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Un27Pee 2009-05-30 18:23

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Quote PB : I am almost as annoying as the French, poke poke
what have the French have to do with 3.5 in screen, let us write an open letter to Nokia and Maemo team instead or who ever in charge and request some better info on the issue.

Benson 2009-05-30 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Glasswalker (Post 291790)
with all respect, but this is insane.... I don't think it ist practicable to wave the device around wich includes the screen you are using to play.....

Everybody who plays games on the iPhone/iPod Touch does that, right? In fairness, that doesn't prove it's not insane, as they did buy Apple products, but they at least seem happy with it.

Glasswalker 2009-05-30 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 292205)
Everybody who plays games on the iPhone/iPod Touch does that, right? In fairness, that doesn't prove it's not insane, as they did buy Apple products, but they at least seem happy with it.

I haven't seen jumpig and bending Iusers, I've got to admit, but I've seen lots of people touching their pods/phones in ways that would make a person living in celibate blush ;-)

OK, seriously I can't imagine I would play mobile games that are that embarrasing. BTW: How could someone controll Wesnoth, SCUMM or Mahjungg with an accelerometer?

Regards,
Glasswalker

gerbick 2009-05-30 21:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 292130)
Hey, mainstream is not the opposite of flop. In fact flop and mainstream operate on completely different planes.

I think my wording is still accurate. It's not a flop. It's not mainstream.

I'm not saying it's not successful. Nor am I saying that it's totally unsuccessful. And it's a geek's toy, but it's not ready for most people that don't even know what "root" is either; thus, not mainstream.

I'm aware of the differences therein; however not publishing something as minor as the sales - low expectations on the N800, which beat those expectations has been tossed around too.

Why low expectations? I'm quite sure the 770 didn't sell in the millions. The N800 might have broken some number that's more than 1 - that's the only guess I'll venture. But yes... I'm very aware of how "flop" and "mainstream" are separate metrics of a products perception.

As it stands, all I know is that this community, and myself, loves the NIT. Who else? And how many?

allnameswereout 2009-05-30 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 292079)
All of this is false, N810 is the best PDA I ever got ... but this is only true because of the community around Maemo.

PDA...? Yeah, best PIM ever...

Team C 2009-05-30 22:34

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There has been some talk how games will be controlled without a d-pad. Here is a good example. It is Metal Gear Solid on the Iphone. This is assuming that the N900 has a Capacitive touch screen that supports Multitouch. Which from reading this thread and it not having a D-pad suggests to me. You can skip to 2min 40 sec.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae00iK64EkU
They could also use a move able on-screen D-pad

Here is a trailer for one of the games included on the N900
"Bounce" it is controlled with the accelerometer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s81JUXd2RCc

Here is my song
"I'm so excited and I just can't hide it":D
Pointer Sisters

mullf 2009-05-30 23:05

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Instead of steering with the d-pad, just put the steering wheel on the screen!

http://images.macworld.com/images/ne...leposition.jpg

(Pole Position for the iPhone)

Laughing Man 2009-05-31 00:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mullf (Post 292251)
Instead of steering with the d-pad, just put the steering wheel on the screen!

http://images.macworld.com/images/ne...leposition.jpg

(Pole Position for the iPhone)

The only problem I've seen with most iPhones on screen controls is it means your fingers are now on the screen which

a) takes away screen real estate
b) can cover up the game (if controls are implemented poorly).

The Nintendo DS suffers from this problem occasionally.

mullf 2009-05-31 00:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 292268)
The only problem I've seen with most iPhones on screen controls is it means your fingers are now on the screen which

a) takes away screen real estate
b) can cover up the game (if controls are implemented poorly).

Yes, that was my point! ;)

totololo 2009-05-31 00:24

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On iPhone, race games uses the accelerometer quite well for direction, so you don't have always your fingers on screen ...

Laughing Man 2009-05-31 00:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by totololo (Post 292272)
On iPhone, race games uses the accelerometer quite well for direction, so you don't have always your fingers on screen ...

Yes some games do. But there's this one game my cousin has on his iPhones.. it's the kind of game you might have played back on your TI calculators where you race in narrow areas and the goal is to see how far you get before you crash. Your driving fast and you have to dodge these obstacles (in this game your just dodging a huge maze of squares).

Doesn't really work out that well in the long run with an accelerometer. But for most general purposes it seems to work.

Team C 2009-05-31 01:37

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This has been out for some time but for newer folks or those that haven't been following Maemo 5 news too closely might find some main points of what Maemo 5 is, and is not.


http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/b...e_elc_2009.pdf

sachin007 2009-05-31 01:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 292288)
This has been out for some time but for newer folks or those that haven't been following Maemo 5 news too closely might find some main points of what Maemo 5 is, and is not.


http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/b...e_elc_2009.pdf

"What maemo is and is not
• is optimized for mobile pocket size devicesMaemo
•Maemo is not for desktops
•Maemo is not for small low resolution screen mobile phones
•No stuff that wont fit in your pocket
•No need for hard disk
•No need full size keyboard
•No mouse
•No need for big heavy battery
•No need for big screen
•No stuff that spoils your internet experience
•No keyboard only navigation
•No mini siz e low resolution screen
•Not limited to one toolkit"


No need for big screen. :mad:

mullf 2009-05-31 02:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 292290)
No need for big screen. :mad:

Rat bastards form hell! :mad::mad::mad:

Firebird8 2009-05-31 02:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 292290)
"What maemo is and is not
• is optimized for mobile pocket size devicesMaemo
•Maemo is not for desktops
•Maemo is not for small low resolution screen mobile phones
•No stuff that wont fit in your pocket
•No need for hard disk
•No need full size keyboard
•No mouse
•No need for big heavy battery
•No need for big screen
•No stuff that spoils your internet experience
•No keyboard only navigation
•No mini siz e low resolution screen
•Not limited to one toolkit"


No need for big screen. :mad:

Why is maemo on beagle board then? :rolleyes:

penguinbait 2009-05-31 17:12

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cmon, I thought this thing would reach 1000 posts by tomorow :(

geneven 2009-05-31 18:32

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I'm deliberately not reviving my N800, which needs to be reflashed. And my N810 is lost in my house somewhere. I'm finding life just fine without using any Nokia products -- I have a Nokia phone and a Nokia GPS also, but I never use them.

I guess when the N900 actually comes out, I'll compare its price and features with whatever else is out there (and take into consideration that I am still stuck with my Sprint phone contract) and if buying it seems the best option, I'll buy one.

But that appears increasingly unlikely.

geneven 2009-05-31 18:43

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Someone, somewhere, posted a proposal that there be a new Internet Tablet Talk forum out there in Maemo-land.

That seemed like a pretty good idea to me, to try to preserve some of the spirit of this slowly-being-digested-by-anaconda site. Not as good an idea of a new separate ITT not associated with Maemo, but not that bad, either.

Unfortunately, I can't find that post now, and I have tried searching.

timsamoff 2009-05-31 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 292440)
Someone, somewhere, posted a proposal that there be a new Internet Tablet Talk forum out there in Maemo-land.

That seemed like a pretty good idea to me, to try to preserve some of the spirit of this slowly-being-digested-by-anaconda site. Not as good an idea of a new separate ITT not associated with Maemo, but not that bad, either.

Unfortunately, I can't find that post now, and I have tried searching.

Wrong thread for this? Anyway, was this what you are referring to?

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=102

Hardly a "proposal," so maybe there's something else?

Tim

lm2 2009-05-31 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 292440)
Someone, somewhere, posted a proposal that there be a new Internet Tablet Talk forum out there in Maemo-land.

That seemed like a pretty good idea to me, to try to preserve some of the spirit of this slowly-being-digested-by-anaconda site. Not as good an idea of a new separate ITT not associated with Maemo, but not that bad, either.

Unfortunately, I can't find that post now, and I have tried searching.

was it pb's hacker forum proposal?

geneven 2009-05-31 19:19

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Thanks, that was a good question you asked, though, but I doubt Reggie would consider it.

No, someone specifically suggested that an Internet Tablet Talk forum be established on maemo.org.

It is obvious that many of us are still interested in Internet Tablets, so it seemed like a good idea to me to make a forum dedicated to that.

I couldn't figure out the best place to post my inquiry, so I posted it here.

geneven 2009-05-31 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lm2 (Post 292453)
was it pb's hacker forum proposal?

No, but it's bigger than a breadbox!

It was not from PB.

Valad 2009-05-31 19:56

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Note: not read through the entire thread.

Not impressed by this. Don't understand why they've shrunk the screen but made the device chunkier. No directional pad. I use my n810 mainly for storing my lectures on. This screen isn't going to be big enough to read from.

I hope there's going to be a multiple devices, else it looks like I'm sticking with the n810.

Matan 2009-05-31 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Valad (Post 292458)
Note: not read through the entire thread.

Not impressed by this. Don't understand why they've shrunk the screen but made the device chunkier. No directional pad. I use my n810 mainly for storing my lectures on. This screen isn't going to be big enough to read from.

I hope there's going to be a multiple devices, else it looks like I'm sticking with the n810.

See this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=292435

A small screen is actually much more readable than a large screen. Luckily we have a few people here who are ready to teach us this new kind of physics.

trin20t 2009-05-31 20:10

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TMobile?
Ugh,there goes the tablets openness abit.
Let me guess,it's more iPhone competition.

trin20t 2009-05-31 20:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matan (Post 292461)
See this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=292435

A small screen is actually much more readable than a large screen. Luckily we have a few people here who are ready to teach us this new kind of physics.

How is reading with a smaller screen better for us whom wear glasses as it is or are older adults?
I think I'll just buy an Archos 5 from the specs I read about they'll be close enough but the Archos has a better display now.

fpp 2009-05-31 20:15

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It's called irony, yes.

johnkzin 2009-05-31 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 292454)
No, someone specifically suggested that an Internet Tablet Talk forum be established on maemo.org.

Are you sure you don't mean this exact forum, which is now part of maemo.org?

( http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums redirects you to http://talk.maemo.org )

trin20t 2009-05-31 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fpp (Post 292464)
It's called irony, yes.

Indeed it is so. Indeed it is.

geneven 2009-05-31 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 292467)
Are you sure you don't mean this exact forum, which is now part of maemo.org?

( http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums redirects you to http://talk.maemo.org )

Yes, I'm sure I don't mean that. Thanks for asking.

penguinbait 2009-06-01 00:57

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only 49 more to go ;)

I really wonder (what / where) (we / I) will be b*tching about 6 months from now?

Aisu 2009-06-01 01:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinbait (Post 292523)
only 49 more to go ;)

I really wonder (what / where) (we / I) will be b*tching about 6 months from now?

In six months? About how we are the minority in this forum...

Most people here in six months will probably be Maemo Phone users... not Internet Tablet users...

It makes me sad :(

penguinbait 2009-06-01 01:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aisu (Post 292527)
In six months? About how we are the minority in this forum...

Most people here in six months will probably be Maemo Phone users... not Internet Tablet users...

It makes me sad :(

Does this mean we will finally be in control? ;)

EIPI 2009-06-01 02:03

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I've been pondering the innovative task switcher on Maemo 5 that has not been publicized yet. Assuming that multiple Maemo 5 devices exist, each with particular strength (phone, tablet, keyboard, landscape/portrait rotation, etc) - I'm thinking the task switcher is likely some touch based gesture. For instance, 'grabbing' a corner of an active window and 'tossing' it aside, which rotates the active window to the next in line. That would make it completely hardware independant and orientation independant. Some thoughts....

trin20t 2009-06-01 02:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aisu (Post 292527)
In six months? About how we are the minority in this forum...

Most people here in six months will probably be Maemo Phone users... not Internet Tablet users...

It makes me sad :(

Count me out on the Maemo Phone. I have nice phones I just need the tablets. :)

penguinbait 2009-06-01 02:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trin20t (Post 292537)
Count me out on the Maemo Phone. I have nice phones I just need the tablets. :)

Me too, and its not a Nokia phone. I bought one of those one time, sent back with many problems, actually got a refund larger than purchase price.

penguinbait 2009-06-01 03:00

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http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2593777857.html


Maybe if the phone hooks up to these, I might give it a whirl :D:D:D

7 feet away from a 54 inch screen.

gerbick 2009-06-01 03:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matan (Post 292461)
See this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=292435

A small screen is actually much more readable than a large screen. Luckily we have a few people here who are ready to teach us this new kind of physics.

You've got to be joking.

R-R 2009-06-01 05:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aisu (Post 292527)
In six months? About how we are the minority in this forum...

Most people here in six months will probably be Maemo Phone users... not Internet Tablet users...

It makes me sad :(

Actually, as much as i hate phones, I'll be happy if i can get a FOSS based phone without having to carry 2 devices.
That will slowly allow me to develop new way to deprecate the old cell system...

Being able to work with 1 device with many different capabilities is a nice temporary patch to freeing the system, i hope... ;-)

REMFwhoopitydo 2009-06-01 11:21

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my sincere hope is that the n900 is a phone product, and that there will be an n910 with the following:

4.2" screen
full keyboard
GPS
accelerometer
option for a data plan


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