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I beg to differ. Go check out all the polls in the recent 48 hrs. You will see a greater than 85% majority for the larger screens. See the response of almost 1000 posts in 2 days. The community definitley wants a larger screen. The problem is some people think that some of the community is against a maemo phone. But that is only if nokia gives us a maemo phone only without the tablet. But if nokia stays loyal to the tablets and releases another maemo tablet i think everyone will be absolutely happy.

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Everytime I read all the post from the Nokia folks I could not help but think "Thou does protest too much!" and so I think they have confirmed our fears:smaller screen, no tablet anytime soon.

I dont want a small screen by either having advertisers taking it or having it physically reduced.

However, I did not see a similar poll before this announcement, or non-announcement, so its hard to compare consistency in our community wants.

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Besides-- what keeps ads from ultimately taking over the smaller screen? :p

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Nothings for sure but why give up the war when you merely lost one skirmish?

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Some (probably most?) of us were fortunate enough to start using Linux this decade - I have never seen a Linux device with a planar UI (text or graphics) that didn't have something that functions as arrow keys (Although the SmartQ 5 and 7 appear to be that way‽)
As such the idea of learning a bunch of sets of alternate navigation keys that various apps might provide is very unappealing to me. In fact because of this and the other things I wouldn't know how to do without arrows, I might very well consider it a dealbreaker if there really is no equivalent on at least one of the new devices - and I've seen mixed evidence. An official Yes or No (without details) would be really awesome.
Note however that this is from the perspective of using my tablet as a laptop replacement sometimes - to me it's a Linux computer.

Slightly off-tangent: emacs and vi, Not to start a flamewar but I personally find them both unusable. To me an application with a UI fails if a new user who accidentally typed the command could not be reasonably expected to figure out how to even exit without looking it up. Nano is the second thing I install on a newly flashed tablet after root access. That said I believe that people who are used to those programs can use them very efficiently compared to me and my 'user-friendly' choice - I just want my intuitive arrow keys.

Anyway, for my musical contribution to the thread, I have had this in my head for a while - seems to cover the mood here pretty well:

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Sorry, but I haven't liked the lyrics that are being quoted in this thread (except for the Dylan).

The song going thru my head is one that I first heard (In English) in a Moscow record store, LOUD! Most of you have problably heard it, it's the one with the repeated lyrics: "Burn, mfkr, burn." You can probably decode that -- hey, this is a family site!

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I do hope that's not an assessment of the thread ;)
(At least my song is just about a bunch of yelling :p )

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It is the same, as far as amount of displayed text is concerned.

As I said before, unless you are bent on having Linux and have specific preference to certain chipsets, go for Nokia 5800. Believe it or not, there are very few people who absolutely want a specific chipset and operating system in their phones. In fact, there must be fewer such people than the ones reading books on their devices.

Well, reiterating what I said before (it does not appear to sink in) N97 and 5800 are essentially the same thing, so you can just as well compare with 5800.

Now, I have not seen Maemo5, but judging from Maemo4, we are at the very least going to be missing a functional mail client (Modest is a sad joke), decent music player (builtin Maemo4 player is...mm...simple), reliable GPS, office apps, PIM, and the mapping application (S60e5 has got Nokia Maps).

You are getting desperate, you know? :) I am not even sure what you meant with that. What does RDP/VNC have to do with the daily mobile device use routine by "normal" users?

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May I ask how you are going to control games on a device missing the dpad? hjkl? :)

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Oh come on, that's easy. It has an accelerometer! Just use the whole device like a Wiimote!

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I imagine that d-pad directional keys could be emulated by thumb gestures upon the eye of the device camera, instead of on the touch sensitive screen. Also the enter key could be emulated by a double hit on the camera, maybe.
Of course some developer should code it :)

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Did you know that even a Wiimote itself has a d-pad? :)

I think you have just invented the optical pointing stick! Somebody get that patent to the FSF!

That might work well to control a mouse pointer, I don't know about keystrokes though.

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with all respect, but this is insane.... I don't think it ist practicable to wave the device around wich includes the screen you are using to play.....

Regards,
Glasswalker

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No, of course not. That's ridiculous. You have to hold it firmly between your two hands.

... and hop, bend, and weave around with your whole body!

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I don't know. My keyboard doesn't have a dpad either, how do I control games with it? :)

There are so many possibilities. Emulator games I actually usually play with something like wasd for movement and letters on the right side for action buttons. If anything a keypad makes this better, because I can hit all keys with my thumbs as on a regular control pad.

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OK.. say good bye to mobile gaming.... please try to imagine yourself on the train.... hopping around, bending in every direction.... Can you really say that would't be ridiculous?

Regards,
Glasswalker

Edit: I can see dead typos......

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Have you personally tried controlling a traditional game written to be played via a gamepad with accelerometer? Hint: you can try that on a Nokia 5800.

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:eek: Now you tell me. No wonder they've been staring at me like that.

I thought they were laughing with me.

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:confused: How are these two issues related?
The ad would be on your home screen only and not be visible when you start an application. - Also, as seen from the concept screenshot, it would only be part of a panable screen area, so it wouldn't even always be visible. Plus, you could choose a non-subsidized phone without an ad if it really annoys you.

A smaller screen doesn't suddenly get larger when you start an application. You also cant make it bigger by paying the full price.

So what's the point you're trying to make?

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I never use the d-pad as it was intended. What we all would miss if it was removed though would be the use of the 5 hardware keys that can be re-mapped for specific applications. :)

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Just be careful not to hit your nose when you shake your device.

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I don't think they'd be there on the home screen. They'd be there in the application itself. It is a choice of the user to see advertisements or buy the application via a license, and I find this choice (while I'd like to know before I test/try an application) otherwise a fair choice.

Besides, ads can be blocked if they pass that thin line between funny/useful/informative and BLO.oDY IRRITATING

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I can just imagine the pick up lines that'd spawn ...

"hey, baby, I've got a wiimote in my pocket, wanna see?"

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If its being billed as a high end device (upstaging the N97 - then I can bet it will have quad-band GSM and that should make it work with most carriers.
Of course I dont know as much about Europe and Asia frequencies - but Quad band does cover most of the frequencies.

And like MobileDivide mentioned - most Nokia phones are always available unlocked as an option.

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Hey, so we would have a NokiaFit game to get all us geeks into shape ? Great, I am in as a customer :D

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When I saw N800 and N810 I was asking myself how d_mb Nokia marketing can be to not put a 3G data at least and even voide on that nice tablets, because without those the tablet looses the big sales channel of the big-fat-rich operators. Now Nokia is back on track with this laptop-tablet-phone. And yes, this will be unique because of OpenOffice, big resolution and all the nice Linux and QT and KDE programs that can be ported.
I was saving for N97, that has a very nice form with the screen-tilt, but just 128 MB RAM and symbian OS, and I prefer to wait a little longer and get this Maemo beauty with 256 MB.

Does anybody know when this device will be released? In the leaked information it was June-July, but also they talk about a possible delay. When will be this device out?

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I think it's a great idea, but would probably need specific hardware support. The problem, as I see it, is that the picture would be very, very dark with your thumb over the camera.

fnord

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I am sort of repeating myself, but that is one of the funny things about this remarkable thread. Those of us who support the current screen size are in a way just repeating the things we have been saying for years -- one of the wonderful things about the Nokia tablets is the screen size.

But suddenly a bunch of people are jumping in and saying that this is bs, screen size is not important, reading on a tablet is not important, these are just niche items. And THEY are claiming to support Nokia now.

In some ways, these esteemed people are talking like they have conferenced and developed talking points to use against the supporters of the Nokia Internet Tablet as we knew it. It's kind of like political threads, in which people use pre-rehearsed arguments, obviously having learned the technique from Communist Party propaganda techniques back in the 1950s, even if they weren't around then.

Those of us who have supported Nokia here also have our talking points too, because we have been arguing for the Nokia Internet Tablet for years. But it's strange that there are so many of these aliens now.

(Disclaimer: I have nothing against aliens. It's those antennae that I find disconcerting.)

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Nokia Internet Tablet Users have been pay to play beta testers for years. I just kind of assumed this hard work would pay off some day. Well perhaps I should rephrase that, pay off some day for me. I am hoping this is still all just bad information..

We have always been a vocal group. I seriously wonder though, if the phone community can really handle an internet tablet and all its wonderful flaws. I'll give you the 810 is very stable now, but there was flakiness first firmware release. Now updates can be done on the fly, but now your phone is subject to your Internet tablets problems. Install something wrong I can live without my tablet until its repaired, reflashed whatever, but will I still be able to call for help if my internet tablet phone does not boot?

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Wow. I can't think of a more perfect example of a paranoid rant than that.

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I'm in a very unusual situation now in that I have misplaced my N810 in my house, and my N800 suddenly won't boot!

So, this seems to be a good time to go cold turkey and kick the habit.

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LOL, I've been trying to go cold turkey for a couple months (broke my 810's screen) -- it isn't easy living w/o my n810.

Since the N900 doesn't support CDMA (my cell provider) it might be a waste for me. I'm not switching cell providers as the provider I'm with has the best reception where I live. I'm "hoping" either a CDMA version will come out; or a tablet version will come out. Otherwise, I'm sol.

Nathan

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Yet another argument in support of providing a sync-dependent tablet...

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I had a paranoid friend (who ended up in Camarillo, a mental institution), who told me that the mafia had put a radio transmitter in the LSD he took and were broadcasting his thoughts and were after him.

I think that's more perfect.

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How might the N900's vibration function will be used (assuming there is one)?


YARR!
}:^)~
purcort

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Force feedback when using it as a dancing wiimote.

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Here here! Exactly my situation... and I'm not interested in changing providers. I've been shouting that all along but I increasingly feel like the attitude will be, 'then don't use the radio'.. can I also not PAY for the damned part I'll never use?

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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. i.e. Calling someone paranoid doesn't necessarily mean it's an unwarranted paranoia.

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Silent notifications I assume. I'm sure any program can call to it. J2ME games have been using plain ol' cell phone vibrators for years.

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Now back to flogging this poor horse...

@pb... in all the time that you have used the tablets have you ever had to buy an application? :cool:

I bought my N800 on day one because of the hardware. It was the same reason I bought an iPAQ a year before that. I had a company supplied phone and I found a way to tap into its always on internet connection. Once the manufacturer offered BT phones I knew what I needed. :)

The thing is my first BT handheld device the iPAQ ran WinMo 2003. That OS was obsolete within a year and the iPAQ's hardware could not run the newer version. On top of that I was nickeled and dimed for about another $200, in addition to the $400 purchase price, for simple apps to give me weather, a scientific calculator, a decent file explorer, and utilities that should have been included with the dang OS in the first place. :eek:

With my N800 the OS has had major upgrades 3 times and with the exception of the truly worthless Navicore (Wayfinder) app, I have spent absolutely nothing for my software. Over 450 titles are maintained and Nokia could cease to exist tomorrow and I'm pretty sure Mer development would stay on schedule...

That's a pretty good payback for being a pay for play beta tester if you ask me.

Of course YMMV :)

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Thxxxx YoDude !
Maemo rocks !