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This is the part I'm surprised about - that Nokia thinks they can get a stable Maemo phone this soon with seamless and hesitation free interaction between telephony functions and the rest of the device. Or maybe they don't and it will be as buggy as the 770 was at first...

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The community we all belong to rocks!

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True that^...

Unless the beta testers were all aliens and there is a parallel universe. :) I can't see how a Maemo phone won't need massive amounts of community support.

That is why I believe because of price, availability, and the durability of the Diablo devices it will be 3 or 4 months before any veterans of the display wars will contribute any thing meaningful. During that time this community will shrink or only this dang thread will grow and the Maemo phone will go over like a fart in an elevator.

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Mind control. With the option cranial insert accessory.

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Well, you put it in your pocket ...

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I suspect Nokia will release it when it's ready. Remember nothing has been announced yet.

By the By: This video shows that the N97 indeed uses a BP-4L battery. It may be an indication that the N900 may use the same (similar size), which could mean a spare battery for most of the folks here who purchase one.


YARR!
}:^)~
2Cs

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After the Capt'n posts his google talk user ID as a sticky on t.m.o ;]

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Finally I could catch up on this long thread (at the expense of my Danish sleeping time).

There was one post that got many thanks that started saying...

Yes, this is part of a real story.

The rest of your post borders pure fantasy though, in the category of Conspiracy Theory. That's ok since being outside of the Maemo team you have no easy way to check the facts. From the inside is clear though that the core people that had a brilliant idea and pursued it through the first Maemo releases and Internet Tablets are more or less the same that are pushing Fremantle, Harmattan and compatible devices.

Some concepts and ideas are just the same, some others have naturally evolved with the experience, releases, data acquired, feedback received and lessons learned. Innovation and business as usual.

I can't speak for everybody, but I would say all the old-timers involved in Fremantle development think Maemo 5 and the hardware coming with it are the right steps forward. We have never got the kind of discussions you are having here at length and this makes me think that most of you will be just as excited when you get the real stuff we are working on announced, explained and working in your hands.

And now I should really go to sleep.

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t.m.o? Two mating octopi? ... I considered that... :D


YARR!
}:^)~
10Cappies

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TMO bile :D :D

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Quim, is there any chance you can reveal accurate sales numbers for the 770/N800/810? Nobody seems to know for certain, and there exist some arguments for XXX based on big sales, while the exact opposite arguments exist for "marketing division fail(s),*" as it was put in that post to which you referred. Besides, I am curious personally.

Thanks,

Joe


* of course the two are not mutually exclusive.

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No. Same level of crazy.

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Thank you. http://www.clicksmilies.com/auswahl/ernaehrung004.gif

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When you don't have arguments, try insults.

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Back to the lyrics! :)

Tom Petty "crawling back to you"

Im so tired of being tired
Sure as night will follow day
Most things I worry about
Never happen anyway

EDIT

I like this line also from the same song

Tryin to say to me
That Im gonna be alright, if I believe in you

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You mean insults like characterizing the people on the opposite side of the discussion as being mere talking-point generating drones in the mold of 1950's communist propaganda artists?

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OK, guys, take it Outside

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Sales numbers are announced by Nokia business representatives so no, we can't share that information here. But it doesn't really matter for the topic of discussion: Maemo and the Internet Tablets have sold enough to keep this team growing in terms of size and weight in the Nokia organization and strategy.

If you want to continue this discussion please do it in a different thread dedicated to it. Thanks!

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I thought you were sleeping? ;)

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It's certainly a very ambitious project - just to name a few high-risk and/or relatively untested components (and I'm sure I'm forgetting several):

• OpenGL-accelerated xorg (probably the top cause of instability on Linux machines in general)
• UBIFS
• Upstart
• Completely overhauled power management
• OHM
• Phonet & Ofono
• stlc45xx
• Clutter
• Metatracker
• gUPnP
• Pulseaudio
• gst-openmax

and as you say telephony integration presents several hard challenges - eg there's a several second latency between the network and the UI in SIP/Jingle calls on the current devices, which operators would certainly find unacceptable.

Not to mention all the extra hardware, but at least the N97 is beta-testing that for us ;-)

But you know, it has to be said that they are doing things right this time. Notice that all of the above components are open source and most have been developed or at least funded by Nokia. Griping about UIs and form factors aside, Fremantle and the devices it will run on are pretty exciting stuff. It takes guts to include all that in a single iteration, and I really hope they can pull it off!

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I just don't get the secrecy around numbers of a past sold product. Sure, we see the hiring going on around Maemo, we see a new version forthcoming, which is part 4 out of a 5 step process towards a mainstream product.

Yet... we can find numbers of the other N-series sold if we pry hard enough. But this one, in the community nonetheless is a secret.

Just doesn't make sense. No canned response so far makes sense either. "Enough"... "growing"... I'm sorry. But it does matter. The Apple G4 Cube saw two internal revisions, two CPU levels... had a cult following; yet it was a flop. The numbers were "hidden" from most in that release mainly because it was a niche release and ultimately a flop.

Not saying the NIT's are a flop; but they're not mainstream either. And if Nokia keeps losing money and walk away from the NIT platform, or at least dev further into the NIT platform... not knowing these numbers might be important to give some people an understanding of why things happen in the future.

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I usually prefer to comment on facts rather than rumors but I have to said that I loved reading this part of your message ;)

Thanks Quim and thanks to the nokia maemo team

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I believe that NIT are more or less a FLOP.
Otherwise there would be no good reason to hide the sales numbers.

In France almost nobody have ever heard about NIT.
The very few geeks who tried it had old versions of Maemo and very few interesting apps, so they believed and told everybody the same things that you can read in every review on the Web :

"NIT COULD BE INTERESTING BUT IS USELESS AND SUCKS"
- the only thing it can do quite well is web browsing
- it can NOT replace a PDA because of no PIM app
- it can NOT replace a media player because of poor video (which is not so bad but nobody knows it)
- it can NOT replace a handheld computer ...

All of this is false, N810 is the best PDA I ever got ... but this is only true because of the community around Maemo.

Nokia didn't advertise properly about NITs and focused on an extremely limited use : web browsing via WIFI. But in most cases, we don't have acces to WIFI ... even in Paris streets. And most of the people wouldn't spend so much money just for in bed or sofa or toilets home browsing.

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The N800 sold faster than expected.

They "flopped" because very little was spent on promotion. The N800 was actually successful within the limited expectations and support they enjoyed.

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You could remove "properly".

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The market numbers (and loyalty) generated by the Maemo philosophy is "market research in action," so whatever success nokia has in this area would be a company secret, because it's one more step that other companies need to take but won't now because the area is largely unexplored. That's a small but nonetheless very significant hurdle, (think about trying to justify the expense of a Maemo type model to a CEO/ CFO, especially when open model is so against the grain of anybody leadng a large company). So Nokia is glad to "Let them do their own FOSS based market research." The longer those companies sit unaware, the longer Nokia has to get the tuning "just right."

While I think you may be correct, I hope the main reason they won't reveal these numbers is because they are experiencing more success than they want to reveal, along with a Nokia desire to cultivate this business model unharassed.


Joe

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-> there will be devices, able to run symbian and maemo?

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The more I think about it the less it fits, actually. Either the Fremantle SDK is missing HUUUGE amount of components that are needed for a proper phone or... or... the phone functionality is done via virtualization. Sounds crazy enough ? Remember, we've seen VMWare virtualize full OSes on an N800 a few months back. I can fully imagine a Symbian/Maemo hybrid. Why settle for one OS when you can have more ? You get to keep Ovi store, Symbian PIM functionality and other goodies Nokia already has while leveraging Maemo's linux heritage at the same time. Now, that would be a quite a revolutionary approach, wouldn't it ?

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Hey, mainstream is not the opposite of flop. In fact flop and mainstream operate on completely different planes.

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So its the community that made maemo what it is?

I thought it was power management??

Without this community, there would have been no 810, too many people felt like beta testers, but the community made the devices useful. Not Nokia, they only gave us a buggy base to start from.....

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I thought you were the one who started with insults.... And talking about antennas - maybe the ones who are for the phone are better tuned to the future, thanks to their antennas.

Going back to your original post #868 - there are no talking points either camp is talking about. Its just the need for voice and a better camera as against the trade-off for a smaller screen that everybody is debating. I don't see any talking points - let alone the "communist" angle slap that you put on.
And with the way PDA's/tablet devices are merging with communication devices (its been a long steady trend) and other products like the netbook and kindle like devices are filling in the gaps, it doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - antennas or a licked finger in the air notwithstanding.

And both sides have valid points - and that the point of a forum rather than trying to label each other with meaningless labels.

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I am excited about that line too .. does this mean maybe like Android, Nokia will licence the OS (Freemantle , Harmattan) to other manufacturers and we can see other manufacturers filling in the tablet space while Nokia concentrates on the Phone-like device space ? Is this possible with the way Freemantle will have open as well as closed components in it ? That would be even better for Maemo than looking to Nokia itself for all Maemo based hardware.

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a device for Fremantle and a device for Harmattan. I fail to see how this suggests multiple devices for Fremaantle alone?

As for the sales numbers, I have in the past also asked Quim for these numbers. He says that he does not have them. I believe him.

He is the Marketing Manager for Maemo software, not for Nokia hardware. I also notice perhaps this title has changed?? I keep seeing "Quim Gil Opensource advocate" Perhaps this is for when not representing Nokia?

Either way, I don't think there is any large conspiracy to keep the numbers from supporting anyone's talking points. It's just business as usual...

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Gnaaaaaarglllll, Pinguin, you really don't want to understand what i mean ...

Was it really buggy or just ultra-limited in function ?

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You should meet my wife, she will tell you, I am an antagonist. ;) Although, you could also as Texrat, Council, Quim, and many many others. I am almost as annoying as the French, poke poke. ;)


Both! The n800 went through HELL during the data corruption bug. I WAS pissed as were MANY many others.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=10178

Seriously I have been here since January 2006. I have agreed and disagreed with most of the people here, sometime vigorously. We always come back to the thing that keeps us together. I think many people are afraid that this thing that brings us together, might have just left them out. (again all the speculation, Nokia will either deliver or screw the pooch.) Either way, this is not like 2006. In 2006 Nokia 770 was the shITT, nothing even close. 2009 and 2010 are not the same markets. Only time will tell.

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Does any one have any idea on the price of this thing in the UK and would it be sim-free or attached to a network?

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Pinguin, don't poke-poke too much the french gay newbie ... :D He could like it.

Well, as I got my first NIT very recently, all the bugs were already solved, and now the system is a joy to use. I find it more reliable than Win Mo and even Palm OS (since Garnet, it wasn't so reliable anymore).

The only thing I could have complained is that when you get the device, it doesn't do much without adding apps, even for basic uses as PIM ...

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Penguinbait, by your logic, haven't we all been beta-testers for a large number of commercial products, especially for software? Granted, those are then fixed by the company in-house, but still ...

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Well I am not sure competing with Vista is a good thing ;)

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See my response here.