the resources to produce shiny hardware, and Nokia doesn't have the freedom to start work on Tear when they're already committed to a Gecko browser.

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I do not resist "change". I resist a big regression in what is supposed to be the next device in a line of devices that I use a lot.
A small screen is a big regression - the big screen was the defining detail of the line so far.

To anyone who suggests "hold the device closer to your eyes", I can only suggest - replace your desktop screen with an 8" screen and look closer. Replace your living room TV with a 4" set and sit closer. Buy the microfilm version of your favourite book and hold it closer to your eyes. That's how much sense the "hold it closer" suggestion make.

[QUOTE]
Mark my words; I predict that, no matter what we might be saying about the form factor described in these (apparently) leaked documents, the actual Maemo 5 devices will change the marketplace forever. Just think of the impact that a fully open Linux phone (including the telephony stack, thank you, oFono) is going to have on the industry!
[QUOTE]

Will it be an open phone? Will the t-mobile version allow you to add any repository in application manager? Will it install easyroot package from extras? Will this package even be in extras? Will trying to install a package not approved by Nokia/t-mobile warn you that you will lose your warranty?

I am not willing to bet on the answer to any of those questions.

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Good point FPP - there are many advantages to having seperate devices for seperate needs - as also advantages to having an all-in-one device (of course I am not including the kitchen sink into it).

I was also againt convergence when I used the Zaurus (starting from Zaurus 5800 the dev version). I liked the laptop style keyboard of the clamshell Zaurii. I never thought I would want a phoen witha PDA together. I never even though I would want a camera with a phone together.

But its those same real-life situations which made me go for a N95 - exoplicitly for a decent instant-available camera on a phone together (cause as you can guess in real candid situations, I found I didn't have my largish camera with me all the time). That was one point when convergence won me over.

Same goes with my phone tethered to my N810. Since I have a phone all the time, sometimes I leave or forget my IT when out and about - and lo and behold I need to access the full internet, or I need to post a blog with photos or something for which the IT is much more nifty than the phone itself. Or sometimes I had my IT, but didn't carry my phone for some obscure reason- and damn the IT was like a brick for me at that time.

Right there I feel if I had my phone-camera into the IT itself - it would save me at these moments when I missed out one or the other.

So overall convergence is not a take-it-or-leave-it choice. Its a choice we slowly adapt to considering the situations we face and the lowering of the price and technology barriers to having all-in-one devices.

Can you consider that around 10-20 years ago cell phones didn't have SMS capabilities into it. It was JUST a phone. Would you carry such a phone today ?

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Yes, but the community has also been told by Nokia employees that the five step plan for Maemo that Ari Jaaksi outlined so many moons ago shouldn't be looked upon as some sort of holy scripture. The five steps illustrated Nokia's plans at the time of that presentation; however, that was a geological era or two ago in the fast moving mobile market, and Nokia may well have adjusted their timeline and strategy since.

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My worry is the crater size from such an impact

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... like they may have skipped what was supposed to become "Step 4" (including the Maemo-version that would accompany it) . Somebody once said this was what happened in 2008.... Oh, it was me! ;)

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After pondering the possibility of a maemo phone, I find myself looking forward to its possibility. I would like a phone that gives me access to the command line, understands python gtk and/or qt and lets me install open source apps alongside Nokia apps or purchasable apps. If the phone can do this, I may end up getting one.

In fact with such a phone, I suspect the N810 may start to gather dust alongside my Zaurus.

Do you know how many internet tablets or zaurii I have seen in the wild? Zero. The number of people I see each day with an iphone or blackberry or in the past a treo is too numerous to count.

When I first got my internet tablets I kept going back to my Zaurii and pining away for all the features of the Zaurus I had come to love. You know what, after using the N810 for awhile now, I don't use my Zaurus. Although I still have nostalgia for the Zaurus and the community built up around it. What I found is that while I lost some things that the Zaurus had, I gained some other uses I hadn't envisioned or appreciated.

I suspect with the N900 it will be the same. Some features will be lost; however, the N900 will potentially enable so many other uses that I expect I'll look back at the N810 with nostalgia but won't pull it out too much.

For me personally, I think that 3.5 in versus 4 in is close enough that what I use the N810 for I'll be able to use the N900 for. Yes the smaller screen may make web surfing a bit more difficult -- but I also haven't heard anyone complain about being able to use a web browser on a blackberry or a an iphone.

Also, for me I have some uses for which a 4 in screen is not enough and for which I would like a larger screen. For a desktop in the pocket, something like a UMID with Linux may work for me and would be a complement to a mameo phone. For reading unflowable pdfs, couch surfing, and perhaps pulling out at the hotel to do some light office work over citrix I need a 7 to 10 in screen in a thin tablet with a bluetooth or detachable keyboard. That is a niche that hasn't been filled yet for me, although the Touchbook looks intriguing.

My vision is to be able to choose my device based on what I am doing, but to have one set of data (not on someone elses's servers). When I get home, the phone communicates with the tablet so I can pick up the tablet and all my data is there. I can do work on the tablet, grab the phone and all my new data is there. I get in the car, the phone communicates with my GPS device with a bigger screen so I can pull up a new contact and meeting location and get directions.

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I've only been using Linux/Unix since 1996 or so. I guess I'm a youngster then :)

No machine I've ever used has had the shell configured to use vim mode by default.


Michael

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Assuming the rx-51 actually is the leaked device here, I'm willing to bet it will do fine as its own product. The crux will be "is this the ONLY new Maemo device". If the rx-71 is a more "traditional" sized/featured NIT, then I bet all will be fine within the Maemo community.

If the rx-71 is the rumored Nokia netbook instead of being a NIT ... then I'll be happy (because it fits my device strategy), but I understand that the rest of you probably wont be :-}

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The mobile industry could use a few more smoking craters. Germany emerged from WWII as an industrial powerhouse because all of their legacy equipment had been cratered in the war.

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A high-resolution screen was more defining for me, anyway. Compared to the iPhone, the screen is only 31% bigger, but has 150% more pixels.

Sure -- where can I find a couple of 8" monitors? I'll need a 1920x1440 and a 1632x1224. (The latter can/should be 7", though.)

First, you're suggesting scaling by a factor of 3 -- I'm suggesting a factor of 1.15. That's 8 times as much extrapolation, with much higher risk of exceeding the linear region, so a lot more people will be unable to do it.

Second, you're either proposing a dramatic reduction in pixel count, or hypothesizing unavailable screens -- and I'm serious, I would be willing to give it a shot, if I could get monitors with that kind of dot pitch.

Third, there are constraints due to the sorts of desks many of us work at; is there room for a monitor 3 times closer, or will it be sitting on top of the keyboard? For handhelds, the controls move with the screen.
Which is a shame, because I'd be quite willing to bet on favorable answers to several of those, and it sounds like you're thinking the other way.

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I totally agree. I may be nitpicking on the minor features of an unreleased device, but the future is almost here, and it is very exciting.

Even if the N900 on launch isn't as open as it can ideally be, I believe it will be one huge step in the direction of mobile openness. One step at a time...


Michael

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well... that, and the US paid to rebuild them. Without that step, they wouldn't have come out of WWII quite as nicely. Plus, some of their bridge economy came from some of those legacy factories that didn't get completely wiped out (volkswagen had a long period of using pre-war designs to revitalize itself).

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Preface: we are talking about an unfinished OS for a rumored device that has not been officially confirmed except in the offical beta of the unofficial OS ;)

Every product is designed for ONE group of users. Marketers, psychologists, and product designers come to a consensus after some measure of research whom they want to target. The device is made and marketed for them alone.

Those other groups that are close to that targeted group display varying levels of interest in the product/service, and from there design/marketing enchancements are made in an effort to further define the core of the product while making the ONE group a larger net than was originally cast.

With Maemo, this is pretty clear that it was the philosophy, and in reinventing the platform for Maemo 5 and beyond, another look was taken at the potential users and developers and some target was identified. Not everyone in this current group will qualify as those who are targeted for this release (speaking of the OS). However, the family of devices (hey, remember when that comment was made; I don't have a link off hand) is unveiled, those who might not like the software completly would be marketed to because the hardware is the compelling factor - this can also work in reverse.

No one has confirmed the specs, nor anything more than two possible devices. No hardware configurations, nor screen sizes, or anything else for that matter that you can purchase right now is certain. What is certain is that Nokia has targeted A group for this release, and while there is some overlap with the current fourm of users, its not meant to include all of them. If you want Nokia to make a device that works for you, appear on their front doorstep with a few billion and a convincing marketing case for them making a few billion more when you leave their presence, and show them how to make that device.

I will say though, you are probably 7 years behind where they are thinking, so you better hurry up and get that billion to their door now ;)

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I'm not going to defend the smaller screen in the leaked specs, but you've gotten me thinking...

People are doing that with netbooks now, aren't they?

Our very community here now commonly watches movies and shows on 4" screens. Movies and shows that--only a few years ago--we would have watched on big, living room TVs.

The Internet--on personal, small screen, lean in computers--cut into shared, big screen, sit back television time. But the computers weren't small enough and couldn't take the Internet too enough places, so they shrank to netbooks.

MP3 players were an early indicator--allowing owners to trade in audio quality to make their music portable and more personal. Now it's clear the trend is spreading and accelerating.

I'm running into more and more folks who are canceling their cable or satellite television service as Hulu and torrents suit their needs. And among those who have kept traditional television service, there's a growing interest in Slingbox/HAVA devices that deliver the goods to personal, portable, small screens.

I'm still in favor of a ~4-inch tablet screen, rather than a ~3.5-inch phone screen, but there's definitely a growing crowd of "I want everything in my phone" folks out there. Here's hoping Maemo delivers what that crowd wants, explodes in popularity, and still gives us tablet obsessed faithful what we need.

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Yup, I'm an old fart all right, so set in his ways he can't even see the writing on the wall.

But you, my friend, sound just like the young Bob Dylan is the sixties :
Just look at him now :-)

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Desperado, why dont you come to your senses?
You been out ridin fences for so long now
Oh, youre a hard one
I know that you got your reasons
These things that are pleasin you
Can hurt you somehow

Don you draw the queen of diamonds, boy
Shell beat you if shes able
You know the queen of heats is always your best bet

Now it seems to me, some fine things
Have been laid upon your table
But you only want the ones that you cant get

Desperado, oh, you aint gettin no youger
Your pain and your hunger, theyre drivin you home
And freedom, oh freedom well, thats just some people talkin
Your prison is walking through this world all alone

Dont your feet get cold in the winter time?
The sky wont snow and the sun wont shine
Its hard to tell the night time from the day
Youre loosin all your highs and lows
Aint it funny how the feeling goes away?

Desperado, why dont you come to your senses?
Come down from your fences, open the gate
It may be rainin, but theres a rainbow above you
You better let somebody love you, before its too late!


I don't know, it just somehow seemed appropiate ;)

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You take note about the plans of WWAN providers in your home/work/travel area.

Not here. I bought my phone unbranded and without SIM lock. Yes, it is a bit more expensive then, but you get back liberty.

If you go to an other country for a long time you ask your agent/employer to give a temporary device, you use your phone which is not SIM locked with a local SIM-only card, or you buy a cheap device from a local store. Or you use the WLAN on your device. The WiFi on a phone will work in the same regions as the Nokia 770 or Nokia N8x0. Dezoning exists, and will always exist. For example, don't take a GPS device with you to Egypt.

Yes, this is nice, you could put a N810 battery in your E71 and continue. Or the other way around. But you can also take with you a reserve battery instead of the N810. Given the N900 is a Nokia device the battery is replacable... yay!

Wether you have N900 plus to tether netbook, laptop, PC, DAP or wether you have E71 to tether N810, netbook, laptop, PC, DAP doesn't make a huge difference versatility wise.

Maybe you better build a portable 3G <-> WLAN/BlueTooth AP. :)

..and then see a glass washer steal your phone from the window. ;)

If you lie down on your left or right side and have your head on the pillow you look to the device normal while the accelerometer thinks you're looking in a 90 degrees angle. It doesn't know its owner is lying in this position. Its an exception really, and justifies the ability to put off the accelerometer like you can put off a GPS or BlueTooth.

So it is a software problem?

Because being able to change your mode from landscape to portrait allows you to use your screen better in some circumstances.

Its not exactly clear how many potential customers are former Maemo/NIT users. Former OpenMoko customers might just as well be interested in Nokia N900.

Save extra $400? Then don't buy any mobile device... ;) it just doesn't make sense to compare a $200 entry level touchscreen phone to a $600 flagship product.

Get your stuff together and develop some concensus on the alternative user scenarios. I mean that with the hardware specifications included. If you can do that it might open Nokia's eyes. Or, someone else will see a viable business in the concept. The source code is out there... (Maemo/Mer)

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(scratching head now) What pillow? Did I mention any damn pillows? All I said was that automatic screen rotation does not even work well in similar Nokia devices.

And how does it put more text onto the screen without making it smaller (and thus less readable)?

Oh, really? :) As far as I am concerned, the only difference between "entry level" (5800) and "flagship" (N97) is the keyboard (and the fact that sturdier 5800 will last longer). The rest is marketing garbage few people care about, no matter what marketing gurus say. And, speaking of touchscreen phones, how does N900 fit here? The way I see it, N900 is an N97 with Linux. Is Linux going to be its selling advantage? If you worked in marketing, would you dare to build your marketing campaign on top of this "advantage"?

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Now here's a good example of differences of opinion. To me...

Well, I heard some people talkin' just the other day
And they said you were gonna put me on a shelf
But let me tell you I got some news for you
And you'll soon find out it's true
And then you'll have to eat your lunch all by yourself
'Cause I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo

Seemed like it may be more appropriate. :D

...woo, hoo,hoo, heh... now, woo,hoo,hoo