maemo.org - Talk

maemo.org - Talk (https://talk.maemo.org/index.php)
-   General (https://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   N900 specs revealed (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151)

volt 2009-06-05 22:30

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294101)
"though the buzz on the Web is on the N900 Rover tablet that's rumored to succeed the N810 Internet Tablet.

I'm starting to lose confidence in phone functionality. I've argumented that Nokia needs to fix a whole lot of stuff to be an acceptable phone. But if they did, the phone would not only be acceptable but superb when you take other things in consideration. It would outshine the N97 too much.

I don't see a trend in people selling superb equipment. It'd be too much of a leap. For such a product to work, it would have to be the most powerful phone on the market. I'm just not that optimistic.

I am starting to believe what some others here say, that it'll just be a smaller, fatter and more expensive tablet with 3G. With fewer keys. And I don't much like that vision.

At least a month till announcement? Bah!

qole 2009-06-05 22:35

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 294154)
At least a month till announcement? Bah!

Technically, the "second half of 2009" starts June 21st!

zfarooq 2009-06-05 23:14

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Volt Nokia is transitioning with Maemo in its high end handsets, whille S60 is down shifted. They have received criticism about S60 touch...and know that the N97 isnt a killer device for them, its weak HW wise and S60 is nothing to rave about.

With the announcements of the new Iphone, Palm Pre, and a Samsung behemoth coming up on the 15th of June...Nokias high end is lacking. IF they rely only on the N97 they will continue losing market share as they have been doing....they NEED something different, and explosive...and its not the N97.

They need a superb phone and position their 'internet tablet' division to take on the Iphone etc would make sense since its just evolving with added phone capabilities.

Team C 2009-06-05 23:44

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I only know about the US phone market but if the leak is correct and it is on T-mobiles US 3g bands then it would make a lot of sense. The N97, Palm Pre, iphone and many other high end all in one phones will not work on T-mobile 3g here. T-mobile would have customers switching carriers just to get this phone, just like people switch carriers to get the iphone etc. It would make T-mobile much more competitive.

Or you could buy it unlocked for the premium prices these other phones go for unlocked

lma 2009-06-06 00:08

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 294156)
Technically, the "second half of 2009" starts June 21st!

Well, "2009" starts on January 1st and "half" (365/2 days) would be July 2nd midday (but what timezone?)

qole 2009-06-06 01:10

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 294179)
Well, "2009" starts on January 1st and "half" (365/2 days) would be July 2nd midday (but what timezone?)

Meh, January 1st is a stupid day to start a year. It should start on the Winter Solstice instead.

On the other hand, the Holiday Season would be a whole lot shorter.

There should be a "12 Days of Midsummer," you know? The days from the solstice to the calendar midyear would be a non-stop party.

geneven 2009-06-06 01:51

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 294156)
Technically, the "second half of 2009" starts June 21st!

But it ends six months later. The pattern so far is that things are delayed a lot. I could be wrong, but specifying what half of the year instead of which quarter is a recipe for delaying without admitting it.

johnkzin 2009-06-06 02:03

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 294156)
Technically, the "second half of 2009" starts June 21st!

If they meant that it would be coming any time before October 1st, they would have said "3rd quarter" :-)


"second half" is corporate speak for "we didn't feel comfortable committing to 3rd quarter, but we don't want to say it'll be as late as 4th quarter either, so even though it'll be 4th quarter, we're just going to tell you 'second half'".

Laughing Man 2009-06-06 03:12

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294172)
I only know about the US phone market but if the leak is correct and it is on T-mobiles US 3g bands then it would make a lot of sense. The N97, Palm Pre, iphone and many other high end all in one phones will not work on T-mobile 3g here. T-mobile would have customers switching carriers just to get this phone, just like people switch carriers to get the iphone etc. It would make T-mobile much more competitive.

Or you could buy it unlocked for the premium prices these other phones go for unlocked

Wait they don't? I thought people got the iPhone working on TMobiles network. There was a recent snafu when TMobile changed account access though and people were locked out of their voicemail though..(but TMobile fixed it.. how nice of them).

Then there's Android phones. :D

zfarooq 2009-06-06 05:01

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
No, the Iphone can only access Tmobile Edge not 3G. Tmobile US 3G is the only kind in the world....so no 3G unless its from Tmobile.

Team C 2009-06-06 05:01

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 294210)
Wait they don't? I thought people got the iPhone working on TMobiles network. There was a recent snafu when TMobile changed account access though and people were locked out of their voicemail though..(but TMobile fixed it.. how nice of them).

Then there's Android phones. :D

They can use them on edge(slow) for internet but not on 3g. Android won't be ready for prime time until Android 2.0(donut) comes out toward the end of the year. Most manufacturers are waiting until 2.0 to release their phones. Android phones are coming out on other US carriers as well so they are not exclusive to T-mobile.

Paxicide 2009-06-06 05:15

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I think the N97 was announced in late 2008, and is just now shipping six months later. Hopefully the next maemo device doesnt use the same timeframe.

aikon800 2009-06-06 06:11

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paxicide (Post 294225)
I think the N97 was announced in late 2008, and is just now shipping six months later. Hopefully the next maemo device doesnt use the same timeframe.

...the problem here my friend is that nokia hasn't learned how to pronounce maemo yet. :)

zfarooq 2009-06-06 06:24

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Well that was with the N97, but the E75 and other phones were pretty quick.

Been awhile since we've had any high end N series announcements huh? The lackluster N86 (which was intitially called the N85 8MP, so more like an N85i) and the N97.

They need to beef up their n series portfolio for smartphones, esp since the smartphone market is the ONLY one expected to grow !

GeneralAntilles 2009-06-06 12:49

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paxicide (Post 294225)
I think the N97 was announced in late 2008, and is just now shipping six months later. Hopefully the next maemo device doesnt use the same timeframe.

They've been quite forward with their intensions to have an announcement and release quite close together.

johnkzin 2009-06-06 18:16

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294221)
Android won't be ready for prime time until Android 2.0(donut) comes out toward the end of the year.

I don't agree. Android does just fine right now.

Team C 2009-06-06 19:23

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Nokia's
Pass the Parcel game--Could this be the N900???:D
Clues so far.
1. Bluetooth
2. Memory Card
3. Data
4. Wi-Fi
5. Web
6. Camera
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/...cel/#more-8139

ARJWright 2009-06-06 19:54

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I'd hate to be the bearer of fun news but tmobile's network has never been anything to write home about in anything but prices. The only reason they aren't the smallest carrier is because sprint has fallen so hard. In other words, its a pipe dream to think that the next tablet will do more. It would need to be the morph concept to generate that kind of mainstream buzz

johnkzin 2009-06-06 20:10

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 294313)
I'd hate to be the bearer of fun news but tmobile's network has never been anything to write home about in anything but prices. The only reason they aren't the smallest carrier is because sprint has fallen so hard. In other words, its a pipe dream to think that the next tablet will do more. It would need to be the morph concept to generate that kind of mainstream buzz

By "smallest carrier", I hope you mean "smallest of the big 4". There are PLENTY of carriers in the US that are smaller than T-Mobile.

As for the rest... the Sidekick has done a fine job of finding success on T-Mobile's network. And Android hasn't been hurt by it, either. I think it depends more on what type of audience and deployment they're looking for ... and whether or not AT&T wanted an open linux device in their product line-up.

But, people do need to be aware that T-Mobile's 3G isn't yet nationwide. It's getting there, but it's still EDGE in a lot of places (I get 3G at home, EDGE at work).

johnkzin 2009-06-06 20:14

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 294219)
Tmobile US 3G is the only kind in the world....so no 3G unless its from Tmobile.

Not quite. There have been 3 different data cards out that aren't t-mobile branded, but that DO work with T-mobile. Last summer there were 2 devices that were mentioned on HowardForums, that were meant to work with a little wireless ISP in the midwest somewhere.. that happened to be T-Mobile 3G compatible (one of them was a bandrich card, one was a specialty Option card).

The third one went through FCC approval recently, and has specific support for T-Mobile 3G.

So, it's not that it has to be from T-Mobile, it just has to specifically be for T-Mobile's 3G AWS spectrum. The mis-named "North American 3G" bands aren't what T-Mobile uses for 3G.

allnameswereout 2009-06-06 21:02

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 294313)
I'd hate to be the bearer of fun news but tmobile's network has never been anything to write home about in anything but prices.

This applies world-wide?

Team C 2009-06-06 21:16

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 294313)
I'd hate to be the bearer of fun news but tmobile's network has never been anything to write home about in anything but prices.

Really? What about customer satisfaction?
http://www.t-mobile.com/Company/Comp...Abt_Tab_Awards

Of course we don't know what network the N900 will come out on and you could always get it unlocked. I personally hope it comes out on T-mobile as I will pay $75.00 for unlimited everything and they have always been a pleasure to work with.

Team C 2009-06-07 08:15

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I don't know if this vid is real but at the 3 minute mark the N900 is shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZssP1OFcQ

tissot 2009-06-07 09:28

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294393)
I don't know if this vid is real but at the 3 minute mark the N900 is shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZssP1OFcQ

Dosen't really make sense. It's from 2008 and all those phones are from 2008 and it looks N810 to me. I would be pretty sure that the video would feature 5800 and N97 not N96 and N78. Someone has just misspelled it.

VDVsx 2009-06-07 09:28

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294393)
I don't know if this vid is real but at the 3 minute mark the N900 is shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZssP1OFcQ

Don't know if this is real, but at least the n97 shown in the video, is not similar to the one that nokia is shipping right now, it's similar to a n96.

Kozzi 2009-06-07 09:42

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Team C (Post 294393)
I don't know if this vid is real but at the 3 minute mark the N900 is shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZssP1OFcQ

4 row keyboard :(

johnkzin 2009-06-07 11:51

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
looks like an N810 to me...

debernardis 2009-06-07 13:23

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
5 Attachment(s)
This is not an n810, this is what the n900 was planned to be (last year) before it was decided that was better to be a phone. Imho :D

nilchak 2009-06-07 13:36

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
That does look a lot like the N810 - except from the side view - its different in the sence all the speaker grills, headphone jack, power charge and the USB ports don't match up to the N810. I guess they wanted to make a successor to the N810 till they decided they wanted a phone too..... which would of course change all the design decisions.

qgil 2009-06-07 14:18

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
I haven't seen the whole video and it's the first time I see this, so I have the same info than you. The guy in the Spanish intro says that these were experimental videos done by young artists with low budget and inventing the names of the products.

You invented the term "N900" last year in these forums and a young filmmaker had done the same perhaps even earlier.

None of this has anything to do with real products though.

YoDude 2009-06-07 14:44

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 294154)
I'm starting to lose confidence in phone functionality. I've argumented that Nokia needs to fix a whole lot of stuff to be an acceptable phone. But if they did, the phone would not only be acceptable but superb when you take other things in consideration. It would outshine the N97 too much.

I don't see a trend in people selling superb equipment. It'd be too much of a leap. For such a product to work, it would have to be the most powerful phone on the market. I'm just not that optimistic.

I am starting to believe what some others here say, that it'll just be a smaller, fatter and more expensive tablet with 3G. With fewer keys. And I don't much like that vision.

At least a month till announcement? Bah!

Yup, I couldn't understand on what basis did people believe the upcoming device was to be a traditional voice phone?

This article[/URL] dated less than a month ago stated:

Quote:

...The new Maemo 5 release, currently in alpha, is adding 3G cellular modem capability. However, cellular voice capability appears to be under consideration for a future version...
BTW, the person who is responsible for Nokia's Linux and open source based software and strategy, Ari Jaaski points to ^that article in a recent blog entry. :)

sachin007 2009-06-07 15:22

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qgil (Post 294444)
I haven't seen the whole video and it's the first time I see this, so I have the same info than you. The guy in the Spanish intro says that these were experimental videos done by young artists with low budget and inventing the names of the products.

You invented the term "N900" last year in these forums and a young filmmaker had done the same perhaps even earlier.

None of this has anything to do with real products though.

Quim thank you for that information. Can you similarly comment on the n900 rumours according to the OP as cited in mobile crunch?

tissot 2009-06-07 16:02

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 294452)
Yup, I couldn't understand on what basis did people believe the upcoming device was to be a traditional voice phone?

This article[/URL] dated less than a month ago stated:


BTW, the person who is responsible for Nokia's Linux and open source based software and strategy, Ari Jaaski points to ^that article in a recent blog entry. :)

It has been made pretty clear that Maemos future will be in phones, but like you i don't get many of Nokias decisions if N900 is not a phone.
N97 would still be different product because of s60. S60 is safe buy for many while N900 might look weird for many traditional Nokia buyers. I got pretty good feeling that Maemo will look great reading comments from here and from mobile-reviews Eldar and that might be it's strong point, but we will see :)

Glasswalker 2009-06-07 16:23

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 293918)
Then supply something that's better adopted.

just one word: amarok

Regards,
Glasswalker

gerbick 2009-06-07 16:38

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Glasswalker (Post 294464)
just one word: amarok

With some polish, that seriously is a good contender.

However, it doesn't come from Nokia, there's no hooks into Nokia's music store (yet) and it's not as adopted as iTunes.

But that's some good software indeed. Hope Nokia packages it.

YoDude 2009-06-07 17:05

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 294461)
It has been made pretty clear that Maemos future will be in phones, but like you i don't get many of Nokias decisions if N900 is not a phone.
N97 would still be different product because of s60. S60 is safe buy for many while N900 might look weird for many traditional Nokia buyers. I got pretty good feeling that Maemo will look great reading comments from here and from mobile-reviews Eldar and that might be it's strong point, but we will see :)


No, but I do understand Nokia's decisions with respect to Maemo... The Exec. VP of the Fightin' Fish his own self said that when the N810 was released that it was step 3 in a 5 step road-map for Maemo.


That would make this next device step 4. If step 4 was a phone, what would be left for step 5; a dang nuclear reactor? :p

What I still don't understand is the pages of posts comparing the new device to full up voice phones. :)

attila77 2009-06-07 18:01

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Bottom line - from a hardware standpoint it IS a phone, no matter what you call it in the end.

With the 770 and N8x00 it was a different story (larger screen, no GSM radio).

attila77 2009-06-07 18:03

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 294467)
With some polish, that seriously is a good contender.
But that's some good software indeed. Hope Nokia packages it.

Amarok is unfortunately MASSIVE in terms on requirements, you won't be seeing it on mobile devices unless somebody does some serious slimming on it.

VDVsx 2009-06-07 18:06

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
The press just catch the last ITT rumors :mad: : http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/0...-presentation/

JayOnThaBeat 2009-06-07 18:12

Re: N900 specs revealed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 293105)
While I enjoyed your notion of a model N900-O for old people, and I realize that not every "disability" can be catered to by a commercial enterprise, 60% of Americans are farsighted. (Since I haven't read that fast-food or gasoline-guzzling are causes of farsightedness, I would suppose that this figure is more-or-less accurate worldwide or at least in Europe, as well.)

Yes, I wear glasses, I went to my optometrist last month, but that isn't the cure-all you seem to think it is. (And my eyes aren't that bad, first requiring reading glasses at the ripe age of 29.) So drop this line of argument already, especially as (A) nobody is saying Don't make a 3.5" cellphone; they (we) are just saying, Make a bigger-screened tablet, too; and (B) there are more of us than there are of you!

(The way some of you are talking you would think that a person could see a paramecium on a glass slide if he just held it close enough to his eye!)

Thats very interesting, 60% of my family is myopic!


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:18.

vBulletin® Version 3.8.8